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Fri Jun-12-09 12:11 PM
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| 120. no, thats crap. no one is defending the ruling. what people are rightly pissed about, |
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Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 12:34 PM by dionysus
first of all, is the headline, which is a lie.
it's cleary phrased to make it look like obama personally wrote the ruling
second, the people who clearly had no use for obama in the first place, are going to find every single thing they can to complain about, and be like "well, since the buck stops with obama ,everything that happens across the entire government that i don't like i can blame him personally for!!! YES!!!!"
if a mailman ran over a dog somewhere, the buck would stop with obama for many people here.
it's the new trend in fashionable outrage.
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| -Obama defends DOMA in federal court. Says banning gay marriage is good for the federal budget. |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 09:19 AM |
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Fierce Advocate |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-12-09 09:22 AM |
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So.... Obama wrote that motion to dismiss? |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 09:24 AM |
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What a weak obsfucation. Is that the best you've got?? nt |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 09:26 AM |
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It's a question... the wording there implies it was, and I was curious. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 09:56 AM |
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Maybe I should have written "what a stupid question! " nt |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 10:13 AM |
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Here's a simple request |
subsuelo |
Jun-12-09 12:20 PM |
#124 |
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You were obfuscating, actually. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 02:21 PM |
#145 |
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Yes he did |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 09:30 AM |
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I thought someone at the DoJ might have written it, yeah. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 09:57 AM |
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"Respondeat superior" |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 10:01 AM |
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Understood... |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:06 AM |
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I didn't build my car but it is still mine |
dsc |
Jun-12-09 10:11 AM |
#36 |
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Please stop being so cute |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:08 AM |
#32 |
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That's not the way the Office of Solicitor General works |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 11:58 AM |
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It's only drama |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 10:25 AM |
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I'm not calling the issue itself drama. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:28 AM |
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Just the people who it affects. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 10:55 AM |
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You can't call people 'drama'. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:59 AM |
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Yes, calling reactions "drama" is actually being dismissive of an issue. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 02:29 PM |
#146 |
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You love to parse words. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 03:46 PM |
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No, I just love words full stop. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 05:07 PM |
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We understand. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 05:21 PM |
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Yep. I figured as much. Enjoy the slap-fighting. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 05:27 PM |
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Keep up the innuendos. They go with your snark festival. nt |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 06:38 PM |
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Excellent -- +1 |
LostinVA |
Jun-12-09 10:37 AM |
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Well, gee, my stepdaughter and her girlfriend are getting married this summer... |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 11:47 AM |
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Congrats to the newlyweds. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 03:57 PM |
#158 |
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I do understand the anger |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 07:20 PM |
#169 |
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So because bush fired lawyers, |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 07:49 PM |
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"you want the administration to support and aid continuation of DOMA?" |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 09:12 PM |
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Sorry, |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 11:42 PM |
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"obscene reasoning" |
jberryhill |
Jun-14-09 11:25 AM |
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+1 |
Bluebear |
Jun-12-09 03:41 PM |
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Do you think Obama is in charge or not? |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-12-09 09:46 AM |
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It's a very simple question. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 09:59 AM |
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Please read this carefully |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:11 AM |
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Can you remind me what your position was on the Bush DoJ prosecutor firings? |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:24 AM |
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Bush DoJ prosecutors were fired for refusing to prosecute politically motivated, weak cases. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 02:41 PM |
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I've already answered that |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 07:28 PM |
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"or have someone read it to you" |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
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they get all pissy when you get in front of their daily outrage.... |
dionysus |
Jun-12-09 12:07 PM |
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He's only responsible for the good things. When bad things happen, |
QC |
Jun-12-09 10:00 AM |
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LOL |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:03 AM |
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"... words into other people's mouths." |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 02:52 PM |
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Does the term "Saturday Night Massacre" ring any bells with you? /nt |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:36 AM |
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"Saturday Night Massacre" will be relevant on the day that there's an investigation of Obama. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 02:55 PM |
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Uh, the relevance is.. |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 07:22 PM |
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Delete. dup post |
mnhtnbb |
Jun-12-09 09:25 AM |
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OMG. Try changing the language to extending the right to vote to African Americans |
mnhtnbb |
Jun-12-09 09:26 AM |
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Yep here it would be in all it's bigoted glory |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 09:50 AM |
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Jesse Helms nothing... this was Michael Steele's argument !!!! |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 03:00 PM |
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O...M...G! Fucking asshole bastards. |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 09:26 AM |
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Not sure - but don't they have to defend any law? |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 09:31 AM |
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Short answer: No. |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 09:34 AM |
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But surely this must be some kind of triple reverse Mr. Spock 300-dimensional chess strategy |
QC |
Jun-12-09 09:40 AM |
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won't be long before someone comes on and asks |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 09:42 AM |
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Actually, I think the DOJ response is sickening |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 09:55 AM |
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No, they do not have to. |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 10:09 AM |
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Bush, Clinton, and Reagan all opposed existing federal law in court n/t |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:36 AM |
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But it's part of the chess game! Shut up and go look at some picture threads! I hear today's is |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
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Is Bo in the garden with him? Are they eating ice cream? n/t |
QC |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
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They're splitting a cupcake. It has cute little sprinkles on it. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:40 AM |
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Well, I certainly hope they aren't *pink* sprinkles! n/t |
QC |
Jun-12-09 10:49 AM |
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They're black, like the tire treads left on millions of people. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:50 AM |
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That's a relief. Wouldn't be good to be seen with a girly cupcake. n/t |
QC |
Jun-12-09 12:54 PM |
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I thought today |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:40 AM |
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No. They choose which cases to defend. |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 09:35 AM |
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So the DOJ mining case, torture pics, etc |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 09:46 AM |
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Sure. If they had to defend cases to the bitter end, they could never settle cases. |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 10:00 AM |
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That's not my legal question |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 10:07 AM |
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No, it's not better for a judge to decide. It's a waste of judicial resources... |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 10:17 AM |
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If you want the law to be respected |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 10:25 AM |
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The issue that's being confused here |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:28 AM |
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That's the legal basis of my question |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 10:38 AM |
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Well, there's that |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 11:45 AM |
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I think you're falsely assuming that the DoJ must defend a case for a judge to hear it. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 03:16 PM |
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I'm not assuming anything, hence the question marks |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 03:37 PM |
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The criminal division and the Office of Solicitor General have two different functions |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 07:31 PM |
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You're talking here about a "settlement" of the constitutionality of an act of Congress |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:30 AM |
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I hope someone addresses the points you've raised. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:36 AM |
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Jerry Brown is still AG of California despite not having defended prop 8 |
dsc |
Jun-12-09 11:09 AM |
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Okay. Originally he thought he had to though, right? |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 11:19 AM |
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they often do but this writ is particularly egregious |
dsc |
Jun-12-09 11:22 AM |
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I'm not arguing that at all |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 11:31 AM |
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Prop 8, after the vote, was a proposed amendment, and not an enacted one |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 11:30 AM |
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that is baldly false |
dsc |
Jun-12-09 12:17 PM |
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The challenge was to whether it was properly enacted.... |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 12:24 PM |
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Unless you can point to a Constitutional provision or even a statutue... |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 10:56 AM |
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Apples and Oranges |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 11:42 AM |
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Correct |
LostinVA |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
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The only interest Congress expressed with DOMA was its interest to discriminate... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jun-12-09 09:41 AM |
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Uh, pardon me, but that's not a rationalization. It's a question. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:02 AM |
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Okay, understood. As a snarky person myself I can appreciate it as a question... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jun-12-09 10:18 AM |
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+1 |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 10:25 AM |
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I just can't wait till it's all settled and done with. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:35 AM |
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I can't wait until it's all over as well... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jun-12-09 10:41 AM |
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Heh, way to tell me I look like an ass |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:43 AM |
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The statement was an honest self-observation... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jun-12-09 10:57 AM |
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Throw in the pony and a chess set, and I think you've pretty much covered them all, Jeffrey |
RufusTFirefly |
Jun-12-09 10:38 AM |
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In his defense, he can't seem to remember what he promised |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:48 AM |
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You forgot the one where anyone who thinks this action by the DOJ is wrong |
dflprincess |
Jun-12-09 12:13 PM |
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Well, they are absolutely correct about saving money |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 09:49 AM |
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ditto on that! nt |
Mari333 |
Jun-12-09 10:45 AM |
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K&R |
Solly Mack |
Jun-12-09 09:56 AM |
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Well, I guess you folks didn't listen to what he said on the campaign trail |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:06 AM |
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+1 Seeing his exact words (and the 180 he made since getting elected) makes it so much worse. n/t |
Statistical |
Jun-12-09 10:21 AM |
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Americablog has updated with more portions of the document. It gets worse... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jun-12-09 10:08 AM |
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I feel like I did election night when Prop 8 passed. Like a kick in the stomach. |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 10:19 AM |
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"It flies right in the face of Loving vs. Virginia." |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:26 AM |
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McClurkin was no fluke. |
Forkboy |
Jun-12-09 10:09 AM |
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But it's just one song -- it's just a two minute prayer -- it's just . . . . |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:37 AM |
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...a pattern. |
Forkboy |
Jun-12-09 10:38 AM |
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That's the word I was trying to think of |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:42 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-12-09 10:14 AM |
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Exactly which person in the administration do you wish to see "bleed"? /nt |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:33 AM |
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I roundly condemn this post and all like them that advocate violence as retribution |
RufusTFirefly |
Jun-12-09 10:40 AM |
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I'll take #3 for $200, Alex. |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:43 AM |
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This is disgusting. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-12-09 10:15 AM |
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You're a good egg and a terrific ally |
LostinVA |
Jun-12-09 10:40 AM |
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. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-12-09 10:51 AM |
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Obama is a BIGOT and a LIAR. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:28 AM |
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deleted |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:30 AM |
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Indefensible. nt |
glitch |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
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you can trust that many DUers ARE defending this. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
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Where? (nt) |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:40 AM |
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Mirror -- look n/t |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:41 AM |
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and the threads in GD:P will pop up soon. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:42 AM |
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I thought that after the election |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:45 AM |
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Words -- read. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:43 AM |
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That doesn't make it defensible. |
glitch |
Jun-12-09 11:09 AM |
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Exactly. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 11:21 AM |
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...attempting to defend this - and failing miserably! |
Individualist |
Jun-12-09 11:48 AM |
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no, thats crap. no one is defending the ruling. what people are rightly pissed about, |
dionysus |
Jun-12-09 12:11 PM |
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A little honesty. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 03:43 PM |
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kick , outraged. nt |
Mari333 |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
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If they really want to "preserve scarce government resources" |
magellan |
Jun-12-09 10:45 AM |
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+1 |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:48 AM |
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+2 |
Mari333 |
Jun-12-09 10:52 AM |
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+3 |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:53 AM |
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+4 |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-12-09 11:02 AM |
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+5 |
dflprincess |
Jun-12-09 12:17 PM |
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+6 |
Libertyfirst |
Jun-12-09 12:48 PM |
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+7 |
leftstreet |
Jun-12-09 02:04 PM |
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+8 |
readmoreoften |
Jun-12-09 02:18 PM |
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+9 |
chatnoir |
Jun-12-09 05:23 PM |
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+1000 |
TheWatcher |
Jun-12-09 09:27 PM |
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This wouldn't suprise me at all ... |
Statistical |
Jun-12-09 10:52 AM |
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What is amazing |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:53 AM |
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Any threat to Obama's infallibility here is quickly quashed. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:54 AM |
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What's even more amazing is |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 11:07 AM |
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double standards....gotta love 'em. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 11:13 AM |
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If the brief attacked DOMA |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 11:46 AM |
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Really? Was Gerry Brown disbarred from opposing Prop H8? |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 01:19 PM |
#133 |
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Comments on Brown above in the thread.... |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 01:24 PM |
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Comments on Brown above in the thread |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 01:24 PM |
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The fact remains |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 01:30 PM |
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These were appeals, |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 02:10 PM |
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Ah crap. I got sucked in by that in another thread. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 05:19 PM |
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Better Update Your Understanding Of Jerry Brown |
jberryhill |
Jun-14-09 11:29 AM |
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Pony...weren't paying attention in the primaries...3d Vulcan chess, etc. ad nauseum. nt |
Romulox |
Jun-12-09 10:59 AM |
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k |
Mari333 |
Jun-12-09 11:01 AM |
#100 |
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You forgot "I trust and have faith in him" and "he's smarter than me" |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-12-09 07:36 PM |
#173 |
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And "he's the smartest motherfucker in the room!" |
QC |
Jun-14-09 12:43 PM |
#184 |
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Now batting for Rick Santorum -- Barack Obama |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 11:08 AM |
#103 |
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please read an article that doesn't spin this |
OKNancy |
Jun-12-09 12:04 PM |
#118 |
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this thread is all about pushing the spin, to gin up some outrage. |
dionysus |
Jun-12-09 12:41 PM |
#126 |
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Sure, along with |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 03:15 PM |
#152 |
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please read the brief itself |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 01:18 PM |
#132 |
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+1 /nt |
readmoreoften |
Jun-12-09 02:20 PM |
#143 |
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Obama has always opposed gay marriage. That is a fact. He |
Libertyfirst |
Jun-12-09 12:45 PM |
#127 |
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Thing is some people thought he was lying about that, because he also had them convinced he was |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 01:06 PM |
#130 |
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He promised to work to repeal DOMA -- he lied |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 01:17 PM |
#131 |
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The Office of Solicitor General Cannot "Repeal" A Damned Thing /nt |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 01:28 PM |
#136 |
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I've got to give you credit |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 01:32 PM |
#138 |
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And what would that "lost cause" be? |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 02:20 PM |
#144 |
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All the things you mention seem like lost causes right about now |
Bluebear |
Jun-12-09 03:07 PM |
#151 |
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Based on very recent, and very rapid, trends, I disagree |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 05:43 PM |
#165 |
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Holy fucking shit |
Veruca Salt |
Jun-12-09 02:01 PM |
#139 |
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The brief also compared same sex marriage to incest, and the brief was written by an LDS |
LostinVA |
Jun-12-09 05:08 PM |
#160 |
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That frikkin figures! |
Veruca Salt |
Jun-12-09 06:23 PM |
#167 |
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"... in the absence of a new law, the government is duty-bound to enforce the laws of the land..." |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-12-09 05:49 PM |
#166 |
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Laurence Tribe on the DOMA brief |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-12-09 08:17 PM |
#175 |
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Its all about money with this guy... |
Jack_DeLeon |
Jun-12-09 11:54 PM |
#179 |
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Lead name on brief and assistant Atty. General hand picked. |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-13-09 12:55 AM |
#180 |
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Um, Obama is NOT defending DOMA. By law, the DoJ does NOT communicate w/Pres. Obama on cases. |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-13-09 08:34 AM |
#181 |
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