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Feel like a big tuff righteous citizen?
Do your own sins look reassuringly tiny compared to theirs?
They are fourteen and fifteen years old.
Does the idea of them being passed around like boxes of candy in prison make you feel good?
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| -Teens Charged As Adults In Sex Assault |
The Straight Story |
Jun-03-09 11:40 AM |
#0 |
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Good |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Jun-03-09 11:41 AM |
#1 |
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Feel Better Now? |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 11:45 AM |
#2 |
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they ananlly raped a kid with sticks |
lies and propaganda |
Jun-03-09 11:48 AM |
#3 |
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did they? you know this how? |
paulsby |
Jun-03-09 01:30 PM |
#43 |
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uh... Say what, now? |
Chulanowa |
Jun-03-09 01:36 PM |
#48 |
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cut the strawmen crap |
paulsby |
Jun-03-09 01:47 PM |
#58 |
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It's not a straw man |
Chulanowa |
Jun-03-09 02:09 PM |
#69 |
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it IS a strawman |
paulsby |
Jun-03-09 02:13 PM |
#71 |
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It was a rape |
Chulanowa |
Jun-03-09 02:55 PM |
#122 |
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It says right in the OP that they sodomized the boy, after torturing him |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 01:46 PM |
#55 |
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no, it doesn't |
paulsby |
Jun-03-09 02:03 PM |
#65 |
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Yes, it does -- wtf do you think that means? |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:04 PM |
#66 |
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so you admit you are wrong |
paulsby |
Jun-03-09 02:09 PM |
#70 |
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No, I didn't admit anything of teh kind -- it's being called a rape |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:30 PM |
#77 |
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false |
paulsby |
Jun-03-09 02:33 PM |
#81 |
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Are you on shrooms or something??? |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:34 PM |
#84 |
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i have no idea whether he was sodomized or not |
paulsby |
Jun-03-09 02:37 PM |
#88 |
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Yes, yes was sodomized -- he DOESN'T HAVE A VAGINA |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:42 PM |
#94 |
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penetration of the mouth |
paulsby |
Jun-03-09 02:43 PM |
#101 |
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I know -- sodomy, which is what I said |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:45 PM |
#104 |
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He was sexually assaulted by putting a hockey stick in his mouth? |
uppityperson |
Jun-03-09 03:00 PM |
#133 |
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come on get real it's pretty clear they are talking sodomy here. |
WI_DEM |
Jun-03-09 03:48 PM |
#165 |
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Maybe they just made him masturbate with the stick. See? (sarcasm) |
uppityperson |
Jun-03-09 02:59 PM |
#132 |
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I'm confused - what exactly did you think they did? |
TrogL |
Jun-03-09 02:00 PM |
#64 |
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i don't know specifically WHAT they did |
paulsby |
Jun-03-09 02:07 PM |
#67 |
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You like to parse words don't you? so you think simple assault would get them 30 years? |
Javaman |
Jun-03-09 02:28 PM |
#74 |
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i;m not trying to justify anything |
paulsby |
Jun-03-09 02:39 PM |
#91 |
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I saw no " backpedaling, obfuscations, strawmen and assumptions" |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:44 PM |
#102 |
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and i keep trying to explain to you |
paulsby |
Jun-03-09 02:49 PM |
# |
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What's wrong with you? |
Dogtown |
Jun-03-09 03:11 PM |
#140 |
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man, you really need to find the clue phone fast, it's ringing only for you. |
Javaman |
Jun-03-09 03:14 PM |
#144 |
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could also be the legal definition of rape |
TorchTheWitch |
Jun-03-09 03:48 PM |
#163 |
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No, you are WRONG |
WildEyedLiberal |
Jun-03-09 02:43 PM |
#100 |
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Grabbing breast |
TransitJohn |
Jun-03-09 03:03 PM |
#135 |
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Legally, that would be sexual abuse |
WildEyedLiberal |
Jun-03-09 03:10 PM |
#139 |
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"Sexual battery" in Georgia |
Dogtown |
Jun-03-09 03:14 PM |
#145 |
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Pfffft. |
TransitJohn |
Jun-03-09 03:18 PM |
#146 |
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That answers my question |
Dogtown |
Jun-03-09 03:42 PM |
#159 |
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Why even bother to make the distinction |
TrogL |
Jun-03-09 03:33 PM |
#154 |
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FYI - IN FLORIDA IT'S NOT CALLED RAPE, IT'S CALLED SEXUAL ASSAULT. carry on. eom |
ellenfl |
Jun-03-09 02:27 PM |
#73 |
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It is in most places now, because that covers more "incidents" than "rape" |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:32 PM |
#80 |
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well, it doesnt say they beat him with it |
lies and propaganda |
Jun-03-09 03:13 PM |
#141 |
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You think they WON'T get raped in jail? |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:31 PM |
#78 |
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They won't raped there any more than in Juvie |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:35 PM |
#85 |
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No,. but i also didnt act like they rape THEY commited |
lies and propaganda |
Jun-03-09 03:13 PM |
#143 |
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Dupe |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Jun-03-09 11:48 AM |
# |
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Keep them in juvie until they're 18 and send them to grown up prison then |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Jun-03-09 11:48 AM |
#4 |
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for some DUers, someone 17 years, 364 days, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds old is completely innocent |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-03-09 12:19 PM |
#19 |
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Yeah, and that's just absurd |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Jun-03-09 12:24 PM |
#22 |
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I know -- a sociopath is a socipath at any age |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 01:46 PM |
#57 |
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They committed an adult crime |
WeDidIt |
Jun-03-09 11:49 AM |
#5 |
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Basically hard to say this was anything other than a deliberate and malicious act |
Mike Daniels |
Jun-03-09 12:25 PM |
#23 |
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So you don't think any distinction should be made between child offenders and adult offenders? |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:31 PM |
#79 |
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I personally don't think there should be for certain premeditated crimes |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:46 PM |
#106 |
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Most of the time, yes. |
WeDidIt |
Jun-03-09 02:49 PM |
#113 |
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I don't see how in this case it makes a difference in terms of penalty |
Mike Daniels |
Jun-03-09 02:52 PM |
#119 |
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Are you saying they didn't know what they did is wrong? |
mamaleah |
Jun-03-09 09:59 PM |
#183 |
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do i hear a 'boys will be boys' in there somewhere? |
ellenfl |
Jun-03-09 11:50 AM |
#7 |
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No, you don't. Unless you decide to ascribe it to me. |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:33 PM |
#82 |
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You brought that up |
Dogtown |
Jun-03-09 02:49 PM |
#114 |
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Why do you keep accusing others of desiring prison rape? |
uppityperson |
Jun-03-09 03:02 PM |
#134 |
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As per your own line of questioning... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-04-09 12:31 PM |
#187 |
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Congratulate them. They chose behavior that EMANCIPATED themselves. |
TahitiNut |
Jun-03-09 11:52 AM |
#9 |
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Oh, my. Your subject line brilliantly says it all. I agree. |
pacalo |
Jun-03-09 01:49 PM |
#61 |
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What do you think is likely to happen to a fourteen or fifteen year old put in prison? |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:35 PM |
#86 |
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A 15-year-old rapist is a rapist, not a misunderstood kid |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:47 PM |
#108 |
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That's a DIFFERENT problem. Fix that problem separately. |
TahitiNut |
Jun-03-09 02:47 PM |
#109 |
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Sadly, people who commit crimes generally don't think... |
Javaman |
Jun-03-09 03:19 PM |
#147 |
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Ummmm...... |
Coyote_Bandit |
Jun-03-09 11:53 AM |
#10 |
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Ummmmmm....You DO understand the difference between saying, |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:36 PM |
#87 |
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Do you? If convicted they will be put in a juvenile facility until they reach adult |
walldude |
Jun-03-09 02:43 PM |
#99 |
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What's your solution? |
dgibby |
Jun-03-09 12:12 PM |
#14 |
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Probably a "time out" and no dessert. |
TahitiNut |
Jun-03-09 12:13 PM |
#15 |
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You crack me up! Thanks, I needed a good laugh today! |
dgibby |
Jun-03-09 12:26 PM |
#24 |
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Little too harsh. No desert would do. |
olegramps |
Jun-03-09 03:13 PM |
#142 |
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No dessert? You barbarian! |
mamaleah |
Jun-03-09 10:01 PM |
#184 |
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It's time to look forward -- not back |
nichomachus |
Jun-03-09 01:28 PM |
#42 |
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Prosecute juveniles as juveniles. |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:37 PM |
#89 |
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Did the kid they tortured feel good? |
Butch350 |
Jun-03-09 12:20 PM |
#20 |
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No, they should not merely give the bullies "a strong talking to." |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:38 PM |
#90 |
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So, two years in juvie for multiple rape, so they can gte out and rape again |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:49 PM |
#112 |
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does the idea of them... |
VelmaD |
Jun-03-09 12:57 PM |
#33 |
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Nope. Which is why I think rape should be prevented in both adult prisons |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:40 PM |
#92 |
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Nice job with the Bitch-and-Run. |
Ignis |
Jun-03-09 01:18 PM |
#37 |
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I'm right here. |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:41 PM |
#93 |
| -
Hey, welcome back! |
Ignis |
Jun-03-09 03:33 PM |
#153 |
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They are old enough to know better |
Dappleganger |
Jun-03-09 01:24 PM |
#40 |
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So if the fourteen year old had "consented" to sex with an adult, |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:42 PM |
#95 |
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That is a total strawman, which you know |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:49 PM |
#116 |
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Well, my sins are pretty tiny compared to theirs |
WildEyedLiberal |
Jun-03-09 01:28 PM |
#41 |
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How very commendable of you. |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:42 PM |
#97 |
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More commendable than defending rapists |
WildEyedLiberal |
Jun-03-09 02:52 PM |
#118 |
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Their victim |
mzmolly |
Jun-03-09 01:44 PM |
#53 |
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And that makes them adults? |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:43 PM |
#98 |
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No, but if convicted it makes them guilty of a heinous crime. |
olegramps |
Jun-03-09 03:27 PM |
#151 |
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No, but apparently it makes the child who was brutally raped |
mzmolly |
Jun-03-09 03:48 PM |
#164 |
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Seriously |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 06:29 PM |
#177 |
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Agreed. |
mzmolly |
Jun-03-09 09:31 PM |
#182 |
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Concern for the victim is not in evidence from her posts, just the perps. |
dgibby |
Jun-03-09 03:45 PM |
#161 |
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Odd |
mzmolly |
Jun-03-09 04:38 PM |
#170 |
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I'll second her -- good, they are sociopaths and need to be kept from society |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 01:45 PM |
#54 |
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What makes you think they won't be raped in prison? |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:44 PM |
#103 |
| -
What makes you think they won't be raped in Juvie? |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:51 PM |
#117 |
| -
Damn |
Dogtown |
Jun-03-09 02:42 PM |
#96 |
| -
I have no intention of apologizing for objecting to two teenagers being tried as adults. |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:45 PM |
#105 |
| -
But you do owe an apology for a personal attack, which is against DU rules |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:53 PM |
#120 |
| -
Somehow I knew you wouldn't |
Dogtown |
Jun-03-09 02:54 PM |
#121 |
| -
Thank you |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Jun-03-09 02:59 PM |
#131 |
| -
!di nada! |
Dogtown |
Jun-03-09 03:08 PM |
#138 |
| -
Those poor, poor teens... |
brendan120678 |
Jun-03-09 11:50 AM |
#6 |
| -
you forgot the sarcasm emotie . . . didn't you? eom |
ellenfl |
Jun-03-09 11:52 AM |
#8 |
| -
Is one really needed? Really? |
brendan120678 |
Jun-03-09 11:58 AM |
#11 |
| -
Anyone who can't recognize the sarcasm in that post needs training wheels on their keyboard! |
dgibby |
Jun-03-09 12:14 PM |
#16 |
| -
there is always someone who doesn't. you should know that by now. eom |
ellenfl |
Jun-03-09 01:48 PM |
#60 |
| -
Best replay ever! LOL nt |
Javaman |
Jun-03-09 02:30 PM |
#75 |
| -
Where did I say any of this? |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:46 PM |
#107 |
| -
Whats wrong with this? |
Oregone |
Jun-03-09 12:01 PM |
#12 |
| -
WTF? |
chrisa |
Jun-03-09 12:31 PM |
#26 |
| -
I just don't see how these children will grow up and effectively work in an American military prison |
Oregone |
Jun-03-09 12:34 PM |
#27 |
| -
Ignorant. |
proteus_lives |
Jun-03-09 12:43 PM |
#28 |
| -
I also don't like puppies |
Oregone |
Jun-03-09 12:50 PM |
#30 |
| -
Sorry to burst your bubble. |
proteus_lives |
Jun-03-09 01:13 PM |
#35 |
| -
Well, I disagree |
Oregone |
Jun-03-09 01:18 PM |
#38 |
| -
Hey...you know what...FUCK YOU |
JANdad |
Jun-03-09 01:05 PM |
#34 |
| -
Of course you didn't |
Oregone |
Jun-03-09 01:13 PM |
#36 |
| -
What is WITH you? Are you accusing the poster of being a rapist? |
WildEyedLiberal |
Jun-03-09 01:32 PM |
#45 |
| -
Well if that isn't a straw man. |
Oregone |
Jun-03-09 01:42 PM |
#51 |
| -
"Admiring his self control"? |
WildEyedLiberal |
Jun-03-09 02:59 PM |
#130 |
| -
"when you accused the other poster" |
Oregone |
Jun-03-09 03:24 PM |
#150 |
| -
You don't have a point, do you? |
proteus_lives |
Jun-03-09 03:36 PM |
#155 |
| -
I apologize if you think I am smearing a group |
Oregone |
Jun-03-09 03:43 PM |
#160 |
| -
You can of course point towards a dynamic, healthy society |
LanternWaste |
Jun-04-09 01:31 PM |
#189 |
| -
You then believe that the soldiers guilty |
LanternWaste |
Jun-04-09 01:27 PM |
#188 |
| -
Even in my day, insipid stuff like this was just not common. |
Deja Q |
Jun-03-09 12:02 PM |
#13 |
| -
"boys will be boys"? Sadly it is a prevailing excuse. |
Jkid |
Jun-03-09 12:18 PM |
#17 |
| -
Um, I think they did rape a harmless person. |
dgibby |
Jun-03-09 12:29 PM |
#25 |
| -
Is trying juveniles as juveniles too difficult a concept to grasp? |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:47 PM |
#110 |
| -
Your attack on Haruka showed you don't think their crime was taht big of a deal |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:55 PM |
#123 |
| -
Is venal hyperbole your only means of communication? |
Dogtown |
Jun-03-09 03:20 PM |
#148 |
| -
Is holding a person accountable for their actions to difficult of a concept for you to grasp? |
olegramps |
Jun-03-09 03:36 PM |
#156 |
| -
Florida again. Yikes. |
Ron Green |
Jun-03-09 12:19 PM |
#18 |
| -
Yeah! That's it. |
timtom |
Jun-03-09 12:57 PM |
#32 |
| -
Duh |
L0oniX |
Jun-03-09 04:58 PM |
#172 |
| -
If the perps are found guilty, the victim should sue them in civil court. |
Jkid |
Jun-03-09 12:20 PM |
#21 |
| -
Good! |
proteus_lives |
Jun-03-09 12:44 PM |
#29 |
| -
And what do you imagine happening to them in an adult prison? |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:48 PM |
#111 |
| -
Nothing, since they wouldn't be housed with the adult population |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:55 PM |
#124 |
| -
Nothing since they will not be with the adult prisoners |
uppityperson |
Jun-03-09 03:05 PM |
#136 |
| -
Exactly what they deserve. |
proteus_lives |
Jun-03-09 03:31 PM |
#152 |
| -
Bullying him for months didn't seem to be enough for them. |
lpbk2713 |
Jun-03-09 12:54 PM |
#31 |
| -
And you like that idea, do you? |
Pamela Troy |
Jun-03-09 02:49 PM |
#115 |
| -
You seem to like accusing people of wanting to get off on thinking of these guys being raped |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:58 PM |
#128 |
| -
Being incarcerated in a juvie facility vs not with adults in regular prison is better? |
uppityperson |
Jun-03-09 03:06 PM |
#137 |
| -
That's really sick |
Dogtown |
Jun-03-09 03:22 PM |
#149 |
| -
It appears to me that you are the one with the notions that they will be sexual assaulted in prison. |
olegramps |
Jun-03-09 03:39 PM |
#157 |
| -
Why charge them as adults? |
Quantess |
Jun-03-09 01:22 PM |
#39 |
| -
Why not? |
chemenger |
Jun-03-09 01:31 PM |
#44 |
| -
So they can learn from the older inmates? |
Quantess |
Jun-03-09 01:34 PM |
#47 |
| -
They won't be housed with adult criminals |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 01:56 PM |
#63 |
| -
It would accomplish, IMO.... |
Hepburn |
Jun-03-09 01:34 PM |
#46 |
| -
As someone else suggested.... |
Mike Daniels |
Jun-03-09 01:43 PM |
#52 |
| -
IMO, it is important to keep society safe from them. |
Hepburn |
Jun-03-09 01:47 PM |
#59 |
| -
These kids are assholes and monsters |
Zodiak |
Jun-03-09 01:38 PM |
#49 |
| -
huh? who says? |
ellenfl |
Jun-03-09 02:25 PM |
#72 |
| -
It happens on here all the time -- it's odious |
LostinVA |
Jun-03-09 02:33 PM |
#83 |
| -
Just about half of this country feels that anal rape in our detention facilities |
Zodiak |
Jun-03-09 02:56 PM |
#125 |
| -
You suggest that this trial indicates |
Dogtown |
Jun-03-09 03:39 PM |
#158 |
| -
Thanks |
Zodiak |
Jun-03-09 06:29 PM |
#178 |
| -
Our entire prison system is a blemish. |
Dogtown |
Jun-03-09 06:48 PM |
#181 |
| -
"Don't drop your soap in the shower!" "...when some big XXX makes you his b**ch!" |
JHB |
Jun-03-09 03:50 PM |
#166 |
| -
you're talking tv!? please. eom |
ellenfl |
Jun-03-09 03:58 PM |
#167 |
| -
They should be. |
Vidar |
Jun-03-09 01:41 PM |
#50 |
| -
"multiple incidents on different dates." |
Ganja Ninja |
Jun-03-09 01:46 PM |
#56 |
| -
Another ariticle on the sexual assault from the Tampa Trib... |
spin |
Jun-03-09 01:50 PM |
#62 |
| -
Where is the "their brains aren't fully developed - they're prone to impulsivity" crowd? |
aikoaiko |
Jun-03-09 02:09 PM |
#68 |
| -
they've been bullying the kid for a while . . . where does 'impulse' come in? eom |
ellenfl |
Jun-03-09 02:30 PM |
#76 |
| -
The bullies' harassment of the boy was not impulsive. |
aikoaiko |
Jun-03-09 06:20 PM |
#175 |
| -
Up your ass where you pulled out that backhanded attack on other DUers |
Zodiak |
Jun-03-09 02:58 PM |
#129 |
| -
It appears to me that you are the one that is out of control. |
olegramps |
Jun-03-09 04:08 PM |
#168 |
| -
This is independent of the issue |
Zodiak |
Jun-03-09 06:34 PM |
#179 |
| -
They live up my ass? Mon Deu what a horror for them. I just ate lamb shawarma with hot sauce. |
aikoaiko |
Jun-03-09 05:59 PM |
#174 |
| -
Then just state your case. |
Zodiak |
Jun-03-09 06:41 PM |
#180 |
| -
Your position seems to have matured. |
olegramps |
Jun-04-09 10:44 AM |
#185 |
| -
My wife and I discussed the subject at the grocery store |
Zodiak |
Jun-04-09 12:26 PM |
#186 |
| -
Good, give them the full 120 years. |
MrSlayer |
Jun-03-09 02:57 PM |
#126 |
| -
Cool. |
TransitJohn |
Jun-03-09 02:57 PM |
#127 |
| -
hard to feel too much sympathy for them |
WI_DEM |
Jun-03-09 03:46 PM |
#162 |
| -
I would not be surprised if O'Reilly won't be commenting that the kid probably enjoyed it. |
olegramps |
Jun-03-09 04:14 PM |
#169 |
| -
Hey ...they are kind of just doing the same thing our military does. That should make it ok. |
L0oniX |
Jun-03-09 04:56 PM |
#171 |
| -
Why do we have a juvenile justice system? n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-03-09 05:05 PM |
#173 |
| -
Hmmmm...30 years sounds about right... |
hayu_lol |
Jun-03-09 06:23 PM |
#176 |
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