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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 01:39 PM
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79. What the phuck does that have to do with anything?
There's police needed in any society...are you saying it's astroniomically high (violence and criminal behavior) in the armed forces? Are you saying all violence in the Armed Forces is gay-related?
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  -My opinion on DADT...(I got my asbestos suit on) Archae  Jun-09-09 12:08 PM   #0 
  - Gays serve openly in the UK, Australia, Canada, Germany, Israel, and more.  jesus_of_suburbia   Jun-09-09 12:11 PM   #1 
  - Do those countries produce as many trailer park sociopaths headed to the military as the US?  Oregone   Jun-09-09 12:14 PM   #5 
  - If the "trailer park sociopaths" hurt someone gay, then they get in trouble.  jesus_of_suburbia   Jun-09-09 12:41 PM   #33 
  - Yeah, "trouble". They might just get a slap on a wrist  Oregone   Jun-09-09 12:54 PM   #46 
  - Haha slap on the wrist.  JonLP24   Jun-10-09 09:40 AM   #145 
  - You mean like they do when they hurt female troops? eom  lukasahero   Jun-09-09 01:42 PM   #83 
  - Define "..trailer park sociopaths" and quantify the numbers in the US military.  Gormy Cuss   Jun-09-09 01:09 PM   #59 
  - The term doesn't actually refer to any residents.  Oregone   Jun-09-09 01:14 PM   #62 
     - Re: sociopaths in the military, I wouldn't argue either way because I've never seen data.  Gormy Cuss   Jun-09-09 01:22 PM   #69 
        - Most of what I see is ancedotal too you know  Oregone   Jun-09-09 01:28 PM   #71 
  - British squaddies do have a reputation for thuggery  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-09-09 02:21 PM   #97 
  - And interestingly, the UK was right at our side in Iraq  Not Me   Jun-09-09 12:24 PM   #19 
  - Exactly. n/t  jesus_of_suburbia   Jun-09-09 12:43 PM   #35 
  - Excellent point. Most other countries, it's a done deal.  pinto   Jun-09-09 01:02 PM   #54 
  - The UK was forced to allow Gays in to The Military  TheBigotBasher   Jun-09-09 01:34 PM   #73 
     - "go for The Supreme Court if you think the numbers are right"  jesus_of_suburbia   Jun-09-09 01:56 PM   #88 
  - Is it your feeling that being female in the military is hanging a sign that says, "Rape me!"?  Buzz Clik   Jun-09-09 12:11 PM   #2 
  - Female sexual assault is very high for deployed women  Oregone   Jun-09-09 12:16 PM   #8 
     - I think it's reported more accurately in the military community than the civilian one. nt  Captain Hilts   Jun-09-09 12:16 PM   #12 
        - What leads you to think that?  Oregone   Jun-09-09 12:18 PM   #16 
           - Accountability for behavior in the military is higher than in the civilian world.  Captain Hilts   Jun-09-09 02:40 PM   #104 
              - Bullshit. The military has been covering up the number of sexual assaults for years.  alarimer   Jun-10-09 07:54 AM   #139 
  - Oh man ......  Stinky The Clown   Jun-09-09 12:12 PM   #3 
  - The servicemembers who do the "heavy lifting" are kids, between eighteen and  MADem   Jun-09-09 12:12 PM   #4 
  - True. 18 to 38 years old do not commit hate crimes  Oregone   Jun-09-09 12:17 PM   # 
     - Well, some do, certainly. Matthew Shepherd wasn't murdered by senior citizens.  MADem   Jun-09-09 01:52 PM   #87 
  - Yes, wait another five or ten years  gratuitous   Jun-09-09 12:15 PM   #6 
  - your argument is insane  Mari333   Jun-09-09 12:15 PM   #7 
  - We should limit patriotic/financial opportunity for some because others can't handle it?  Captain Hilts   Jun-09-09 12:16 PM   #9 
  - There is definitely a conflict here with any solution  Oregone   Jun-09-09 12:25 PM   #20 
     - That only works if you prohibit marriage for soldiers.  Lyric   Jun-09-09 12:29 PM   #26 
     - Yeah, true  Oregone   Jun-09-09 12:31 PM   #29 
     - Sexual behavior of any kind in the unit should not be allowed. nt  Captain Hilts   Jun-09-09 02:41 PM   #105 
  - You contradict your own point.  Lyric   Jun-09-09 12:16 PM   #10 
  - Saw your post after I posted. You are so right.  GodlessBiker   Jun-09-09 12:44 PM   #36 
  - Indeed.  TheBigotBasher   Jun-09-09 02:25 PM   #101 
  - So you are saying that the low morality of the heterosexual troops  Bluenorthwest   Jun-09-09 12:16 PM   #11 
  - i disagree  marimour   Jun-09-09 12:17 PM   #13 
  - Considering numbers of female militarybeing raped, openly hetero in military not working well  havocmom   Jun-09-09 12:17 PM   #14 
  - From what people say on this thread,  KitSileya   Jun-10-09 08:44 AM   #143 
     - Won't agree as most straight males in military don't rape.  havocmom   Jun-10-09 09:24 AM   #144 
  - There is still a lot of gender discrimination in the military. Are women allowed  ecstatic   Jun-09-09 12:18 PM   #15 
  - its no coincidence that large phallic shapes sputtering under the oceans  Mari333   Jun-09-09 12:23 PM   #17 
     - That 's a funny!  bertman   Jun-09-09 12:52 PM   #42 
  - People weren't "ready" for desegregation either.  dorkulon   Jun-09-09 12:24 PM   #18 
  - We aren't talking about people here, as in a whole population  Oregone   Jun-09-09 12:28 PM   #22 
  - All of these arguments would have applied to desegregating the military.  dorkulon   Jun-09-09 01:40 PM   #82 
  - I'd call it HARD bigotry.  chimpymustgo   Jun-09-09 12:29 PM   #25 
  - Ever see all the Hassidic Jew in LA on Saturday morning? The little boys have side curls...  joeybee12   Jun-09-09 12:27 PM   #21 
  - it's a volunteer military and repealing DADT wouldn't force people to tell  Orangepeel   Jun-09-09 12:28 PM   #23 
  - Agreed  Caliman73   Jun-09-09 01:18 PM   #64 
  - I think we need to give our GLBTQ friends the chance to defend themselves from those attacks...  Fearless   Jun-09-09 12:28 PM   #24 
  - You presume  zipplewrath   Jun-09-09 12:30 PM   #27 
  - Even if your premise is true, you have to start somewhere.  stopbush   Jun-09-09 12:30 PM   #28 
  - There's a reason we don't have uni-sex bathrooms ...  Kaleva   Jun-09-09 12:33 PM   #30 
  - Ya know this has been debunked on DU many, many times before.  riderinthestorm   Jun-09-09 12:39 PM   # 
  - What old arguement?  Kaleva   Jun-09-09 12:54 PM   #48 
     - You're making a huge assumption about sexual behavior in that kind of situation  riderinthestorm   Jun-09-09 07:15 PM   #115 
        - Exactly  JerseygirlCT   Jun-09-09 07:48 PM   #124 
        - If it's not that big of a problem...  Kaleva   Jun-10-09 12:13 AM   #134 
           - Bwahaha!  donco6   Jun-10-09 07:33 AM   #136 
           - I'm guessing you are a person of privilege or you wouldn't also ASSume  riderinthestorm   Jun-10-09 10:30 PM   #147 
  - I manage to shower with presumably straight guys in the gym without raping them...  jesus_of_suburbia   Jun-09-09 12:51 PM   #40 
  - I might be able to take a shower with women without ...  Kaleva   Jun-09-09 01:00 PM   #52 
     - That's a problem you should work on then  LanternWaste   Jun-09-09 01:35 PM   #74 
     - I've showered with males all my life -  donco6   Jun-09-09 02:04 PM   #92 
     - To be fair, I kind of understand that.... but gay men and women have dealt with this their entire  jesus_of_suburbia   Jun-09-09 02:11 PM   #93 
     - Interesting  Kaleva   Jun-09-09 07:15 PM   #116 
     - Sounds as if you are too mentally weak to be in Navy  me b zola   Jun-09-09 02:17 PM   #96 
        - Couldn't answer the question could you?  Kaleva   Jun-09-09 06:47 PM   #112 
           - I answered the question... see my post:  jesus_of_suburbia   Jun-09-09 06:58 PM   #114 
           - I apologise but I don't see your answer  Kaleva   Jun-09-09 07:49 PM   #125 
              - Sounds to me like you think there are no gays and lesbians in the army at present.  KitSileya   Jun-10-09 08:39 AM   #142 
           - They didn't have to -- you revealed something about yourself that made the only point we needed  LostinVA   Jun-09-09 07:44 PM   #122 
           - Can't answer the question can you?  Kaleva   Jun-09-09 07:51 PM   #126 
              - And your position is - ?  donco6   Jun-10-09 07:40 AM   #138 
           - Because you're a bigot, that's why.  donco6   Jun-10-09 07:38 AM   #137 
  - Straight and gay men share showers and bathrooms all over the planet.  Duncan Grant   Jun-09-09 01:29 PM   #72 
  - A gay homosexual might see his peenyus! n/t  QC   Jun-09-09 01:49 PM   #86 
  - It must look like a big bag of money the way he's worrying about it. (nt)  Duncan Grant   Jun-09-09 05:12 PM   #107 
     - Eh, I've seen enough of them that I am seldom driven to madness anymore.  QC   Jun-09-09 08:01 PM   #129 
  - Then what is the reason for the seperation of men and women?  Kaleva   Jun-09-09 08:04 PM   #130 
     - My guess? Straight men don't trust other straight men with THEIR women.  Duncan Grant   Jun-10-09 01:59 PM   #146 
  - WHAT???  donco6   Jun-09-09 01:40 PM   #81 
  - You May Be Right  iamjoy   Jun-09-09 12:37 PM   #31 
  - I do think the military needs a little time to come up with new procedures  anigbrowl   Jun-09-09 12:39 PM   #32 
  - That's more of what I was thinking of.  Archae   Jun-09-09 12:51 PM   #41 
  - Wrong...all the brass needs to do is say this is the way it is and the soldiers  joeybee12   Jun-09-09 12:54 PM   #45 
  - Too bad most military brass are scared shitless of "teh gay."  Archae   Jun-09-09 12:58 PM   #51 
  - The brass did that when the Services were integrated -- same thing  LostinVA   Jun-09-09 01:08 PM   #58 
     - Unfortunately, our military brass has switched bigotries.  Archae   Jun-09-09 01:15 PM   #63 
        - Then they will be removed -- too bad, too sad  LostinVA   Jun-09-09 01:18 PM   #65 
        - Indeed. Unwinding that needs a be a priority too.  anigbrowl   Jun-09-09 01:22 PM   #68 
  - say what is the way it is?  anigbrowl   Jun-09-09 01:20 PM   #67 
     - That IS all they need to do -- they've done it before  LostinVA   Jun-09-09 01:23 PM   # 
     - What the phuck does that have to do with anything?  joeybee12   Jun-09-09 01:39 PM   #79 
        - Think about it.  anigbrowl   Jun-09-09 02:24 PM   #100 
           - You are ignoring historical precedent: they HAVE done it  LostinVA   Jun-09-09 02:52 PM   #106 
  - If DOD didn't throw away all of the crap from just pre-DADT, after Clinton was elected,  MADem   Jun-09-09 02:14 PM   #94 
     - Agreed 100%.  anigbrowl   Jun-09-09 02:25 PM   #102 
        - Maybe they already are--I don't keep in touch with anyone in that end of things anymore.  MADem   Jun-09-09 02:39 PM   #103 
  - You refute your own point. If there is still racial violence to this day, does that mean Truman...  GodlessBiker   Jun-09-09 12:42 PM   #34 
  - +1  Gormy Cuss   Jun-09-09 12:52 PM   #43 
  - Your OP is so rife with offensiveness and stupidity, I don't know where to start  LostinVA   Jun-09-09 12:50 PM   #37 
  - It's "let's wait until the bigots feel better about it."  Lex   Jun-09-09 12:54 PM   #47 
  - That's a good synopsis of the argument.  GodlessBiker   Jun-09-09 12:56 PM   #49 
  - Yes, exactly  LostinVA   Jun-09-09 12:57 PM   #50 
  - That's a perfect summary of the OP's position.  myrna minx   Jun-09-09 01:01 PM   #53 
  - +1  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Jun-09-09 01:03 PM   #56 
  - Thanks for your thoughts.  AndyA   Jun-09-09 12:50 PM   #38 
  - -1  LostinVA   Jun-09-09 12:50 PM   #39 
  - Same old tired arguments that were used when integrating the military.  Lex   Jun-09-09 12:53 PM   #44 
  - Oh. My.  Starry Messenger   Jun-09-09 01:03 PM   #55 
  - Before anyone else jumps on my ass...  Archae   Jun-09-09 01:07 PM   #57 
  - We already read your scathingly brilliant OP  LostinVA   Jun-09-09 01:10 PM   #60 
  - pos 41 doesn't really help your point...  Caliman73   Jun-09-09 01:39 PM   #78 
  - People don't HAVE to tell if they don't want to; making it a law just reinforces the attitude of the  LeftishBrit   Jun-09-09 01:12 PM   #61 
  - However, it was state sanctioned equality...  LanternWaste   Jun-09-09 01:20 PM   #66 
  - Your contradiction is visible even under that ton of bullshit.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-09-09 01:23 PM   #70 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-09-09 01:37 PM   #75 
  - Breathtaking, isn't it?  Lex   Jun-09-09 01:38 PM   #76 
     - Yes.  donco6   Jun-09-09 02:02 PM   #91 
        - How does the flamebait OP get to stand while the obvious reactions  Warren Stupidity   Jun-09-09 07:29 PM   #119 
           - Reasonable people can disagree about homophobia.  Lex   Jun-09-09 09:40 PM   #133 
           - Personal insult is against forum rules.  MADem   Jun-10-09 08:19 AM   #141 
              - But they can go after entire classes of people.  donco6   Jun-10-09 10:47 PM   #150 
                 - Well, if ya see that happening, there's always bringing it up to a mod or  MADem   Jun-10-09 11:48 PM   #151 
                    - Yeah . . . sure. n/t  donco6   Jun-11-09 07:09 AM   #152 
                       - I think the admins do listen. And the mods do their best--they follow the  MADem   Jun-11-09 08:27 AM   #153 
  - Wow, teh Stupid is Huge with this one...  RetroLounge   Jun-09-09 01:39 PM   #77 
  - +1  Toasterlad   Jun-09-09 06:51 PM   #113 
  - oh for the love of pete...  Javaman   Jun-09-09 01:39 PM   #80 
  - Well, you'd be wrong. The only way to change is to change.  Greyhound   Jun-09-09 01:43 PM   #84 
  - Didn't the military start letting in people with criminal backgrounds and racists  4lbs   Jun-09-09 01:44 PM   #85 
  - So we should kick out the NONracists and NONcriminals  donco6   Jun-09-09 02:01 PM   #89 
  - Where did I say that? I said that once DADT was repealed, there will be this other issue that will  4lbs   Jun-09-09 05:26 PM   #108 
  - People who disobey direct orders are subject to severe discipline.  MADem   Jun-09-09 02:02 PM   #90 
     - I'm not sure the neo-Nazis that join the military would care about what a black President says.  4lbs   Jun-09-09 05:27 PM   #109 
        - They'd have a chance to think about that attitude while enjoying the accomodations at Leavenworth nt  MADem   Jun-10-09 08:16 AM   #140 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-09-09 02:14 PM   #95 
  - +1  donco6   Jun-09-09 02:22 PM   #98 
     - +1  Warren Stupidity   Jun-09-09 07:41 PM   #121 
  - Given the number of nations where gays and lesbians openly serve only tells me one thing  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-09-09 02:24 PM   #99 
  - The OP is full of so many fallacies, it's scary.  armyowalgreens   Jun-09-09 05:34 PM   #110 
  - What makes you so sure that most of their comrades in arms don't already know?  varelse   Jun-09-09 05:47 PM   #111 
  - To quote my BIL, who was an offcier in Army Intelligence:  LostinVA   Jun-09-09 07:52 PM   #127 
  - My opinion on your post...  Warren Stupidity   Jun-09-09 07:28 PM   #117 
  - How nice, protecting the delicate gays. WHY DON'T YOU LET *THEM* DECIDE?!  Bluebear   Jun-09-09 07:29 PM   #118 
  - ZERO recs. Gee, wonder why...  keepCAblue   Jun-09-09 07:35 PM   #120 
  - Shouldn't that be something  JerseygirlCT   Jun-09-09 07:44 PM   #123 
  - I think we should keep DADT but modify the policy  noamnety   Jun-09-09 07:56 PM   #128 
  - Well, that certainly addresses the REAL problem!  donco6   Jun-10-09 07:27 AM   #135 
  - There were some openly Japanese-American soldiers during WWII...  AntiFascist   Jun-09-09 08:16 PM   #131 
  - did you ever serve, Archae?  Skittles   Jun-09-09 08:25 PM   #132 
  - Soldiers are supposed to be adults and the military is supposed to be a job.  Renew Deal   Jun-10-09 10:44 PM   #148 
  - This thing is still open?  donco6   Jun-10-09 10:46 PM   #149 

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