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Tue Jun-09-09 11:16 AM
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| 53. Damned fine posting, Toasterlad! Damned fine. |
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Free your mind, the rest will follow!  |
| -Obama, Gay People, and the Fallacy of the Magic Wand Argument. |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 12:05 AM |
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Well argued |
anigbrowl |
Jun-09-09 12:14 AM |
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K&R |
FreeState |
Jun-09-09 12:19 AM |
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Excellent post Toasterlad. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-09-09 12:28 AM |
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AMEN |
Skittles |
Jun-09-09 12:36 AM |
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The more it is argued, the plainer it becomes. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-09-09 01:01 AM |
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Yup |
cboy4 |
Jun-09-09 01:05 AM |
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great post, k&r! |
inna |
Jun-09-09 01:13 AM |
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You have covered everything flawlessly - The Apologists will have to remain silent |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 02:09 AM |
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Obama understood all of this when we was running for president. |
ThomCat |
Jun-09-09 02:27 AM |
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There is a phenomenon where a post gets many more noms than replies |
Stinky The Clown |
Jun-09-09 05:32 AM |
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I'm a master of those kinds of topics |
shadowknows69 |
Jun-09-09 06:21 AM |
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Brava!!! |
theHandpuppet |
Jun-09-09 05:39 AM |
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Recommended. |
Heidi |
Jun-09-09 06:06 AM |
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Some superfund should be created to support soldiers who want to come out |
shadowknows69 |
Jun-09-09 06:20 AM |
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Or we could reinstitute the DRAFT! |
imdjh |
Jun-09-09 11:50 AM |
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So you are advocating that 5 1/2 months into his |
whistler162 |
Jun-09-09 07:09 AM |
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If he were really Commander in Chief he would in fact command |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-09-09 07:55 AM |
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his political ambitions are not as important |
Mari333 |
Jun-09-09 07:59 AM |
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"...he will lose in 2012, because he has lost his base" |
Dawgs |
Jun-09-09 08:16 AM |
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You are trying to claim his base is the 30% of bigots that don't think the policy should be ditched? |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 08:34 AM |
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Huh? I didn't define anything about "his base". |
Dawgs |
Jun-09-09 08:52 AM |
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You said his "base" wasn't all that upset about this issue |
ruggerson |
Jun-09-09 09:00 AM |
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Hey, I was his base: |
howmad1 |
Jun-09-09 01:50 PM |
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You really should bother to edit your post before denying what it said |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 09:27 AM |
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Why would I edit it? |
Dawgs |
Jun-09-09 12:45 PM |
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You stand by "I didn't say anything about his base?" |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 01:20 PM |
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i dont want a republican president |
Mari333 |
Jun-09-09 08:38 AM |
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Can you say |
nichomachus |
Jun-09-09 10:48 AM |
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Correct. |
closeupready |
Jun-09-09 09:26 AM |
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Will gays vote republican in 2012? Complain about |
liquid diamond |
Jun-09-09 09:18 PM |
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Sorry....That Threat Doesn't Work Anymore. |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 09:57 PM |
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"would life be any different for GLBT people right now under McCain?" |
Brooklyns_Finest |
Jun-10-09 12:12 AM |
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A 2nd grader could make a more relevant argument. |
Lex |
Jun-09-09 10:39 PM |
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There are alternatives to voting for either the Democrat or Republican |
MNBrewer |
Jun-09-09 11:00 PM |
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If Megan McCain is listened to by the Republican candidate in 2012?... Maybe they will. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-09-09 11:13 PM |
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A SUPERMAJORITY OF AMERICANS want DADT doen away with with |
LostinVA |
Jun-09-09 08:21 AM |
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I nailed it! - "The One" I refereed to in post #8 |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 08:29 AM |
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The only thing you nailed was your thumb! |
whistler162 |
Jun-09-09 11:21 AM |
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I was right, an idiot in denial did try to refute the OP using a silly argument |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 01:30 PM |
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Ignore a law? |
zipplewrath |
Jun-09-09 09:00 AM |
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the U.S. code explicitly gives him the authority to do so |
JustinL |
Jun-09-09 12:33 PM |
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What Part of "Commander in Chief" Do You Not Understand? |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 06:15 PM |
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Obama has a unique opportunity to use his bully pulpit |
NorthCarolina |
Jun-09-09 08:15 AM |
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You've laid it out clearly and precisely |
Laughing Mirror |
Jun-09-09 08:18 AM |
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Kicked. Great post. |
RandomKoolzip |
Jun-09-09 08:31 AM |
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This is ridiculous... |
BolivarianHero |
Jun-09-09 08:33 AM |
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BRAVO!!!!! n/t |
nichomachus |
Jun-09-09 08:35 AM |
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K&R Exactly! |
katandmoon |
Jun-09-09 08:53 AM |
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Right now |
BigD_95 |
Jun-09-09 08:59 AM |
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Oh bullshit! |
howmad1 |
Jun-09-09 02:17 PM |
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And After Healthcare, Jobs. And After Jobs, the War. And After the War... |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 06:11 PM |
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K&R |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Jun-09-09 09:07 AM |
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Well said. |
Politicub |
Jun-09-09 09:10 AM |
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K&R |
redqueen |
Jun-09-09 09:13 AM |
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recommended n/t |
ruggerson |
Jun-09-09 09:16 AM |
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It is beyond disappointing. |
Lex |
Jun-09-09 09:24 AM |
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Yup. Nothing to add except K&R. |
closeupready |
Jun-09-09 09:26 AM |
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He has shown leadership on many fronts. |
JNelson6563 |
Jun-09-09 09:27 AM |
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K&R nt |
Balderdash |
Jun-09-09 09:33 AM |
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I am over Obama and his "promise" to stop DADT |
meowomon |
Jun-09-09 09:36 AM |
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HEAR!! HEAR!! A toast to toasterlad for an excellent OP. Recommend. |
bertman |
Jun-09-09 09:36 AM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Jun-09-09 09:54 AM |
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Get that lad a big ol' toaster! |
foxfeet |
Jun-09-09 10:04 AM |
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This thread goes to 11, and beyond.... |
SacredCow |
Jun-09-09 10:33 AM |
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Obama never showed leadership before |
zalinda |
Jun-09-09 10:37 AM |
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Where is the push from the Senate or House on this? |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-09-09 11:47 AM |
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Doesn't some large percentage of legislation originate in the White House? Or just on West Wing? |
imdjh |
Jun-09-09 11:55 AM |
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That was the West Wing (and W)) |
TheBigotBasher |
Jun-09-09 01:11 PM |
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Gays Scapegoated by the GOP |
jeremyfive |
Jun-09-09 10:46 AM |
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K&R! |
William769 |
Jun-09-09 10:52 AM |
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my heart breaks |
undergroundnomore |
Jun-09-09 11:12 AM |
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Damned fine posting, Toasterlad! Damned fine. |
Raster |
Jun-09-09 11:16 AM |
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Good for you! Well done! |
joeybee12 |
Jun-09-09 11:22 AM |
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Outstanding post. K and R! |
riderinthestorm |
Jun-09-09 11:22 AM |
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And if he does it on his timetable and not yours, will it still count? I hope so. nt |
quiet.american |
Jun-09-09 11:28 AM |
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240 service members FIRED since Obama took office. How about THEIR timetable? |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 11:29 AM |
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I'm former USAF and there's one thing that's clear when you're in the military -- |
quiet.american |
Jun-09-09 11:35 AM |
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A good reason for Obama to show some leadership & sign an executive order |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 11:37 AM |
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I still think that two active wars and the current political environment is not being considered. |
quiet.american |
Jun-09-09 11:40 AM |
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2 active wars is how he could justify it. But proceed with your smug dismissal. |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 11:42 AM |
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And I suppose "adieu" doesn't qualify as smug. :) nt |
quiet.american |
Jun-09-09 11:45 AM |
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I'm trying to politely leave the conversation as I have to work. You would prefer FU? |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 11:47 AM |
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If I weren't, the conversations here certainly wouldn't make me into one. |
quiet.american |
Jun-09-09 11:52 AM |
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We're losing good qualified people due to this insanity during "two active wars." |
Lex |
Jun-09-09 11:50 AM |
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Dealing with internal military culture, I suspect, is a big part of Obama's considerations. |
quiet.american |
Jun-09-09 11:55 AM |
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Then, maybe he needs to kick some serious ass in the "military culture" |
nichomachus |
Jun-09-09 12:12 PM |
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Your argument, when you break it down, is that our military |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-09-09 01:11 PM |
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Having been in the military, I say that the military can handle it |
Creideiki |
Jun-09-09 10:32 PM |
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What? Like a coup? |
MNBrewer |
Jun-09-09 11:07 PM |
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Rage vs. blind trust |
zipplewrath |
Jun-09-09 12:21 PM |
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+1 |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 07:12 PM |
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"because I wanted to feel like a human being with rights again." |
Forkboy |
Jun-09-09 11:54 AM |
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Indeed. |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 07:59 PM |
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I'm former US Army, and you're full of shit. |
Touchdown |
Jun-09-09 03:22 PM |
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I celebrated the day I was promoted to ... |
followthemoney |
Jun-09-09 04:34 PM |
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Would you want your rights subject to someone else's time table? |
dflprincess |
Jun-09-09 12:51 PM |
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Thank you |
LostinVA |
Jun-09-09 03:25 PM |
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Waiting on YOUR Rights? |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 06:16 PM |
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No. They'll start another one of these threads bitching that he took too long. |
liquid diamond |
Jun-09-09 09:21 PM |
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What rights can we take away from YOU, bigmouth? |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 09:28 PM |
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Obama hasn't taken your fucking rights. DADT was enacted |
liquid diamond |
Jun-09-09 09:51 PM |
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I suggest you butt out of our struggle. You're no ally. |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 09:52 PM |
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I'm no ally because I don't expect Obama to overturn DADT in |
liquid diamond |
Jun-09-09 10:04 PM |
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'Others here feel the same way I do.' - OK sockpuppet |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 10:23 PM |
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"Patience is a virtue" |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 09:53 PM |
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my "fucking" rights |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 09:54 PM |
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Self Delete. |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 10:02 PM |
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You are way over the top. Take several deep breaths before |
liquid diamond |
Jun-09-09 10:07 PM |
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You Know What? You're Right. |
Toasterlad |
Jun-09-09 10:09 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-09-09 10:20 PM |
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You certainly are full of poutrage, aren't you? |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Jun-09-09 10:22 PM |
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i wonder whose sockpuppet you are, chicken shit? |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 10:24 PM |
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You Sir do not seem to understand the concept "equal liberty for all" |
Dragonfli |
Jun-09-09 10:30 PM |
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Pony? Oh, you are a clever and original one, aren't you? LOL. |
Lex |
Jun-09-09 10:37 PM |
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+1 |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Jun-09-09 10:22 PM |
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I'm always curious when I see a sockpuppet: |
Creideiki |
Jun-09-09 10:29 PM |
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Gosh, I will so listen to you -- enjoy your (hoepfully short) stay |
LostinVA |
Jun-10-09 08:13 AM |
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wow you came into a thread about equal rights |
ruggerson |
Jun-09-09 11:54 PM |
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K&R |
Torn_Scorned_Ignored |
Jun-09-09 11:29 AM |
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Happy to K&R this one. |
Forkboy |
Jun-09-09 11:51 AM |
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Beautiful. Enthusiastically recommended! |
Duncan Grant |
Jun-09-09 12:25 PM |
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I think that people who are willing to give Obama a pass on inaction |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-09-09 12:48 PM |
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K&R and and Grand Salute!! |
keepCAblue |
Jun-09-09 01:06 PM |
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K&R |
RetroLounge |
Jun-09-09 01:31 PM |
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Personally I think all LGBT people should join the other war resisters and fight DADT simultaneously |
readmoreoften |
Jun-09-09 04:21 PM |
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Recommended. And pleased that so many others agree. |
RufusH |
Jun-09-09 04:24 PM |
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Too much consensus. Not enough confrontation. n/y |
followthemoney |
Jun-09-09 04:29 PM |
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Toasterlad |
jhrobbins |
Jun-09-09 04:58 PM |
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Great points! |
AntiFascist |
Jun-09-09 06:10 PM |
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Right On! |
Noorvik |
Jun-09-09 07:29 PM |
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K & R. nt. |
LWolf |
Jun-09-09 07:32 PM |
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but, but, he has important things to do |
mitchtv |
Jun-09-09 10:13 PM |
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That's EXACTLY what someone upthread did say! |
Bluebear |
Jun-09-09 10:24 PM |
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I was so disappointed in Obama |
farmboxer |
Jun-09-09 11:16 PM |
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I'll K&R this. |
arcadian |
Jun-09-09 11:28 PM |
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k and r |
Wetzelbill |
Jun-09-09 11:59 PM |
#134 |
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We expect LEADERSHIP. We are entitled to it. |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-10-09 01:12 AM |
#136 |
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Obama's silence on this issue is damning - and defining. And there is no excuse. |
solstice |
Jun-10-09 08:25 AM |
#138 |
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