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Tue Jun-09-09 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #54 |
| 85. I was right, an idiot in denial did try to refute the OP using a silly argument |
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How do you figure I don't want this discriminating law repealed?
Is this put words in my mouth day?
I not only want this law to disappear, I want our President to protect our gay soldiers from being fired while "the debate" is being argued in congress.
He can do that you know, he is The President of the united States and the Commander and Chief of the military - there was a big election and everything.
Please read before posting replies, it saves on confusion.
Just out of curiosity, why to you wish DADT to continue anyway, I just don't get why anyone would and I am curious about it.
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| -Obama, Gay People, and the Fallacy of the Magic Wand Argument. |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 12:05 AM |
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Well argued |
anigbrowl |
Jun-09-09 12:14 AM |
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K&R |
FreeState |
Jun-09-09 12:19 AM |
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Excellent post Toasterlad. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-09-09 12:28 AM |
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AMEN |
Skittles |
Jun-09-09 12:36 AM |
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The more it is argued, the plainer it becomes. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-09-09 01:01 AM |
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Yup |
cboy4 |
Jun-09-09 01:05 AM |
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great post, k&r! |
inna |
Jun-09-09 01:13 AM |
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You have covered everything flawlessly - The Apologists will have to remain silent |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 02:09 AM |
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Obama understood all of this when we was running for president. |
ThomCat |
Jun-09-09 02:27 AM |
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There is a phenomenon where a post gets many more noms than replies |
Stinky The Clown |
Jun-09-09 05:32 AM |
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I'm a master of those kinds of topics |
shadowknows69 |
Jun-09-09 06:21 AM |
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Brava!!! |
theHandpuppet |
Jun-09-09 05:39 AM |
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Recommended. |
Heidi |
Jun-09-09 06:06 AM |
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Some superfund should be created to support soldiers who want to come out |
shadowknows69 |
Jun-09-09 06:20 AM |
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Or we could reinstitute the DRAFT! |
imdjh |
Jun-09-09 11:50 AM |
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So you are advocating that 5 1/2 months into his |
whistler162 |
Jun-09-09 07:09 AM |
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If he were really Commander in Chief he would in fact command |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-09-09 07:55 AM |
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his political ambitions are not as important |
Mari333 |
Jun-09-09 07:59 AM |
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"...he will lose in 2012, because he has lost his base" |
Dawgs |
Jun-09-09 08:16 AM |
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You are trying to claim his base is the 30% of bigots that don't think the policy should be ditched? |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 08:34 AM |
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Huh? I didn't define anything about "his base". |
Dawgs |
Jun-09-09 08:52 AM |
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You said his "base" wasn't all that upset about this issue |
ruggerson |
Jun-09-09 09:00 AM |
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Hey, I was his base: |
howmad1 |
Jun-09-09 01:50 PM |
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You really should bother to edit your post before denying what it said |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 09:27 AM |
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Why would I edit it? |
Dawgs |
Jun-09-09 12:45 PM |
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You stand by "I didn't say anything about his base?" |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 01:20 PM |
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i dont want a republican president |
Mari333 |
Jun-09-09 08:38 AM |
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Can you say |
nichomachus |
Jun-09-09 10:48 AM |
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Correct. |
closeupready |
Jun-09-09 09:26 AM |
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Will gays vote republican in 2012? Complain about |
liquid diamond |
Jun-09-09 09:18 PM |
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Sorry....That Threat Doesn't Work Anymore. |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 09:57 PM |
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"would life be any different for GLBT people right now under McCain?" |
Brooklyns_Finest |
Jun-10-09 12:12 AM |
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A 2nd grader could make a more relevant argument. |
Lex |
Jun-09-09 10:39 PM |
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There are alternatives to voting for either the Democrat or Republican |
MNBrewer |
Jun-09-09 11:00 PM |
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If Megan McCain is listened to by the Republican candidate in 2012?... Maybe they will. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-09-09 11:13 PM |
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A SUPERMAJORITY OF AMERICANS want DADT doen away with with |
LostinVA |
Jun-09-09 08:21 AM |
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I nailed it! - "The One" I refereed to in post #8 |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 08:29 AM |
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The only thing you nailed was your thumb! |
whistler162 |
Jun-09-09 11:21 AM |
#54 |
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I was right, an idiot in denial did try to refute the OP using a silly argument |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 01:30 PM |
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Ignore a law? |
zipplewrath |
Jun-09-09 09:00 AM |
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the U.S. code explicitly gives him the authority to do so |
JustinL |
Jun-09-09 12:33 PM |
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What Part of "Commander in Chief" Do You Not Understand? |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 06:15 PM |
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Obama has a unique opportunity to use his bully pulpit |
NorthCarolina |
Jun-09-09 08:15 AM |
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You've laid it out clearly and precisely |
Laughing Mirror |
Jun-09-09 08:18 AM |
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Kicked. Great post. |
RandomKoolzip |
Jun-09-09 08:31 AM |
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This is ridiculous... |
BolivarianHero |
Jun-09-09 08:33 AM |
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BRAVO!!!!! n/t |
nichomachus |
Jun-09-09 08:35 AM |
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K&R Exactly! |
katandmoon |
Jun-09-09 08:53 AM |
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Right now |
BigD_95 |
Jun-09-09 08:59 AM |
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Oh bullshit! |
howmad1 |
Jun-09-09 02:17 PM |
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And After Healthcare, Jobs. And After Jobs, the War. And After the War... |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 06:11 PM |
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K&R |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Jun-09-09 09:07 AM |
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Well said. |
Politicub |
Jun-09-09 09:10 AM |
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K&R |
redqueen |
Jun-09-09 09:13 AM |
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recommended n/t |
ruggerson |
Jun-09-09 09:16 AM |
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It is beyond disappointing. |
Lex |
Jun-09-09 09:24 AM |
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Yup. Nothing to add except K&R. |
closeupready |
Jun-09-09 09:26 AM |
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He has shown leadership on many fronts. |
JNelson6563 |
Jun-09-09 09:27 AM |
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K&R nt |
Balderdash |
Jun-09-09 09:33 AM |
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I am over Obama and his "promise" to stop DADT |
meowomon |
Jun-09-09 09:36 AM |
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HEAR!! HEAR!! A toast to toasterlad for an excellent OP. Recommend. |
bertman |
Jun-09-09 09:36 AM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Jun-09-09 09:54 AM |
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Get that lad a big ol' toaster! |
foxfeet |
Jun-09-09 10:04 AM |
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This thread goes to 11, and beyond.... |
SacredCow |
Jun-09-09 10:33 AM |
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Obama never showed leadership before |
zalinda |
Jun-09-09 10:37 AM |
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Where is the push from the Senate or House on this? |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-09-09 11:47 AM |
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Doesn't some large percentage of legislation originate in the White House? Or just on West Wing? |
imdjh |
Jun-09-09 11:55 AM |
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That was the West Wing (and W)) |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-09-09 01:11 PM |
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Gays Scapegoated by the GOP |
jeremyfive |
Jun-09-09 10:46 AM |
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K&R! |
William769 |
Jun-09-09 10:52 AM |
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my heart breaks |
undergroundnomore |
Jun-09-09 11:12 AM |
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Damned fine posting, Toasterlad! Damned fine. |
Raster |
Jun-09-09 11:16 AM |
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Good for you! Well done! |
joeybee12 |
Jun-09-09 11:22 AM |
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Outstanding post. K and R! |
riderinthestorm |
Jun-09-09 11:22 AM |
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And if he does it on his timetable and not yours, will it still count? I hope so. nt |
quiet.american |
Jun-09-09 11:28 AM |
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240 service members FIRED since Obama took office. How about THEIR timetable? |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 11:29 AM |
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I'm former USAF and there's one thing that's clear when you're in the military -- |
quiet.american |
Jun-09-09 11:35 AM |
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A good reason for Obama to show some leadership & sign an executive order |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 11:37 AM |
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I still think that two active wars and the current political environment is not being considered. |
quiet.american |
Jun-09-09 11:40 AM |
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2 active wars is how he could justify it. But proceed with your smug dismissal. |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 11:42 AM |
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And I suppose "adieu" doesn't qualify as smug. :) nt |
quiet.american |
Jun-09-09 11:45 AM |
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I'm trying to politely leave the conversation as I have to work. You would prefer FU? |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 11:47 AM |
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If I weren't, the conversations here certainly wouldn't make me into one. |
quiet.american |
Jun-09-09 11:52 AM |
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We're losing good qualified people due to this insanity during "two active wars." |
Lex |
Jun-09-09 11:50 AM |
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Dealing with internal military culture, I suspect, is a big part of Obama's considerations. |
quiet.american |
Jun-09-09 11:55 AM |
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Then, maybe he needs to kick some serious ass in the "military culture" |
nichomachus |
Jun-09-09 12:12 PM |
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Your argument, when you break it down, is that our military |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-09-09 01:11 PM |
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Having been in the military, I say that the military can handle it |
Creideiki |
Jun-09-09 10:32 PM |
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What? Like a coup? |
MNBrewer |
Jun-09-09 11:07 PM |
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Rage vs. blind trust |
zipplewrath |
Jun-09-09 12:21 PM |
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+1 |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 07:12 PM |
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"because I wanted to feel like a human being with rights again." |
Forkboy |
Jun-09-09 11:54 AM |
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Indeed. |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 07:59 PM |
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I'm former US Army, and you're full of shit. |
Touchdown |
Jun-09-09 03:22 PM |
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I celebrated the day I was promoted to ... |
followthemoney |
Jun-09-09 04:34 PM |
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Would you want your rights subject to someone else's time table? |
dflprincess |
Jun-09-09 12:51 PM |
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Thank you |
LostinVA |
Jun-09-09 03:25 PM |
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Waiting on YOUR Rights? |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 06:16 PM |
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No. They'll start another one of these threads bitching that he took too long. |
liquid diamond |
Jun-09-09 09:21 PM |
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What rights can we take away from YOU, bigmouth? |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 09:28 PM |
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Obama hasn't taken your fucking rights. DADT was enacted |
liquid diamond |
Jun-09-09 09:51 PM |
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I suggest you butt out of our struggle. You're no ally. |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 09:52 PM |
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I'm no ally because I don't expect Obama to overturn DADT in |
liquid diamond |
Jun-09-09 10:04 PM |
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'Others here feel the same way I do.' - OK sockpuppet |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 10:23 PM |
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"Patience is a virtue" |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 09:53 PM |
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my "fucking" rights |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 09:54 PM |
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Self Delete. |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 10:02 PM |
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You are way over the top. Take several deep breaths before |
liquid diamond |
Jun-09-09 10:07 PM |
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You Know What? You're Right. |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 10:09 PM |
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Name removed |
Jun-09-09 10:20 PM |
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You certainly are full of poutrage, aren't you? |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Jun-09-09 10:22 PM |
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i wonder whose sockpuppet you are, chicken shit? |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 10:24 PM |
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You Sir do not seem to understand the concept "equal liberty for all" |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 10:30 PM |
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Pony? Oh, you are a clever and original one, aren't you? LOL. |
Lex |
Jun-09-09 10:37 PM |
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+1 |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Jun-09-09 10:22 PM |
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I'm always curious when I see a sockpuppet: |
Creideiki |
Jun-09-09 10:29 PM |
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Gosh, I will so listen to you -- enjoy your (hoepfully short) stay |
LostinVA |
Jun-10-09 08:13 AM |
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wow you came into a thread about equal rights |
ruggerson |
Jun-09-09 11:54 PM |
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K&R |
Torn_Scorned_Ignored |
Jun-09-09 11:29 AM |
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Happy to K&R this one. |
Forkboy |
Jun-09-09 11:51 AM |
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Beautiful. Enthusiastically recommended! |
Duncan Grant |
Jun-09-09 12:25 PM |
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I think that people who are willing to give Obama a pass on inaction |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-09-09 12:48 PM |
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K&R and and Grand Salute!! |
keepCAblue |
Jun-09-09 01:06 PM |
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K&R |
RetroLounge |
Jun-09-09 01:31 PM |
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Personally I think all LGBT people should join the other war resisters and fight DADT simultaneously |
readmoreoften |
Jun-09-09 04:21 PM |
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Recommended. And pleased that so many others agree. |
RufusH |
Jun-09-09 04:24 PM |
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Too much consensus. Not enough confrontation. n/y |
followthemoney |
Jun-09-09 04:29 PM |
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Toasterlad |
jhrobbins |
Jun-09-09 04:58 PM |
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Great points! |
AntiFascist |
Jun-09-09 06:10 PM |
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Right On! |
Noorvik |
Jun-09-09 07:29 PM |
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K & R. nt. |
LWolf |
Jun-09-09 07:32 PM |
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but, but, he has important things to do |
mitchtv |
Jun-09-09 10:13 PM |
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That's EXACTLY what someone upthread did say! |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 10:24 PM |
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I was so disappointed in Obama |
farmboxer |
Jun-09-09 11:16 PM |
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I'll K&R this. |
arcadian |
Jun-09-09 11:28 PM |
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k and r |
Wetzelbill |
Jun-09-09 11:59 PM |
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We expect LEADERSHIP. We are entitled to it. |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-10-09 01:12 AM |
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Obama's silence on this issue is damning - and defining. And there is no excuse. |
solstice |
Jun-10-09 08:25 AM |
#138 |
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