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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #174
180. Then just state your case.
And try to keep the snark at a minimum.

I would love reading a post you wrote that actually did that.

I am so tired of DUers taking stabs at other groups of DUers because of their position on issues. You disagree, great...but do you have to make fun of people for it? Do you have to treat them as a monolithic entity and take swipes at them in their absence?

State their position if you must, and then knock it down. your post reads like an Us vs. Them, and that bothers me when such a scenario features members of this community.

Sorry I cursed....I sincerely apologize for that because I rarely do it, and I should practice what I preach.

Now, for the record, yes, I am against treating child offenders like adults. I recognize that our juvenile system needs to be retooled to handle violent offenders better so they do not repopulate into society too quickly after violence, but I still think that a kid committing a crime should have a separate judicial system as adults do.

But my disagreement on the issues is not what made me lash was the snark. Sorry about that, but I do stand behind the reasons why I acted out.
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  -Teens Charged As Adults In Sex Assault The Straight Story  Jun-03-09 11:40 AM   #0 
  - Good  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Jun-03-09 11:41 AM   #1 
  - Feel Better Now?  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 11:45 AM   #2 
     - they ananlly raped a kid with sticks  lies and propaganda   Jun-03-09 11:48 AM   #3 
     - did they? you know this how?  paulsby   Jun-03-09 01:30 PM   #43 
     - uh... Say what, now?  Chulanowa   Jun-03-09 01:36 PM   #48 
     - cut the strawmen crap  paulsby   Jun-03-09 01:47 PM   #58 
        - It's not a straw man  Chulanowa   Jun-03-09 02:09 PM   #69 
           - it IS a strawman  paulsby   Jun-03-09 02:13 PM   #71 
              - It was a rape  Chulanowa   Jun-03-09 02:55 PM   #122 
     - It says right in the OP that they sodomized the boy, after torturing him  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 01:46 PM   #55 
     - no, it doesn't  paulsby   Jun-03-09 02:03 PM   #65 
        - Yes, it does -- wtf do you think that means?  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:04 PM   #66 
           - so you admit you are wrong  paulsby   Jun-03-09 02:09 PM   #70 
           - No, I didn't admit anything of teh kind -- it's being called a rape  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:30 PM   #77 
              - false  paulsby   Jun-03-09 02:33 PM   #81 
                 - Are you on shrooms or something???  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:34 PM   #84 
                 - i have no idea whether he was sodomized or not  paulsby   Jun-03-09 02:37 PM   #88 
                    - Yes, yes was sodomized -- he DOESN'T HAVE A VAGINA  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:42 PM   #94 
                    - penetration of the mouth  paulsby   Jun-03-09 02:43 PM   #101 
                       - I know -- sodomy, which is what I said  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:45 PM   #104 
                    - He was sexually assaulted by putting a hockey stick in his mouth?  uppityperson   Jun-03-09 03:00 PM   #133 
                 - come on get real it's pretty clear they are talking sodomy here.  WI_DEM   Jun-03-09 03:48 PM   #165 
           - Maybe they just made him masturbate with the stick. See? (sarcasm)  uppityperson   Jun-03-09 02:59 PM   #132 
     - I'm confused - what exactly did you think they did?  TrogL   Jun-03-09 02:00 PM   #64 
     - i don't know specifically WHAT they did  paulsby   Jun-03-09 02:07 PM   #67 
        - You like to parse words don't you? so you think simple assault would get them 30 years?  Javaman   Jun-03-09 02:28 PM   #74 
        - i;m not trying to justify anything  paulsby   Jun-03-09 02:39 PM   #91 
        - I saw no " backpedaling, obfuscations, strawmen and assumptions"  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:44 PM   #102 
           - and i keep trying to explain to you  paulsby   Jun-03-09 02:49 PM   # 
              - What's wrong with you?  Dogtown   Jun-03-09 03:11 PM   #140 
              - man, you really need to find the clue phone fast, it's ringing only for you.  Javaman   Jun-03-09 03:14 PM   #144 
        - could also be the legal definition of rape  TorchTheWitch   Jun-03-09 03:48 PM   #163 
        - No, you are WRONG  WildEyedLiberal   Jun-03-09 02:43 PM   #100 
        - Grabbing breast  TransitJohn   Jun-03-09 03:03 PM   #135 
           - Legally, that would be sexual abuse  WildEyedLiberal   Jun-03-09 03:10 PM   #139 
           - "Sexual battery" in Georgia  Dogtown   Jun-03-09 03:14 PM   #145 
              - Pfffft.  TransitJohn   Jun-03-09 03:18 PM   #146 
                 - That answers my question  Dogtown   Jun-03-09 03:42 PM   #159 
        - Why even bother to make the distinction  TrogL   Jun-03-09 03:33 PM   #154 
     - FYI - IN FLORIDA IT'S NOT CALLED RAPE, IT'S CALLED SEXUAL ASSAULT. carry on. eom  ellenfl   Jun-03-09 02:27 PM   #73 
     - It is in most places now, because that covers more "incidents" than "rape"  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:32 PM   #80 
     - well, it doesnt say they beat him with it  lies and propaganda   Jun-03-09 03:13 PM   #141 
     - You think they WON'T get raped in jail?  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:31 PM   #78 
        - They won't raped there any more than in Juvie  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:35 PM   #85 
        - No,. but i also didnt act like they rape THEY commited  lies and propaganda   Jun-03-09 03:13 PM   #143 
     - Dupe  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Jun-03-09 11:48 AM   # 
     - Keep them in juvie until they're 18 and send them to grown up prison then  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Jun-03-09 11:48 AM   #4 
     - for some DUers, someone 17 years, 364 days, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds old is completely innocent  FLAprogressive   Jun-03-09 12:19 PM   #19 
        - Yeah, and that's just absurd  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Jun-03-09 12:24 PM   #22 
        - I know -- a sociopath is a socipath at any age  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 01:46 PM   #57 
     - They committed an adult crime  WeDidIt   Jun-03-09 11:49 AM   #5 
     - Basically hard to say this was anything other than a deliberate and malicious act  Mike Daniels   Jun-03-09 12:25 PM   #23 
     - So you don't think any distinction should be made between child offenders and adult offenders?  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:31 PM   #79 
        - I personally don't think there should be for certain premeditated crimes  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:46 PM   #106 
        - Most of the time, yes.  WeDidIt   Jun-03-09 02:49 PM   #113 
        - I don't see how in this case it makes a difference in terms of penalty  Mike Daniels   Jun-03-09 02:52 PM   #119 
        - Are you saying they didn't know what they did is wrong?  mamaleah   Jun-03-09 09:59 PM   #183 
     - do i hear a 'boys will be boys' in there somewhere?  ellenfl   Jun-03-09 11:50 AM   #7 
     - No, you don't. Unless you decide to ascribe it to me.  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:33 PM   #82 
        - You brought that up  Dogtown   Jun-03-09 02:49 PM   #114 
        - Why do you keep accusing others of desiring prison rape?  uppityperson   Jun-03-09 03:02 PM   #134 
        - As per your own line of questioning...  LanternWaste   Jun-04-09 12:31 PM   #187 
     - Congratulate them. They chose behavior that EMANCIPATED themselves.  TahitiNut   Jun-03-09 11:52 AM   #9 
     - Oh, my. Your subject line brilliantly says it all. I agree.  pacalo   Jun-03-09 01:49 PM   #61 
     - What do you think is likely to happen to a fourteen or fifteen year old put in prison?  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:35 PM   #86 
        - A 15-year-old rapist is a rapist, not a misunderstood kid  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:47 PM   #108 
        - That's a DIFFERENT problem. Fix that problem separately.  TahitiNut   Jun-03-09 02:47 PM   #109 
        - Sadly, people who commit crimes generally don't think...  Javaman   Jun-03-09 03:19 PM   #147 
     - Ummmm......  Coyote_Bandit   Jun-03-09 11:53 AM   #10 
     - Ummmmmm....You DO understand the difference between saying,  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:36 PM   #87 
        - Do you? If convicted they will be put in a juvenile facility until they reach adult  walldude   Jun-03-09 02:43 PM   #99 
     - What's your solution?  dgibby   Jun-03-09 12:12 PM   #14 
     - Probably a "time out" and no dessert.  TahitiNut   Jun-03-09 12:13 PM   #15 
     - You crack me up! Thanks, I needed a good laugh today!  dgibby   Jun-03-09 12:26 PM   #24 
     - Little too harsh. No desert would do.  olegramps   Jun-03-09 03:13 PM   #142 
     - No dessert? You barbarian!  mamaleah   Jun-03-09 10:01 PM   #184 
     - It's time to look forward -- not back  nichomachus   Jun-03-09 01:28 PM   #42 
     - Prosecute juveniles as juveniles.  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:37 PM   #89 
     - Did the kid they tortured feel good?  Butch350   Jun-03-09 12:20 PM   #20 
     - No, they should not merely give the bullies "a strong talking to."  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:38 PM   #90 
        - So, two years in juvie for multiple rape, so they can gte out and rape again  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:49 PM   #112 
     - does the idea of them...  VelmaD   Jun-03-09 12:57 PM   #33 
     - Nope. Which is why I think rape should be prevented in both adult prisons  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:40 PM   #92 
     - Nice job with the Bitch-and-Run.  Ignis   Jun-03-09 01:18 PM   #37 
     - I'm right here.  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:41 PM   #93 
        - Hey, welcome back!  Ignis   Jun-03-09 03:33 PM   #153 
     - They are old enough to know better  Dappleganger   Jun-03-09 01:24 PM   #40 
     - So if the fourteen year old had "consented" to sex with an adult,  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:42 PM   #95 
        - That is a total strawman, which you know  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:49 PM   #116 
     - Well, my sins are pretty tiny compared to theirs  WildEyedLiberal   Jun-03-09 01:28 PM   #41 
     - How very commendable of you.  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:42 PM   #97 
        - More commendable than defending rapists  WildEyedLiberal   Jun-03-09 02:52 PM   #118 
     - Their victim  mzmolly   Jun-03-09 01:44 PM   #53 
     - And that makes them adults?  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:43 PM   #98 
     - No, but if convicted it makes them guilty of a heinous crime.  olegramps   Jun-03-09 03:27 PM   #151 
     - No, but apparently it makes the child who was brutally raped  mzmolly   Jun-03-09 03:48 PM   #164 
        - Seriously  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 06:29 PM   #177 
           - Agreed.  mzmolly   Jun-03-09 09:31 PM   #182 
     - Concern for the victim is not in evidence from her posts, just the perps.  dgibby   Jun-03-09 03:45 PM   #161 
        - Odd  mzmolly   Jun-03-09 04:38 PM   #170 
     - I'll second her -- good, they are sociopaths and need to be kept from society  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 01:45 PM   #54 
     - What makes you think they won't be raped in prison?  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:44 PM   #103 
        - What makes you think they won't be raped in Juvie?  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:51 PM   #117 
     - Damn  Dogtown   Jun-03-09 02:42 PM   #96 
        - I have no intention of apologizing for objecting to two teenagers being tried as adults.  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:45 PM   #105 
        - But you do owe an apology for a personal attack, which is against DU rules  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:53 PM   #120 
        - Somehow I knew you wouldn't  Dogtown   Jun-03-09 02:54 PM   #121 
        - Thank you  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Jun-03-09 02:59 PM   #131 
           - !di nada!  Dogtown   Jun-03-09 03:08 PM   #138 
  - Those poor, poor teens...  brendan120678   Jun-03-09 11:50 AM   #6 
  - you forgot the sarcasm emotie . . . didn't you? eom  ellenfl   Jun-03-09 11:52 AM   #8 
  - Is one really needed? Really?  brendan120678   Jun-03-09 11:58 AM   #11 
     - Anyone who can't recognize the sarcasm in that post needs training wheels on their keyboard!  dgibby   Jun-03-09 12:14 PM   #16 
        - there is always someone who doesn't. you should know that by now. eom  ellenfl   Jun-03-09 01:48 PM   #60 
        - Best replay ever! LOL nt  Javaman   Jun-03-09 02:30 PM   #75 
  - Where did I say any of this?  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:46 PM   #107 
  - Whats wrong with this?  Oregone   Jun-03-09 12:01 PM   #12 
  - WTF?  chrisa   Jun-03-09 12:31 PM   #26 
  - I just don't see how these children will grow up and effectively work in an American military prison  Oregone   Jun-03-09 12:34 PM   #27 
  - Ignorant.  proteus_lives   Jun-03-09 12:43 PM   #28 
  - I also don't like puppies  Oregone   Jun-03-09 12:50 PM   #30 
     - Sorry to burst your bubble.  proteus_lives   Jun-03-09 01:13 PM   #35 
        - Well, I disagree  Oregone   Jun-03-09 01:18 PM   #38 
  - know what...FUCK YOU  JANdad   Jun-03-09 01:05 PM   #34 
  - Of course you didn't  Oregone   Jun-03-09 01:13 PM   #36 
     - What is WITH you? Are you accusing the poster of being a rapist?  WildEyedLiberal   Jun-03-09 01:32 PM   #45 
        - Well if that isn't a straw man.  Oregone   Jun-03-09 01:42 PM   #51 
           - "Admiring his self control"?  WildEyedLiberal   Jun-03-09 02:59 PM   #130 
              - "when you accused the other poster"  Oregone   Jun-03-09 03:24 PM   #150 
                 - You don't have a point, do you?  proteus_lives   Jun-03-09 03:36 PM   #155 
                 - I apologize if you think I am smearing a group  Oregone   Jun-03-09 03:43 PM   #160 
                 - You can of course point towards a dynamic, healthy society  LanternWaste   Jun-04-09 01:31 PM   #189 
  - You then believe that the soldiers guilty  LanternWaste   Jun-04-09 01:27 PM   #188 
  - Even in my day, insipid stuff like this was just not common.  Deja Q   Jun-03-09 12:02 PM   #13 
  - "boys will be boys"? Sadly it is a prevailing excuse.  Jkid   Jun-03-09 12:18 PM   #17 
  - Um, I think they did rape a harmless person.  dgibby   Jun-03-09 12:29 PM   #25 
  - Is trying juveniles as juveniles too difficult a concept to grasp?  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:47 PM   #110 
     - Your attack on Haruka showed you don't think their crime was taht big of a deal  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:55 PM   #123 
     - Is venal hyperbole your only means of communication?  Dogtown   Jun-03-09 03:20 PM   #148 
     - Is holding a person accountable for their actions to difficult of a concept for you to grasp?  olegramps   Jun-03-09 03:36 PM   #156 
  - Florida again. Yikes.  Ron Green   Jun-03-09 12:19 PM   #18 
  - Yeah! That's it.  timtom   Jun-03-09 12:57 PM   #32 
  - Duh  L0oniX   Jun-03-09 04:58 PM   #172 
  - If the perps are found guilty, the victim should sue them in civil court.  Jkid   Jun-03-09 12:20 PM   #21 
  - Good!  proteus_lives   Jun-03-09 12:44 PM   #29 
  - And what do you imagine happening to them in an adult prison?  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:48 PM   #111 
     - Nothing, since they wouldn't be housed with the adult population  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:55 PM   #124 
     - Nothing since they will not be with the adult prisoners  uppityperson   Jun-03-09 03:05 PM   #136 
     - Exactly what they deserve.  proteus_lives   Jun-03-09 03:31 PM   #152 
  - Bullying him for months didn't seem to be enough for them.  lpbk2713   Jun-03-09 12:54 PM   #31 
  - And you like that idea, do you?  Pamela Troy   Jun-03-09 02:49 PM   #115 
     - You seem to like accusing people of wanting to get off on thinking of these guys being raped  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:58 PM   #128 
     - Being incarcerated in a juvie facility vs not with adults in regular prison is better?  uppityperson   Jun-03-09 03:06 PM   #137 
     - That's really sick  Dogtown   Jun-03-09 03:22 PM   #149 
     - It appears to me that you are the one with the notions that they will be sexual assaulted in prison.  olegramps   Jun-03-09 03:39 PM   #157 
  - Why charge them as adults?  Quantess   Jun-03-09 01:22 PM   #39 
  - Why not?  chemenger   Jun-03-09 01:31 PM   #44 
  - So they can learn from the older inmates?  Quantess   Jun-03-09 01:34 PM   #47 
     - They won't be housed with adult criminals  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 01:56 PM   #63 
  - It would accomplish, IMO....  Hepburn   Jun-03-09 01:34 PM   #46 
  - As someone else suggested....  Mike Daniels   Jun-03-09 01:43 PM   #52 
     - IMO, it is important to keep society safe from them.  Hepburn   Jun-03-09 01:47 PM   #59 
  - These kids are assholes and monsters  Zodiak   Jun-03-09 01:38 PM   #49 
  - huh? who says?  ellenfl   Jun-03-09 02:25 PM   #72 
     - It happens on here all the time -- it's odious  LostinVA   Jun-03-09 02:33 PM   #83 
     - Just about half of this country feels that anal rape in our detention facilities  Zodiak   Jun-03-09 02:56 PM   #125 
     - You suggest that this trial indicates  Dogtown   Jun-03-09 03:39 PM   #158 
        - Thanks  Zodiak   Jun-03-09 06:29 PM   #178 
           - Our entire prison system is a blemish.  Dogtown   Jun-03-09 06:48 PM   #181 
     - "Don't drop your soap in the shower!" "...when some big XXX makes you his b**ch!"  JHB   Jun-03-09 03:50 PM   #166 
        - you're talking tv!? please. eom  ellenfl   Jun-03-09 03:58 PM   #167 
  - They should be.  Vidar   Jun-03-09 01:41 PM   #50 
  - "multiple incidents on different dates."  Ganja Ninja   Jun-03-09 01:46 PM   #56 
  - Another ariticle on the sexual assault from the Tampa Trib...  spin   Jun-03-09 01:50 PM   #62 
  - Where is the "their brains aren't fully developed - they're prone to impulsivity" crowd?  aikoaiko   Jun-03-09 02:09 PM   #68 
  - they've been bullying the kid for a while . . . where does 'impulse' come in? eom  ellenfl   Jun-03-09 02:30 PM   #76 
  - The bullies' harassment of the boy was not impulsive.  aikoaiko   Jun-03-09 06:20 PM   #175 
  - Up your ass where you pulled out that backhanded attack on other DUers  Zodiak   Jun-03-09 02:58 PM   #129 
     - It appears to me that you are the one that is out of control.  olegramps   Jun-03-09 04:08 PM   #168 
     - This is independent of the issue  Zodiak   Jun-03-09 06:34 PM   #179 
     - They live up my ass? Mon Deu what a horror for them. I just ate lamb shawarma with hot sauce.  aikoaiko   Jun-03-09 05:59 PM   #174 
        - Then just state your case.  Zodiak   Jun-03-09 06:41 PM   #180 
           - Your position seems to have matured.  olegramps   Jun-04-09 10:44 AM   #185 
              - My wife and I discussed the subject at the grocery store  Zodiak   Jun-04-09 12:26 PM   #186 
  - Good, give them the full 120 years.  MrSlayer   Jun-03-09 02:57 PM   #126 
  - Cool.  TransitJohn   Jun-03-09 02:57 PM   #127 
  - hard to feel too much sympathy for them  WI_DEM   Jun-03-09 03:46 PM   #162 
  - I would not be surprised if O'Reilly won't be commenting that the kid probably enjoyed it.  olegramps   Jun-03-09 04:14 PM   #169 
  - Hey ...they are kind of just doing the same thing our military does. That should make it ok.  L0oniX   Jun-03-09 04:56 PM   #171 
  - Why do we have a juvenile justice system? n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-03-09 05:05 PM   #173 
     - Hmmmm...30 years sounds about right...  hayu_lol   Jun-03-09 06:23 PM   #176 

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