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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:29 AM
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22. But the problem is that is not empirical evidence of fraud...
The fact of the matter is, empirical evidence probably cannot be generated at this point. You are speculating and extrapolating from suspicious activity. It may be suspicious (I admit that, but I do not know anything).
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  -Leak Of Count of Iranian Votes Has Ahmadi-nejad In THIRD PLACE WeDidIt  Jun-14-09 09:04 AM   #0 
  - Who are "inside Government Officials"?  Oregone   Jun-14-09 09:08 AM   #1 
  - Because this has gone counter to all prior Iranian presidential elections  WeDidIt   Jun-14-09 09:13 AM   #4 
  - "The Ayatollah has never before validated the votes on the night of the election"  Oregone   Jun-14-09 09:16 AM   #7 
  - is it a "coup" when the person/party already in charge fixes an election...?  dysfunctional press   Jun-14-09 09:59 AM   #13 
  - Eh?  BeFree   Jun-14-09 09:14 AM   #6 
  - "We pretty much know"  Oregone   Jun-14-09 09:17 AM   #8 
  - Go. Read.  BeFree   Jun-14-09 09:31 AM   #10 
     - yawn  Oregone   Jun-14-09 09:34 AM   #11 
        - Heh  BeFree   Jun-14-09 09:57 AM   #12 
           - No, what I meant is...  Oregone   Jun-14-09 09:59 AM   #14 
              - Well  BeFree   Jun-14-09 10:09 AM   #15 
                 - I know enough about it to leave the country  Oregone   Jun-14-09 10:13 AM   #16 
                    - So  BeFree   Jun-14-09 10:16 AM   #17 
                       - "Lets see your facts that the Iranian election was not stolen"  Oregone   Jun-14-09 10:19 AM   #18 
                          - Eh?  BeFree   Jun-14-09 10:23 AM   #19 
                          - "Unfounded personal attacks are how you argue?"  Oregone   Jun-14-09 10:25 AM   #20 
                          - ya know, if it was JUST people here stating it was a 'coup' I would agree  angstlessk   Jun-14-09 10:26 AM   #21 
                             - But the problem is that is not empirical evidence of fraud...  Oregone   Jun-14-09 10:29 AM   #22 
                                - exit polling  Juche   Jun-14-09 11:01 AM   #29 
                                - "Exit polls are a good way to detect fraud."  Oregone   Jun-14-09 11:04 AM   #30 
                                   - Is that you, Ahmadinejad, seems the only people who are claiming no fraud  angstlessk   Jun-14-09 11:21 AM   #37 
                                      - Strawman. Im not claiming there is no fraud.  Oregone   Jun-14-09 11:22 AM   #38 
                                         - nobody "knows" for sure, but the empirical evidence points to fraud  northernlights   Jun-14-09 12:18 PM   #46 
                                - "Biden has doubts about Iran's presidential election."  Doremus   Jun-14-09 11:10 AM   #34 
                                   - Haha  Oregone   Jun-14-09 11:14 AM   #36 
                                      - Breaking: Oregone considers Ahmadinejad and the Clerics more credible than the vice president.  Doremus   Jun-14-09 11:29 AM   #39 
                                      - I dont consider anyone talking about this thing as credible  Oregone   Jun-14-09 11:32 AM   #41 
                                      - Oops, someone else who doesn't know what they're talking about. A senator this time.  Doremus   Jun-14-09 01:05 PM   #54 
                                         - Fallacy: Argument from Authority  Oregone   Jun-14-09 01:15 PM   #56 
                                      - Always fascinating the way some folks feel the need to mischaracterize  jberryhill   Jun-14-09 02:21 PM   #59 
                                         - Huh?  Oregone   Jun-14-09 07:37 PM   #60 
                                      - YOU clearly have a stake in the outcome of this election..you got money on the  angstlessk   Jun-14-09 11:31 AM   #40 
                                         - I took all my money out of Google, Inc to bet on the Iranian election.  Oregone   Jun-14-09 11:35 AM   #42 
                                            - as with the ilk of folks just like you...you cannot leave unless you have the last word. n/t  angstlessk   Jun-14-09 11:42 AM   #43 
                                               - My "ilk" doesn't like being accused falsely of having a conflict of interest,  Oregone   Jun-14-09 11:45 AM   #44 
  - Worse than what Bush did.  chrisa   Jun-14-09 11:08 AM   #33 
  - Thank you for being a voice of reason on this thread.  scarletwoman   Jun-14-09 12:16 PM   #45 
     - "I think the Iranians DID want to re-elect him"  Oregone   Jun-14-09 12:26 PM   #47 
     - and how about the mullahs who have resigned in protest  northernlights   Jun-14-09 12:38 PM   #50 
     - And the ones who haven't?  Oregone   Jun-14-09 12:51 PM   #52 
     - There are factions among the ruling clerics and power struggles going on that NO ONE here  scarletwoman   Jun-14-09 01:14 PM   #55 
     - I think the Iranian ex-pats you talk to are in much the same position as the Venezuelan ex-pats  scarletwoman   Jun-14-09 12:56 PM   #53 
     - as we the people learned back in '04  northernlights   Jun-14-09 12:28 PM   #48 
        - But considering the "impossible election results" alone...  Oregone   Jun-14-09 12:36 PM   #49 
        - From one of the comments on Juan Cole's site:  scarletwoman   Jun-14-09 01:24 PM   #57 
        - Who decides what's "stastically impossible"? If you look at a graph of the Obama election results,  scarletwoman   Jun-14-09 12:42 PM   #51 
  - That looks really unlikely to me  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-14-09 09:11 AM   #2 
  - Oh come on! "Inside government officials" wouldn't lie  Oregone   Jun-14-09 09:18 AM   #9 
     - you mean like the 'winner' (have no idea how to spell Amaj..)is not lying you just assume the person  angstlessk   Jun-14-09 10:39 AM   #24 
        - I "assume" nothing  Oregone   Jun-14-09 10:55 AM   #25 
           - You certainly would not make a good investigator...since you reqire empirical  angstlessk   Jun-14-09 10:57 AM   #26 
              - Everyone can discuss whatever they want  Oregone   Jun-14-09 10:59 AM   #27 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-14-09 11:04 AM   #31 
                    - Yeah, how about that, eh?  Oregone   Jun-14-09 11:06 AM   #32 
  - Yep and Iraq had WMDs n/t  malaise   Jun-14-09 09:11 AM   #3 
  - scratch this.  janx   Jun-14-09 09:13 AM   #5 
  - That looks even more surreal than the official results  HarvardMed   Jun-14-09 10:38 AM   #23 
  - Good point, but recall...  anigbrowl   Jun-14-09 01:40 PM   #58 
  - This is exactly what Bush did in 2000. Ahmadi-nejad must have studied Florida.  Joanne98   Jun-14-09 11:00 AM   #28 
  - Oh, is that our boogie man this week?  tjwash   Jun-14-09 11:10 AM   #35 
 

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