| 113. So, the Obama/Democratic plan is to mandate that everybody above a certain income bracket |
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Buys a health insurance plan from a corporate provider. Hmm, that's going to jack prices through the roof now isn't it. Obama is essentially handing a monopoly over to the insurance industry and punishing those who refuse to participate.
This is insanity! This is nothing more than Obama and the Democrats pimping for the insurance corporations. Does Obama want to be just a four year president? One has to wonder because the actions he's taken so far are pissing off a number of people, enough that it could cost him the election, especially if he continues in the direction he's currently heading.
More work of the two party/same corporate master system of government.
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| -Good god! So if you don't BUY health insurance, you get FINED!!??? WTF!!!??? |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 06:36 PM |
#0 |
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Oh, don't worry, the fines will be on a sliding scale, based on your ability to pay. |
billyoc |
Jun-08-09 06:38 PM |
#1 |
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Actually, if you read Kennedy's draft bill they will be, n/t |
Ms. Toad |
Jun-08-09 10:17 PM |
#85 |
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Right. And that sliding scale knows how much of that income is 'disposable' |
Matariki |
Jun-09-09 10:01 AM |
#135 |
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whereas in other countries there is nationalized care, not nationalized insurance |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Jun-08-09 11:39 PM |
#98 |
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But in other countries the people pay TAXES to support their health care so |
CTyankee |
Jun-09-09 08:00 AM |
#123 |
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I have no problem paying extra taxes |
GreenArrow |
Jun-09-09 08:26 AM |
#126 |
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I agree with you. But I got the impression with most, not all, posters on this thread |
CTyankee |
Jun-09-09 08:33 AM |
#130 |
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They don't get it for free, but they pay per capita on average just |
Fool Count |
Jun-09-09 09:25 AM |
#132 |
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welcome to DU! |
renate |
Jun-09-09 09:27 AM |
#133 |
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"Nobody says that health care can come for free." |
CTyankee |
Jun-09-09 09:49 AM |
#134 |
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They don't want free health care, they want someone rich to pay for them. |
dkf |
Jun-09-09 11:12 AM |
#152 |
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Classic straw man. |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-09-09 11:14 AM |
#153 |
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Will my jail sentence be lowered on scale based on how claustrophobic I am? |
shadowknows69 |
Jun-09-09 06:11 AM |
#108 |
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maybe in jail you could be treated for that. |
Iris |
Jun-09-09 12:44 PM |
#169 |
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Don't worry, debtors' prison is up to 14% nicer than regular prison |
spoony |
Jun-09-09 03:03 PM |
#182 |
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Yay, double fucking plus good. |
shadowknows69 |
Jun-09-09 10:57 PM |
#194 |
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it's CHANGE, baby!! |
Skittles |
Jun-08-09 06:39 PM |
#2 |
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misinformation FAIL |
Teaser |
Jun-08-09 06:40 PM |
#6 |
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She will KICK YOUR ASS. |
Bluebear |
Jun-08-09 06:43 PM |
#12 |
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sucking insurance ass is not misinformation |
Skittles |
Jun-08-09 07:21 PM |
#37 |
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Care to adumbrate something really pointless, like |
Deja Q |
Jun-09-09 12:08 PM |
#161 |
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Yes We Can!!! |
Old Hob |
Jun-08-09 11:21 PM |
#94 |
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Can't afford insurance, won't be able to afford fine |
AnOhioan |
Jun-08-09 06:39 PM |
#3 |
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So you go to jail and get medical care there I guess. |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 06:39 PM |
#4 |
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And 3 squares a day...at this rate, not a bad option. |
AnOhioan |
Jun-08-09 06:40 PM |
#8 |
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Nope. Read this Prison blues: States slimming down inmate meals ( no breakfast for ex.) |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-08-09 06:50 PM |
#19 |
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If you want a nicer jail experience, |
elehhhhna |
Jun-09-09 05:09 PM |
#185 |
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lol! Recent article (5/28) Netherlands Prisons Closing For Lack Of Criminals. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-10-09 08:29 AM |
#196 |
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And there we are. Can't pay the fine, go to jail, and we have people imprisoned for poverty. |
Greyhound |
Jun-08-09 07:12 PM |
#30 |
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We don't need to jail them. Just execute them and decrease the surplus population. |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 07:51 PM |
#44 |
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More cheap prison labor! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jun-09-09 10:06 AM |
#138 |
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or Soylent Green. |
Kablooie |
Jun-09-09 10:59 PM |
#195 |
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But if the turnip hits you hard enough, it can get blood from you. |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 07:52 PM |
#45 |
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Don't give them any ideas. I can see it now, the latest in crowd control, |
Greyhound |
Jun-08-09 10:15 PM |
#83 |
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What I heard from MA was that the fine was often cheaper than insurance so people paid the fine |
JVS |
Jun-09-09 12:36 PM |
#166 |
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Sounds like the Massachusetts program. |
TheCowsCameHome |
Jun-08-09 06:40 PM |
#5 |
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I was told, but do not have sources yet, that the Mass progam has been a big failure |
Political Heretic |
Jun-08-09 10:00 PM |
#70 |
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The Mass system |
ProudDad |
Jun-09-09 12:29 AM |
#100 |
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..and the fines for haVING NO AUTO INSURANCE? How's that working out? LOL |
elehhhhna |
Jun-09-09 05:11 PM |
#186 |
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It is at least some better than the Mass plan. |
Ms. Toad |
Jun-08-09 10:21 PM |
#89 |
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That would be Mitt Romney's pet Massachusetts program? |
KamaAina |
Jun-09-09 08:30 AM |
#128 |
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Yes, that very one. |
TheCowsCameHome |
Jun-09-09 12:51 PM |
#170 |
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I was afraid of this. |
Chemisse |
Jun-08-09 06:40 PM |
#7 |
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Yeah, both Clinton and Edwards nt |
Adelante |
Jun-09-09 07:09 AM |
#112 |
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None of the "allowed" "reform" plans are worth a damn |
DJ13 |
Jun-08-09 06:41 PM |
#9 |
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Plus they got theirs w/ Medicare part D. They need to |
elehhhhna |
Jun-09-09 05:16 PM |
#187 |
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Buy health insurance? Okay how poor can you be before the government |
jwirr |
Jun-08-09 06:41 PM |
#10 |
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$16,500 for an individual; $33,000 for a family of four |
sandnsea |
Jun-08-09 07:04 PM |
#24 |
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If this is what we are forced to take those figures should be much higher. |
jwirr |
Jun-08-09 07:09 PM |
#26 |
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I wish. And medicare isn't income based |
sandnsea |
Jun-08-09 07:14 PM |
#33 |
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I didn't support Hillary, and this is one of the reasons |
Yo_Mama |
Jun-08-09 07:23 PM |
#38 |
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This is such bullshit. Mandates like this never accurately get "affordable" right. |
Political Heretic |
Jun-08-09 10:01 PM |
#71 |
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Great. And $33,000 in Iowa is a WHOLE LOT MORE money than $33k in San Francisco |
Matariki |
Jun-09-09 10:04 AM |
#136 |
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They make those adjustments with food stamps etc. |
sandnsea |
Jun-09-09 12:12 PM |
#163 |
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Will they make adjustments for people with large debt, housing costs |
Matariki |
Jun-09-09 02:42 PM |
#177 |
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Will they for single payer? |
sandnsea |
Jun-09-09 02:45 PM |
#178 |
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I get your point - it has to payed for somehow |
Matariki |
Jun-09-09 02:52 PM |
#180 |
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If they're going to implement a confiscatory policy, |
elehhhhna |
Jun-09-09 05:30 PM |
#188 |
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I agree with you completely. |
Matariki |
Jun-09-09 05:54 PM |
#191 |
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If they're going to implement a confiscatory policy, |
elehhhhna |
Jun-09-09 05:30 PM |
#189 |
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$16,500 for an individual? |
Raineyb |
Jun-09-09 10:58 AM |
#145 |
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lol, it's twice what it is now |
sandnsea |
Jun-09-09 12:10 PM |
#162 |
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In the Kennedy plan |
Ms. Toad |
Jun-08-09 10:23 PM |
#90 |
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Wow |
bluestateguy |
Jun-08-09 06:41 PM |
#11 |
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Oh yeah. I was so upset I forgot to add a link. |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 06:54 PM |
#20 |
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Every day the insult to working and sick people gets worse and worse. n/t |
Cleita |
Jun-08-09 06:43 PM |
#13 |
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I believe you so far but please provide sources |
JonLP24 |
Jun-08-09 06:46 PM |
#14 |
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Here you go. I forgot because I was upset. |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 06:55 PM |
#21 |
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Can't afford mandated car insurance? Walk! Can't afford mandated health insurance? DIE! |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-08-09 06:49 PM |
#15 |
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Lol - what do people who don't work have for insurance now? |
HughMoran |
Jun-08-09 07:12 PM |
#31 |
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Duh. But they aren't criminalized for being indigent. |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-08-09 07:17 PM |
#36 |
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Look, I didn't start this |
HughMoran |
Jun-08-09 07:38 PM |
#42 |
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Well, do you pay taxes? If not, to whom do you complain? |
CTyankee |
Jun-09-09 08:09 AM |
#124 |
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Always difficult to sell economics of helping people, worse now in bad times. |
MarjorieG |
Jun-08-09 06:50 PM |
#16 |
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All we have to do is to spend most of our current health care dollars on CARE |
eridani |
Jun-08-09 07:57 PM |
#49 |
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that's what bad times are for. to convince you the safety net is too expensive. |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-09-09 06:08 AM |
#107 |
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This sounds like bullshit that is put out there in the quest to not give us affortable healthcare |
madokie |
Jun-08-09 06:50 PM |
#17 |
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Gotta keep fattening up those insurance companies |
Individualist |
Jun-08-09 06:50 PM |
#18 |
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And keep the "contributions" (aka bribes) flowing into those campaigns (eom) |
dflprincess |
Jun-08-09 09:41 PM |
#64 |
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I will gladly buy health insurance |
handmade34 |
Jun-08-09 06:58 PM |
#22 |
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Exactly. |
diamidue |
Jun-08-09 08:28 PM |
#52 |
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You are dreaming of times when government actually had fiscal responsibility |
nolabels |
Jun-08-09 10:24 PM |
#91 |
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I support it fully... |
kirby |
Jun-08-09 06:59 PM |
#23 |
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Finally... |
sendero |
Jun-08-09 08:46 PM |
#58 |
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If it's a tax then everyone needs to pay a flat amount and receive equivilent service. |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 10:03 PM |
#73 |
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Well... |
sendero |
Jun-09-09 06:30 AM |
#109 |
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Including Congresscritters! As you stated, everyone needs to pay a flat amount |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jun-09-09 10:16 AM |
#141 |
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Here's the rub. We're paying for profit middle men. |
mmonk |
Jun-08-09 10:03 PM |
#72 |
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I don't support it fully - but am willing to live with it |
Ms. Toad |
Jun-08-09 10:27 PM |
#92 |
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But but that sounds like ...socialism!!!!!!!!!!!! |
madmom |
Jun-09-09 10:15 AM |
#140 |
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Thank Hillary, Krugman, Edwards, et al |
sandnsea |
Jun-08-09 07:05 PM |
#25 |
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Because, God knows, |
dflprincess |
Jun-08-09 09:54 PM |
#68 |
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. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jun-09-09 10:17 AM |
#142 |
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Ewards also pushed for a full public plan availalbe to anyone who wanted it |
Political Heretic |
Jun-08-09 10:03 PM |
#74 |
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Get a grip. What does "universal" mean to you? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-08-09 07:09 PM |
#27 |
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And don't forget about those Cadillac driving welfare queens and their relatives, |
Greyhound |
Jun-08-09 07:15 PM |
#34 |
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It's The Healthcare CEO Pocket Lining Act of 2009 |
WeDidIt |
Jun-08-09 07:11 PM |
#28 |
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An outrage! It should be paid by taxes, which are, after all, optional. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-08-09 07:12 PM |
#29 |
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Heh |
HughMoran |
Jun-08-09 07:13 PM |
#32 |
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If a "health care" tax was based on taxable income off the 1040 form |
dflprincess |
Jun-08-09 09:45 PM |
#65 |
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Thats just plan evil..nt |
and-justice-for-all |
Jun-08-09 07:15 PM |
#35 |
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The only way healthcare can work for everyone is if eveyone is invested in the system |
Maru Kitteh |
Jun-08-09 07:24 PM |
#39 |
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But if it's going to be mandatory for everyone to be invested in the system |
Telly Savalas |
Jun-08-09 07:54 PM |
#47 |
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But I make a profit of three and a quarter cents |
bat country |
Jun-09-09 02:16 PM |
#174 |
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Wow, I was worried there for a second. |
Tim01 |
Jun-08-09 07:24 PM |
#40 |
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Okay, so we've solved the "not everyone has insurance" problem. |
kcass1954 |
Jun-08-09 07:38 PM |
#41 |
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That's true. Insurance companies often cancel the policy if the bills are too high. |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 07:50 PM |
#43 |
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This was a RW talking point during the election. It was a misrepresentation then |
FSogol |
Jun-08-09 07:54 PM |
#46 |
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This is going to make a lot of people angry..people currently scraping by |
lostnfound |
Jun-08-09 07:54 PM |
#48 |
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Government forcing people to spend money? |
SnoopDog |
Jun-08-09 08:07 PM |
#50 |
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And it's not like requiring auto insurance. Driving an auto is a privilege, not a right. |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 10:05 PM |
#75 |
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Your taxes force you to "buy" armed forces to protect the country, public schools, police |
CTyankee |
Jun-09-09 08:42 AM |
#131 |
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No - your analogy in not valid... |
SnoopDog |
Jun-09-09 02:37 PM |
#176 |
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As a Medicare recipient I was "ordered" to pay $94 (deducted from my monthly SS check) |
CTyankee |
Jun-09-09 02:52 PM |
#179 |
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Yeah. You can't afford health insurance but you sure as hell |
Fire1 |
Jun-08-09 08:08 PM |
#51 |
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THIS is why I was never big on the whole "health care reform" nonsense. |
InvisibleTouch |
Jun-08-09 08:35 PM |
#53 |
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You take your chances, but don't show up at the emergency room. |
olegramps |
Jun-09-09 07:08 AM |
#111 |
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You don't know me nearly well enough to make that assertion. |
InvisibleTouch |
Jun-09-09 07:42 PM |
#193 |
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What do you expect from full coverage? Everybody plays so everybody pays. |
stray cat |
Jun-08-09 08:36 PM |
#54 |
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"Waivers would be available for those who could not cover the cost of insurance." |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-08-09 08:39 PM |
#55 |
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Yet they don't tell us who gets to decide you can't afford it |
dflprincess |
Jun-08-09 09:47 PM |
#66 |
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Excuse me... |
femrap |
Jun-08-09 08:39 PM |
#56 |
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It's what John Edwards was saying |
GreenArrow |
Jun-08-09 09:22 PM |
#63 |
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Democrats shooting themselves in the foot AGAIN! |
Kansas Wyatt |
Jun-08-09 08:46 PM |
#57 |
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It's a tax, no? |
donco6 |
Jun-08-09 08:48 PM |
#59 |
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Sounds like a tax to me. |
Swede |
Jun-08-09 08:51 PM |
#61 |
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Got me. |
donco6 |
Jun-08-09 09:16 PM |
#62 |
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No. A tax would insure equivilent coverage for all. Companies just cover what the want. |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 10:07 PM |
#77 |
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Taxes are paid to the government.. |
Fumesucker |
Jun-08-09 11:22 PM |
#95 |
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I see. |
donco6 |
Jun-08-09 11:27 PM |
#96 |
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No, what is being described is not a tax. |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-09-09 11:24 AM |
#155 |
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So we'll be forced to subsidize insurance company profits? |
jtrockville |
Jun-08-09 08:50 PM |
#60 |
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That's where the reform comes in |
dflprincess |
Jun-08-09 09:49 PM |
#67 |
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Actually that part isn't true |
sandnsea |
Jun-08-09 11:16 PM |
#93 |
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Thank you for your voice of sanity in this thread. |
CTyankee |
Jun-09-09 08:14 AM |
#125 |
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People are not whining about having to pay |
dflprincess |
Jun-09-09 12:03 PM |
#160 |
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Your analysis is very good and makes sense. I wasn't talking about you. |
CTyankee |
Jun-09-09 01:05 PM |
#171 |
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People who can't afford to pay will have waivers - this is ALWAYS SUCH BULLSHIT |
Political Heretic |
Jun-08-09 09:59 PM |
#69 |
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Sure why not!? You have to have insurance for your car now |
Rex |
Jun-08-09 10:06 PM |
#76 |
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No. A driving a car is a privilege. You don't have to do it. Medical care is not a privilege. |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 10:09 PM |
#78 |
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Not really a privilege if you have to get to work with a car. |
Rex |
Jun-08-09 10:10 PM |
#81 |
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It is, so you can lose your license as a punishment. The gov can't stop med care to punish. |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 10:15 PM |
#82 |
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What is to stop them from taking away your license if you have no |
Rex |
Jun-08-09 10:17 PM |
#88 |
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For a lot of people, driving to work is a necessity, simply because car companies junked the trolley |
Selatius |
Jun-09-09 12:40 AM |
#103 |
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Entirely too many Americans are skipping out on their patriotic duty |
Fumesucker |
Jun-08-09 10:10 PM |
#79 |
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That's the spirit! That's the Ameriken way! Yeah! |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 10:16 PM |
#84 |
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And I trust you more than the Democrats why? |
gulliver |
Jun-08-09 10:10 PM |
#80 |
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You trust me? Why ... I'm flattered. |
Kablooie |
Jun-08-09 10:17 PM |
#86 |
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Given the choice between trusting a random stranger and an elected Democratic politician? |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-09-09 11:03 AM |
#147 |
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You've got a point there. |
Kablooie |
Jun-09-09 11:04 AM |
#148 |
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Because the OP has never sold you down the river... |
spoony |
Jun-09-09 03:05 PM |
#183 |
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Sounds like even more incentive to lie about income on your returns |
Rex_Goodheart |
Jun-08-09 10:17 PM |
#87 |
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Wow- the worst of all possible plans. Amazing. |
Marr |
Jun-08-09 11:35 PM |
#97 |
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I don't like it |
ProudDad |
Jun-09-09 12:27 AM |
#99 |
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Ha ha if this passes think I'll lose my job? |
rachelle-laughlin |
Jun-09-09 06:08 AM |
#106 |
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It's not about your job, regardless of what you do. |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jun-09-09 07:43 AM |
#119 |
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You will just have to raise your prices to match the new govt. regulated standards. |
Kablooie |
Jun-09-09 11:07 AM |
#149 |
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Welcome to DU! |
Strong Atheist |
Jun-09-09 01:50 PM |
#173 |
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11. CEOs compensation limited to 250,000. |
olegramps |
Jun-09-09 07:18 AM |
#114 |
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If I remember right, there are pieces of what you have listed already under |
CTyankee |
Jun-09-09 02:22 PM |
#175 |
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What a clusterfuck. Hopefully this plan will fail to pass. It's starting to make the status quo... |
JVS |
Jun-09-09 12:32 AM |
#101 |
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Comparatively, the status quo IS more acceptable |
eridani |
Jun-09-09 06:04 AM |
#105 |
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Capitalism is great for delivering us Pet Rocks, but NOT Healthcare |
leftstreet |
Jun-09-09 12:36 AM |
#102 |
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good its just like car insurance |
democracy1st |
Jun-09-09 01:53 AM |
#104 |
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So, we're bringing back Debtor's Prison instead of having Universal Health Care. |
TexasObserver |
Jun-09-09 07:04 AM |
#110 |
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Yep back to the 19th c. And all to avoid saying that healthcare is a right |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-09-09 10:38 AM |
#144 |
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So, the Obama/Democratic plan is to mandate that everybody above a certain income bracket |
MadHound |
Jun-09-09 07:15 AM |
#113 |
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Something tells me the health insurance companies love this plan |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jun-09-09 07:23 AM |
#115 |
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Nah, they'll do the same thing that they did this year |
MadHound |
Jun-09-09 07:38 AM |
#117 |
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He's already lost most of the far left |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jun-09-09 07:42 AM |
#118 |
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The far left is not that powerful or that large |
merh |
Jun-09-09 10:10 AM |
#139 |
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But it's full of worker bees |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jun-09-09 11:53 AM |
#158 |
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That's true. |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Jun-09-09 01:44 PM |
#172 |
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Only if the "far left" is stupid. |
Dawgs |
Jun-09-09 12:42 PM |
#168 |
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In 2000 a lot of them voted for Nader |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jun-09-09 04:19 PM |
#184 |
| -
You do realize that when it comes to Korporate USAmerika |
ProudDad |
Jun-10-09 02:09 PM |
#197 |
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"Does Obama want to just be a four year president?" I think that was the plan all along. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jun-09-09 10:24 AM |
#143 |
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We're all becoming indentured servants to the corporations. n/t |
Ganja Ninja |
Jun-09-09 07:23 AM |
#116 |
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Mandate, no public option, health savings accounts, perfect for all corporate overlords |
newportdadde |
Jun-09-09 07:49 AM |
#120 |
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The administration and the insurance industry |
blindpig |
Jun-09-09 07:55 AM |
#121 |
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K&R. nt |
raccoon |
Jun-09-09 07:56 AM |
#122 |
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This is bogus |
cagesoulman |
Jun-09-09 08:28 AM |
#127 |
| -
Who did you think was going to pay for it? |
bridgit |
Jun-09-09 08:32 AM |
#129 |
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All the plans will be full of problems |
ecstatic |
Jun-09-09 10:05 AM |
#137 |
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So, force people to buy a plan that either they can't afford, or isn't accepted anywhere. |
mainegreen |
Jun-09-09 11:02 AM |
#146 |
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He's not even trying is he? But he sure gives great speeches! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jun-09-09 11:10 AM |
#151 |
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So the poorer neighborhoods will be filled with people with no insurance AND owe fines. |
Kablooie |
Jun-09-09 11:09 AM |
#150 |
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What part of "mandate" don't you understand? |
johnaries |
Jun-09-09 11:21 AM |
#154 |
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Man date is is a very controversial subject for some. |
Kablooie |
Jun-09-09 11:33 AM |
#156 |
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It's what we've been doing with auto insurance for years. (nt) |
ehrnst |
Jun-09-09 11:41 AM |
#157 |
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look for repugs to make BIG gains in the house/senate in 2010. |
dysfunctional press |
Jun-09-09 11:55 AM |
#159 |
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It's the same approach the industry/government took with uninsured car drivers... |
KansDem |
Jun-09-09 12:16 PM |
#164 |
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But if you don't have a car, you don't get a fine. Not like this. |
Kablooie |
Jun-09-09 12:33 PM |
#165 |
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Hey, you're right! |
KansDem |
Jun-09-09 12:41 PM |
#167 |
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Well, you can analogize this to current Medicare law. You are REQUIRED to have $94 |
CTyankee |
Jun-09-09 03:00 PM |
#181 |
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Its the kind their MASTERS want |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jun-09-09 05:34 PM |
#190 |
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Change you can believe in. |
Thothmes |
Jun-09-09 06:51 PM |
#192 |
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