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Fri Jun-12-09 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #72 |
| -Obama defends DOMA in federal court. Says banning gay marriage is good for the federal budget. |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 09:19 AM |
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Fierce Advocate |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-12-09 09:22 AM |
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So.... Obama wrote that motion to dismiss? |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 09:24 AM |
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What a weak obsfucation. Is that the best you've got?? nt |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 09:26 AM |
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It's a question... the wording there implies it was, and I was curious. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 09:56 AM |
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Maybe I should have written "what a stupid question! " nt |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 10:13 AM |
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Here's a simple request |
subsuelo |
Jun-12-09 12:20 PM |
#124 |
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You were obfuscating, actually. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 02:21 PM |
#145 |
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Yes he did |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 09:30 AM |
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I thought someone at the DoJ might have written it, yeah. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 09:57 AM |
#21 |
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"Respondeat superior" |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 10:01 AM |
#25 |
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Understood... |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:06 AM |
#29 |
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I didn't build my car but it is still mine |
dsc |
Jun-12-09 10:11 AM |
#36 |
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Please stop being so cute |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:08 AM |
#32 |
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That's not the way the Office of Solicitor General works |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 11:58 AM |
#117 |
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It's only drama |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 10:25 AM |
#46 |
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I'm not calling the issue itself drama. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:28 AM |
#51 |
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Just the people who it affects. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 10:55 AM |
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You can't call people 'drama'. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:59 AM |
#98 |
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Yes, calling reactions "drama" is actually being dismissive of an issue. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 02:29 PM |
#146 |
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You love to parse words. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 03:46 PM |
#157 |
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No, I just love words full stop. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 05:07 PM |
#159 |
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We understand. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 05:21 PM |
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Yep. I figured as much. Enjoy the slap-fighting. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 05:27 PM |
#164 |
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Keep up the innuendos. They go with your snark festival. nt |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 06:38 PM |
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Excellent -- +1 |
LostinVA |
Jun-12-09 10:37 AM |
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Well, gee, my stepdaughter and her girlfriend are getting married this summer... |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 11:47 AM |
#115 |
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Congrats to the newlyweds. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 03:57 PM |
#158 |
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I do understand the anger |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 07:20 PM |
#169 |
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So because bush fired lawyers, |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 07:49 PM |
#174 |
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"you want the administration to support and aid continuation of DOMA?" |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 09:12 PM |
#176 |
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Sorry, |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 11:42 PM |
#178 |
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"obscene reasoning" |
jberryhill |
Jun-14-09 11:25 AM |
#182 |
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+1 |
Bluebear |
Jun-12-09 03:41 PM |
#155 |
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Do you think Obama is in charge or not? |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-12-09 09:46 AM |
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It's a very simple question. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 09:59 AM |
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Please read this carefully |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:11 AM |
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Can you remind me what your position was on the Bush DoJ prosecutor firings? |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:24 AM |
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Bush DoJ prosecutors were fired for refusing to prosecute politically motivated, weak cases. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 02:41 PM |
#147 |
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I've already answered that |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 07:28 PM |
#171 |
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"or have someone read it to you" |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
#66 |
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they get all pissy when you get in front of their daily outrage.... |
dionysus |
Jun-12-09 12:07 PM |
#119 |
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He's only responsible for the good things. When bad things happen, |
QC |
Jun-12-09 10:00 AM |
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LOL |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:03 AM |
#27 |
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"... words into other people's mouths." |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 02:52 PM |
#148 |
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Does the term "Saturday Night Massacre" ring any bells with you? /nt |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:36 AM |
#57 |
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"Saturday Night Massacre" will be relevant on the day that there's an investigation of Obama. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 02:55 PM |
#149 |
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Uh, the relevance is.. |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 07:22 PM |
#170 |
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Delete. dup post |
mnhtnbb |
Jun-12-09 09:25 AM |
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OMG. Try changing the language to extending the right to vote to African Americans |
mnhtnbb |
Jun-12-09 09:26 AM |
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Yep here it would be in all it's bigoted glory |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 09:50 AM |
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Jesse Helms nothing... this was Michael Steele's argument !!!! |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 03:00 PM |
#150 |
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O...M...G! Fucking asshole bastards. |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 09:26 AM |
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Not sure - but don't they have to defend any law? |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 09:31 AM |
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Short answer: No. |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 09:34 AM |
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But surely this must be some kind of triple reverse Mr. Spock 300-dimensional chess strategy |
QC |
Jun-12-09 09:40 AM |
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won't be long before someone comes on and asks |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 09:42 AM |
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Actually, I think the DOJ response is sickening |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 09:55 AM |
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No, they do not have to. |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 10:09 AM |
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Bush, Clinton, and Reagan all opposed existing federal law in court n/t |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:36 AM |
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But it's part of the chess game! Shut up and go look at some picture threads! I hear today's is |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
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Is Bo in the garden with him? Are they eating ice cream? n/t |
QC |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
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They're splitting a cupcake. It has cute little sprinkles on it. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:40 AM |
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Well, I certainly hope they aren't *pink* sprinkles! n/t |
QC |
Jun-12-09 10:49 AM |
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They're black, like the tire treads left on millions of people. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:50 AM |
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That's a relief. Wouldn't be good to be seen with a girly cupcake. n/t |
QC |
Jun-12-09 12:54 PM |
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I thought today |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:40 AM |
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No. They choose which cases to defend. |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 09:35 AM |
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So the DOJ mining case, torture pics, etc |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 09:46 AM |
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Sure. If they had to defend cases to the bitter end, they could never settle cases. |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 10:00 AM |
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That's not my legal question |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 10:07 AM |
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No, it's not better for a judge to decide. It's a waste of judicial resources... |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 10:17 AM |
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If you want the law to be respected |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 10:25 AM |
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The issue that's being confused here |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:28 AM |
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That's the legal basis of my question |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 10:38 AM |
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Well, there's that |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 11:45 AM |
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I think you're falsely assuming that the DoJ must defend a case for a judge to hear it. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-12-09 03:16 PM |
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I'm not assuming anything, hence the question marks |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 03:37 PM |
#154 |
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The criminal division and the Office of Solicitor General have two different functions |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 07:31 PM |
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You're talking here about a "settlement" of the constitutionality of an act of Congress |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:30 AM |
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I hope someone addresses the points you've raised. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:36 AM |
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Jerry Brown is still AG of California despite not having defended prop 8 |
dsc |
Jun-12-09 11:09 AM |
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Okay. Originally he thought he had to though, right? |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 11:19 AM |
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they often do but this writ is particularly egregious |
dsc |
Jun-12-09 11:22 AM |
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I'm not arguing that at all |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 11:31 AM |
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Prop 8, after the vote, was a proposed amendment, and not an enacted one |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 11:30 AM |
#110 |
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that is baldly false |
dsc |
Jun-12-09 12:17 PM |
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The challenge was to whether it was properly enacted.... |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 12:24 PM |
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Unless you can point to a Constitutional provision or even a statutue... |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 10:56 AM |
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Apples and Oranges |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 11:42 AM |
#112 |
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Correct |
LostinVA |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
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The only interest Congress expressed with DOMA was its interest to discriminate... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jun-12-09 09:41 AM |
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Uh, pardon me, but that's not a rationalization. It's a question. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:02 AM |
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Okay, understood. As a snarky person myself I can appreciate it as a question... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jun-12-09 10:18 AM |
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+1 |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 10:25 AM |
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I just can't wait till it's all settled and done with. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:35 AM |
#55 |
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I can't wait until it's all over as well... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jun-12-09 10:41 AM |
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Heh, way to tell me I look like an ass |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:43 AM |
#79 |
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The statement was an honest self-observation... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jun-12-09 10:57 AM |
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Throw in the pony and a chess set, and I think you've pretty much covered them all, Jeffrey |
RufusTFirefly |
Jun-12-09 10:38 AM |
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In his defense, he can't seem to remember what he promised |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:48 AM |
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You forgot the one where anyone who thinks this action by the DOJ is wrong |
dflprincess |
Jun-12-09 12:13 PM |
#121 |
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Well, they are absolutely correct about saving money |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 09:49 AM |
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ditto on that! nt |
Mari333 |
Jun-12-09 10:45 AM |
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K&R |
Solly Mack |
Jun-12-09 09:56 AM |
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Well, I guess you folks didn't listen to what he said on the campaign trail |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:06 AM |
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+1 Seeing his exact words (and the 180 he made since getting elected) makes it so much worse. n/t |
Statistical |
Jun-12-09 10:21 AM |
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Americablog has updated with more portions of the document. It gets worse... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jun-12-09 10:08 AM |
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I feel like I did election night when Prop 8 passed. Like a kick in the stomach. |
GodlessBiker |
Jun-12-09 10:19 AM |
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"It flies right in the face of Loving vs. Virginia." |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:26 AM |
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McClurkin was no fluke. |
Forkboy |
Jun-12-09 10:09 AM |
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But it's just one song -- it's just a two minute prayer -- it's just . . . . |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:37 AM |
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...a pattern. |
Forkboy |
Jun-12-09 10:38 AM |
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That's the word I was trying to think of |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:42 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-12-09 10:14 AM |
#38 |
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Exactly which person in the administration do you wish to see "bleed"? /nt |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 10:33 AM |
#54 |
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I roundly condemn this post and all like them that advocate violence as retribution |
RufusTFirefly |
Jun-12-09 10:40 AM |
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I'll take #3 for $200, Alex. |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:43 AM |
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This is disgusting. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-12-09 10:15 AM |
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You're a good egg and a terrific ally |
LostinVA |
Jun-12-09 10:40 AM |
#72 |
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. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-12-09 10:51 AM |
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Obama is a BIGOT and a LIAR. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:28 AM |
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deleted |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:30 AM |
#53 |
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Indefensible. nt |
glitch |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
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you can trust that many DUers ARE defending this. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
#69 |
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Where? (nt) |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:40 AM |
#74 |
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Mirror -- look n/t |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:41 AM |
#76 |
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and the threads in GD:P will pop up soon. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:42 AM |
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I thought that after the election |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:45 AM |
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Words -- read. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 10:43 AM |
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That doesn't make it defensible. |
glitch |
Jun-12-09 11:09 AM |
#105 |
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Exactly. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 11:21 AM |
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...attempting to defend this - and failing miserably! |
Individualist |
Jun-12-09 11:48 AM |
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no, thats crap. no one is defending the ruling. what people are rightly pissed about, |
dionysus |
Jun-12-09 12:11 PM |
#120 |
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A little honesty. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-12-09 03:43 PM |
#156 |
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kick , outraged. nt |
Mari333 |
Jun-12-09 10:39 AM |
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If they really want to "preserve scarce government resources" |
magellan |
Jun-12-09 10:45 AM |
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+1 |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:48 AM |
#86 |
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+2 |
Mari333 |
Jun-12-09 10:52 AM |
#90 |
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+3 |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:53 AM |
#92 |
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+4 |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-12-09 11:02 AM |
#101 |
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+5 |
dflprincess |
Jun-12-09 12:17 PM |
#123 |
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+6 |
Libertyfirst |
Jun-12-09 12:48 PM |
#128 |
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+7 |
leftstreet |
Jun-12-09 02:04 PM |
#140 |
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+8 |
readmoreoften |
Jun-12-09 02:18 PM |
#142 |
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+9 |
chatnoir |
Jun-12-09 05:23 PM |
#163 |
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+1000 |
TheWatcher |
Jun-12-09 09:27 PM |
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This wouldn't suprise me at all ... |
Statistical |
Jun-12-09 10:52 AM |
#91 |
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What is amazing |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 10:53 AM |
#93 |
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Any threat to Obama's infallibility here is quickly quashed. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 10:54 AM |
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What's even more amazing is |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 11:07 AM |
#102 |
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double standards....gotta love 'em. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-12-09 11:13 AM |
#106 |
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If the brief attacked DOMA |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 11:46 AM |
#114 |
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Really? Was Gerry Brown disbarred from opposing Prop H8? |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 01:19 PM |
#133 |
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Comments on Brown above in the thread.... |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 01:24 PM |
#134 |
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Comments on Brown above in the thread |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 01:24 PM |
#135 |
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The fact remains |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 01:30 PM |
#137 |
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These were appeals, |
sandnsea |
Jun-12-09 02:10 PM |
#141 |
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Ah crap. I got sucked in by that in another thread. |
redqueen |
Jun-12-09 05:19 PM |
#161 |
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Better Update Your Understanding Of Jerry Brown |
jberryhill |
Jun-14-09 11:29 AM |
#183 |
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Pony...weren't paying attention in the primaries...3d Vulcan chess, etc. ad nauseum. nt |
Romulox |
Jun-12-09 10:59 AM |
#99 |
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k |
Mari333 |
Jun-12-09 11:01 AM |
#100 |
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You forgot "I trust and have faith in him" and "he's smarter than me" |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-12-09 07:36 PM |
#173 |
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And "he's the smartest motherfucker in the room!" |
QC |
Jun-14-09 12:43 PM |
#184 |
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Now batting for Rick Santorum -- Barack Obama |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 11:08 AM |
#103 |
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please read an article that doesn't spin this |
OKNancy |
Jun-12-09 12:04 PM |
#118 |
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this thread is all about pushing the spin, to gin up some outrage. |
dionysus |
Jun-12-09 12:41 PM |
#126 |
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Sure, along with |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 03:15 PM |
#152 |
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please read the brief itself |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 01:18 PM |
#132 |
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+1 /nt |
readmoreoften |
Jun-12-09 02:20 PM |
#143 |
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Obama has always opposed gay marriage. That is a fact. He |
Libertyfirst |
Jun-12-09 12:45 PM |
#127 |
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Thing is some people thought he was lying about that, because he also had them convinced he was |
boston bean |
Jun-12-09 01:06 PM |
#130 |
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He promised to work to repeal DOMA -- he lied |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 01:17 PM |
#131 |
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The Office of Solicitor General Cannot "Repeal" A Damned Thing /nt |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 01:28 PM |
#136 |
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I've got to give you credit |
nichomachus |
Jun-12-09 01:32 PM |
#138 |
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And what would that "lost cause" be? |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 02:20 PM |
#144 |
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All the things you mention seem like lost causes right about now |
Bluebear |
Jun-12-09 03:07 PM |
#151 |
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Based on very recent, and very rapid, trends, I disagree |
jberryhill |
Jun-12-09 05:43 PM |
#165 |
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Holy fucking shit |
Veruca Salt |
Jun-12-09 02:01 PM |
#139 |
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The brief also compared same sex marriage to incest, and the brief was written by an LDS |
LostinVA |
Jun-12-09 05:08 PM |
#160 |
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That frikkin figures! |
Veruca Salt |
Jun-12-09 06:23 PM |
#167 |
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"... in the absence of a new law, the government is duty-bound to enforce the laws of the land..." |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-12-09 05:49 PM |
#166 |
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Laurence Tribe on the DOMA brief |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-12-09 08:17 PM |
#175 |
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Its all about money with this guy... |
Jack_DeLeon |
Jun-12-09 11:54 PM |
#179 |
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Lead name on brief and assistant Atty. General hand picked. |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-13-09 12:55 AM |
#180 |
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Um, Obama is NOT defending DOMA. By law, the DoJ does NOT communicate w/Pres. Obama on cases. |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-13-09 08:34 AM |
#181 |
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