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Fri Jun-12-09 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #70 |
| 79. Oh, here's another gun control measure I and likely even the NRA |
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would support.
Open NICS to private sellers on a voluntary basis for a minimal cost. As it is there is no way for me to access NICS if I want to sell a gun to a resident of my state without being at the mercy of a FFL dealer who really isn't interested in transfering private sale guns so they make it cost prohibitive. If FFL dealers were required to conduct firearms transfers for a statutory fee, say $20 or less (10 minutes work). Shield any seller from civil or criminal prosecution if the gun is later used in a crime, if they transfer through NICS. Set up an NICS check point at all gun shows. Then fund a public awareness campaign. This would go a long way toward keeping private sale guns out of criminal hands.
Another idea, prosecute straw purchasers for the same crime the shooter is charged with.
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| -So, how did felons like Roeder and von Brunn get their guns? |
jpak |
Jun-12-09 06:21 AM |
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Private gun sale...perhaps at a gun show...perhaps a straw purchase... |
Junkdrawer |
Jun-12-09 06:26 AM |
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If they got them at gun shows - time to close the loophole... |
jpak |
Jun-12-09 06:33 AM |
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Agreed. And we also need to limit the number of gun purchases a month... |
Junkdrawer |
Jun-12-09 06:35 AM |
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I have 52 guns |
michreject |
Jun-12-09 06:39 AM |
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If you are a felon, your number of guns allowed is zero |
jpak |
Jun-12-09 06:42 AM |
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I am aware of that |
michreject |
Jun-12-09 06:44 AM |
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If you're exchanging one for one you don't have to wait. |
Ganja Ninja |
Jun-12-09 10:54 AM |
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Not necessarily true. If a felon has their rights restored by the court upon or |
Zorra |
Jun-12-09 03:35 PM |
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The ATF was supposed to provide a means.. |
X_Digger |
Jun-12-09 05:25 PM |
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Did you buy them all last month? |
Junkdrawer |
Jun-12-09 06:43 AM |
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No |
michreject |
Jun-12-09 06:47 AM |
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How much of a burden would "2 purchases per month" be to you? |
Junkdrawer |
Jun-12-09 06:50 AM |
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Not much really |
michreject |
Jun-12-09 06:59 AM |
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The burden would be |
pipoman |
Jun-12-09 07:22 AM |
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The problem is, I doubt it would be much of a burden |
spoony |
Jun-12-09 06:53 PM |
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The idea is to stop non-felons from buying guns and reselling them to felons... |
Junkdrawer |
Jun-12-09 08:02 PM |
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It's a nice idea, it has already been proven to be ineffective |
pipoman |
Jun-12-09 09:11 PM |
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Oh, here's another gun control measure I and likely even the NRA |
pipoman |
Jun-12-09 09:27 PM |
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I would support that... |
Statistical |
Jun-12-09 10:23 PM |
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It is, you must admit, a pretty good system |
pipoman |
Jun-13-09 09:08 PM |
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statistical brings a god point - |
votingupstart |
Jun-13-09 03:20 PM |
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NICS is a different system from NCIC |
pipoman |
Jun-13-09 09:01 PM |
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what is the loophole |
Fla_Democrat |
Jun-12-09 07:00 AM |
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The "loophole" |
X_Digger |
Jun-12-09 09:51 AM |
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Yes, but |
Fla_Democrat |
Jun-12-09 10:28 AM |
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You got it.. |
X_Digger |
Jun-12-09 11:13 AM |
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There IS no gun show loophole |
dmallind |
Jun-12-09 10:31 AM |
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If the government isn't going to ban guns then every sale should require an FBI investigation. |
Xenotime |
Jun-12-09 08:07 PM |
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Why? |
dmallind |
Jun-12-09 10:05 PM |
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Take guns away from all the terrorists. |
Xenotime |
Jun-12-09 08:05 PM |
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Complete bullshit. Nice try though. |
cliffordu |
Jun-13-09 09:11 PM |
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We won't find out. For a VERY LONG TIME. If at all. |
tom_paine |
Jun-12-09 06:41 AM |
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If the gun is as old as media reports (von Brunn).. |
X_Digger |
Jun-12-09 09:53 AM |
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Good question |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jun-12-09 06:43 AM |
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von Brunn's weapon was a vintage (1908 - 1928) Winchester Rifle. He may |
WePurrsevere |
Jun-12-09 06:55 AM |
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Interesting.... |
Junkdrawer |
Jun-12-09 06:59 AM |
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If this were true that would mean there is an underground network. |
Xenotime |
Jun-12-09 08:08 PM |
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It's just as likely, if not more so, that he's had it for ages |
anigbrowl |
Jun-12-09 09:37 PM |
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Prior to GCA68 |
michreject |
Jun-12-09 07:01 AM |
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Would it make us feel better if he lobbed a Molotov cocktail? |
RagAss |
Jun-12-09 10:56 PM |
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Guns are foolishly easy to buy. I'm surprised he used a .22 |
Vinca |
Jun-12-09 07:03 AM |
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maybe because |
Duckhunter935 |
Jun-12-09 07:08 AM |
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I doubt this character cared much about legalities. |
Vinca |
Jun-12-09 07:19 AM |
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Then any new law would make no difference to criminals. |
Hangingon |
Jun-12-09 11:54 AM |
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there are only a couple of tens of thousand of legal full-auto guns in the country |
krispos42 |
Jun-12-09 06:47 PM |
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You wouldn't believe how easy it is to install the .22 conversion kit |
jmowreader |
Jun-12-09 07:48 AM |
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In addition to |
pipoman |
Jun-12-09 07:31 AM |
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Wrong. LA bank robbers used AK-47 full-automatic machine guns. nt |
cabluedem |
Jun-12-09 07:56 AM |
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For those with difficulty in reading comprehension |
michreject |
Jun-12-09 08:02 AM |
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Yep, and frankly there have only been a very small handful |
pipoman |
Jun-12-09 08:09 AM |
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Not in ten years? WTF? |
boppers |
Jun-12-09 06:32 PM |
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The weapon has to be fired or at least _seen_.. |
X_Digger |
Jun-12-09 08:12 PM |
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Ok Breathe...breathe.. |
pipoman |
Jun-12-09 08:41 PM |
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Automnatic weapons are very difficult to obtain - you meant Semi-automatic |
ThomWV |
Jun-12-09 08:06 AM |
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Where would he have gotten an automatic weapon? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jun-12-09 09:45 PM |
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You are aware of how difficult it is to aquire an automatic weapon right? |
Statistical |
Jun-12-09 10:09 PM |
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If automatic weapons were so easy to obtain as you "think" |
MicaelS |
Jun-12-09 11:17 PM |
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Why is it always about the GUN,, and not the nut that used one???? |
lazer47 |
Jun-12-09 07:10 AM |
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Nuts never seem to use post-its in massacres |
DireStrike |
Jun-12-09 07:23 AM |
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That is my point,, The Gun,, wasn't illegal it was the nut who had it .. |
lazer47 |
Jun-12-09 07:38 AM |
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Criminals steal many of their guns from legal gun owners who leave them unlocked. nt |
cabluedem |
Jun-12-09 08:01 AM |
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And gunrunners often use the "gosh it was stolen" excuse.... |
Junkdrawer |
Jun-12-09 08:08 AM |
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Most states do not. Most states don't even register firearms. |
Statistical |
Jun-12-09 10:12 PM |
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What news sources do you mean? MOST immediately speculate on the motive |
FailureToCommunicate |
Jun-12-09 09:46 AM |
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No matter what gun laws are put into place |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-12-09 07:41 AM |
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Plenty Of Loopholes In The Law... |
KharmaTrain |
Jun-12-09 07:53 AM |
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I don't believe you can 'gift' to a prohibited person.. |
X_Digger |
Jun-12-09 09:57 AM |
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Hehe, that's a clever law if it exists. |
DireStrike |
Jun-12-09 12:33 PM |
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Since there is no way for a citizen.. |
X_Digger |
Jun-12-09 01:40 PM |
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And how would anyone come to "know or have reason to believe" that? |
DireStrike |
Jun-12-09 05:58 PM |
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Yup, so if one of Von Brunn's 88'er buddies |
X_Digger |
Jun-12-09 06:13 PM |
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Sadly, You Can... |
KharmaTrain |
Jun-12-09 03:01 PM |
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Ahh, I suppose it depends on which law is applied.. |
X_Digger |
Jun-12-09 05:23 PM |
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Here's Your Loophole... |
KharmaTrain |
Jun-12-09 07:27 PM |
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Not a 'loophole' per se. |
X_Digger |
Jun-12-09 08:23 PM |
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Not reporting is not same as giving to a prohibited person. |
Statistical |
Jun-12-09 10:28 PM |
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I believe he used a .22 rifle - you can buy those things anywhere |
ThomWV |
Jun-12-09 08:04 AM |
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His was an antique. nt |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-12-09 10:36 AM |
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Just "borrow" a gun from a friend.. with or without permission |
SoCalDem |
Jun-12-09 08:17 AM |
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ergo, more guns = more gun violence |
villager |
Jun-12-09 08:36 AM |
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So with an increase in both guns available and |
montanto |
Jun-12-09 10:24 AM |
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Isn't it hysterical that villager can't respond to the facts in your post? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jun-12-09 09:48 PM |
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She (he?) never can. |
Statistical |
Jun-12-09 10:22 PM |
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More of her drive by postings. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jun-12-09 10:35 PM |
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Careful boys, you just might get 'ignored' if you post facts. n/t |
X_Digger |
Jun-13-09 01:59 PM |
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I love responding to people who have me on ignore. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jun-13-09 03:02 PM |
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lol "gun violence" nt |
anonymous171 |
Jun-12-09 10:49 AM |
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you might send a "lol" telegram to the family of the slain guard... |
villager |
Jun-12-09 12:25 PM |
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You're just pissed off that a few more people weren't killed |
konnichi wa |
Jun-12-09 05:33 PM |
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Well, it's awfully hard to have gun violence without guns n/t |
krispos42 |
Jun-12-09 06:48 PM |
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It's awfully hard to have knife violence without knives. |
armyowalgreens |
Jun-12-09 10:26 PM |
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Yup, tautology & truism is what passes |
X_Digger |
Jun-13-09 02:00 PM |
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violence begats violence |
Xenotime |
Jun-12-09 08:09 PM |
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What's really strange is why some think more gun laws will help |
dmallind |
Jun-12-09 10:40 AM |
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G. Gordon Liddy, a convicted felon, has repeatedly stated that |
Kalyke |
Jun-12-09 03:38 PM |
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Laws for the elite, and laws for the rest of us.. |
X_Digger |
Jun-12-09 05:28 PM |
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Liddy ought to be shadowed by ATF |
RamboLiberal |
Jun-12-09 05:30 PM |
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Von Brunn's gun was between 80 and 100 years old. |
benEzra |
Jun-12-09 07:24 PM |
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Liddy may have had his rights restored. He's wealthy enough to get that done. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jun-12-09 09:49 PM |
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In Little Rock, Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad got his from |
deaniac21 |
Jun-12-09 05:26 PM |
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Von Brunn's was so old |
AnnieBW |
Jun-13-09 03:22 PM |
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