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93. elsewhere saw Montana Freeman standoff was going on
when he got arrested (they didn't have link in that story or would post it)

Refresher on that:

Five Montana Freemen were found guilty today on criminal charges in the first trial resulting from an 81-day standoff in 1996 between the anti-Government militants and the F.B.I.

The jury acquitted Edwin F. Clark, 47, former owner of the foreclosed farm that made up most of the Freemen stronghold. Mr. Clark's lawyer had argued he had been desperate to save the farm and swept up in events.

Four of the Freemen were convicted of being accessories in the armed holdup of an ABC television news crew attempting to film a story on the Freemen. They were Steven C. Hance, 48, and his sons, James E. Hance, 25, and John R. Hance, 21, all of Charlotte, N.C., and Jon Barry Nelson, 42, of Marion, Kan. The Hances were also convicted of being fugitives in possession of firearms.

Elwin Ward, 57, of Salt Lake City, was found innocent of being an accessory to any crimes committed by other Freemen, but was convicted of submitting a false claim to the Internal Revenue Service.

The six were secondary figures in the standoff. The trial of the Freemen leaders is to begin on May 26.

Freemen, FBI standoff drags on
Lessons of Waco put into practice

March 28, 1996
Web posted at: 12:30 a.m. EST

BILLINGS, Montana (CNN) -- Negotiations between the FBI and 10 anti-government militants dragged through a third day Wednesday with no sign of a breakthrough. The fugitives, members of the "freemen" group, are armed and are holding federal authorities at bay outside a remote farm house in Montana.

The group refuses to pay taxes or be evicted from the property, which was foreclosed upon 18 months ago. They have even posted bounties for the capture of police and judges, and threatened to shoot their neighbors' sheep and cattle.

Two members of the group were arrested Wednesday without incident, even though both were carrying loaded guns. Both were indicted a year ago on federal charges for writing bad checks and threatening a judge's life.

According to court papers filed Wednesday, an FBI sting operation led to the arrests of the two, freemen leader LeRoy Schweitzer and member Daniel Petersen. Schweitzer allegedly gave FBI agent Timothy Healy a bogus "comptroller's warrant" for $3 million, in return for the profits from selling imports bought with the $3 million. He stood to gain $1 million in cash from the operation, the FBI said.

Lavon T. Hanson was also arrested in connection with the FBI sting. He allegedly agreed to transport illegally-earned funds from Los Angeles to Montana in a conversation between Schweitzer, Healy, and Hanson on March 25. Based on that conversation, the complaint said, the FBI believed that "Hanson understood the entire scheme, including his role as pilot transporting funds."


"They talk about Christian patriotism. Viewers should know it's an inherently racist view -- beliefs there are different rights for white Christian folks and for blacks, Jews, and for others," said Kenneth Stern, author of "A Force Upon the Plains." "Terry Nichols, who is charged with the Oklahoma City bombing, did the same thing that the freemen folks are talking about."

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  -Confirmed: Tiller's killer associated with Operation Rescue Seen the light  May-31-09 05:25 PM   #0 
  - the christian taliban in all it's glory  spanone   May-31-09 05:27 PM   #1 
  - Here is ColbertWatcher's screengrab from another thread:  Hissyspit   May-31-09 05:43 PM   #28 
     - death camp  spanone   May-31-09 07:22 PM   #74 
     - "Bleass Everyone?"  slampoet   Jun-01-09 09:18 AM   #136 
        - Typical freep-style misspelling  peace frog   Jun-01-09 10:04 AM   #137 
           - No, that's how they pronounce it.  louis-t   Jun-01-09 11:12 AM   #142 
              - Phonics is alive and well, I see  peace frog   Jun-01-09 11:21 AM   #143 
  - Nice page.  Forkboy   May-31-09 05:27 PM   #2 
  - I call it Christo-Fascism  tan guera   May-31-09 05:28 PM   #4 
  - Is this guy the official suspect?  bluestateguy   May-31-09 05:28 PM   #3 
  - Yes, Scott Roeder was picked up by Kansas authorities with connection to the murder n/t  Seen the light   May-31-09 05:29 PM   #6 
  - And if someone who once posted here  customerserviceguy   May-31-09 08:31 PM   #101 
     - Operation Rescue does a whole lot more than post to a web site.  fasttense   Jun-01-09 12:18 PM   #149 
     - Actually, someone here has posted stuff like that here before and  AspenRose   Jun-01-09 12:22 PM   #150 
  - byebye Operation Rescue. n/t  cali   May-31-09 05:28 PM   #5 
  - Oh snap.  StrongBad   May-31-09 05:29 PM   #7 
  - Oh "steak it"  ooglymoogly   Jun-01-09 01:11 PM   #155 
  - Operation Rescue breeds terrorists. How lovely. N/T  pdxmom   May-31-09 05:30 PM   #8 
  - This isn't their first trip around the block  Vyan   May-31-09 08:56 PM   #104 
     - Remember, this is the GOP's Operation Rescue . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Jun-01-09 11:52 AM   #148 
  - OR provides aid and comfort to terrorists.  BlooInBloo   May-31-09 05:32 PM   #9 
  - weren't a couple of guys sent away for years for aid and comfort to Hamas?  DBoon   May-31-09 05:40 PM   #23 
     - Sure, but aren't they brown?  BlooInBloo   May-31-09 05:42 PM   #24 
        - Worse yet, they aren't part of the Republican base  DBoon   May-31-09 05:43 PM   #27 
           - Then that answers that question.  BlooInBloo   May-31-09 05:44 PM   #29 
  - it's so creepy  Neecy   May-31-09 05:32 PM   #10 
  - Good work, SLT! Make sure you screen capture this and send it to KO and Rachel. n/t  rvablue   May-31-09 05:32 PM   #11 
  - You also might want to send this to the local PD department investigating this.  rvablue   May-31-09 05:34 PM   #15 
     - I think they should look at our "Local Catholic Church" because since we moved  glinda   May-31-09 08:39 PM   #102 
        - The Chamber of Commerce . . . ???  defendandprotect   Jun-01-09 11:48 AM   #147 
           - Yes. A recent Agenda posted on their Website locally had a "Pro-Life Meeting" listed.  glinda   Jun-01-09 03:25 PM   #159 
              - Amazing . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Jun-01-09 11:59 PM   #163 
  - Post #8 is more incriminating the #9 imo.  Cronopio   May-31-09 05:32 PM   #12 
  - Recommending this with heavy heart. Important info that was suspected from outset  KittyWampus   May-31-09 05:33 PM   #13 
  - Domestic, Christian, Republican Terrorists.  Mrs. Overall   May-31-09 05:34 PM   #14 
  - Be sure to take pictures of this  ck4829   May-31-09 05:34 PM   #16 
  - They can't hide from the wonderful Google Cache though n/t  Seen the light   May-31-09 05:36 PM   #19 
     - You may find "The Wayback Machine" a better alternative.  Tesha   Jun-01-09 07:13 PM   #162 
  - The same Scott Roeder?  Luminous Animal   May-31-09 05:34 PM   #17 
  - I would be very surprised if it wasn't the same guy  Seen the light   May-31-09 05:35 PM   #18 
  - the same organizations DHS reported on recently  DBoon   May-31-09 05:42 PM   #25 
     - can we roll that report up and swat Malkin with it?  havocmom   May-31-09 06:23 PM   #46 
     - **** ding ding ding ding ding *****  stranger81   Jun-01-09 12:55 AM   #118 
  - More on the arrest here...  SidDithers   May-31-09 06:44 PM   #56 
  - per DailyKos he's 51 now, with description:  northernlights   May-31-09 06:52 PM   #63 
  - Only one Scott Roeder of that age in Kansas  starroute   May-31-09 07:03 PM   #67 
  - Some court records here  starroute   May-31-09 07:12 PM   #71 
     - well known for his criminal records why wasn't this guy locked up?  bdamomma   Jun-01-09 01:14 PM   #156 
  - a sovereign citizen and tax protester,  AlbertCat   Jun-01-09 10:41 AM   #140 
  - Anyone else think this arrest probably thwarted a planned earlier attack on Tiller?  stranger81   Jun-01-09 12:57 AM   #119 
  - yup, same guy. WIchita Eagle reports that  stranger81   Jun-01-09 12:52 AM   #117 
  - Shit.  AspenRose   Jun-01-09 12:25 PM   #151 
  - Operation Rescue is a terrorist organization  ayeshahaqqiqa   May-31-09 05:37 PM   #20 
  - And can we complain to the pope that part of his church is aiding and  jwirr   May-31-09 06:51 PM   #62 
  - And these posters on the site are guilty by association:  Mrs. Overall   May-31-09 05:38 PM   #21 
  - It appears the Kinney's knew something  Oilwellian   May-31-09 11:17 PM   #114 
     - Excellent catch! I read through this quickly and didn't see that.  Mrs. Overall   Jun-01-09 09:16 AM   #135 
  - Nice catch  Canuckistanian   May-31-09 05:39 PM   #22 
  - Just your average hate-filled freeper with a criminal record...see below  pkdu   May-31-09 05:43 PM   #26 
  - You mean "terrorist" right?  MH1   May-31-09 05:44 PM   #31 
  - Great. The US attorney needs to go after those jerks  FloridaJudy   May-31-09 05:44 PM   #30 
  - This needs a media blast  chat_noir   May-31-09 05:47 PM   #32 
  - Found his comments on an online petition to prosecute Tiller, as well:  blonndee   May-31-09 05:52 PM   #33 
  - Good catch.  Hissyspit   May-31-09 05:57 PM   #35 
  - Sam Brownback (R-KS): Wilberforce Republican  Snazzy   May-31-09 07:06 PM   #68 
  - As in, "I didn't want to snort the crystalmeth, but Wilberforced me."  jazzjunkysue   May-31-09 09:47 PM   #110 
     - cue banjo music...  Snazzy   May-31-09 10:11 PM   #113 
        - Thanks!  jazzjunkysue   Jun-01-09 06:58 AM   #126 
  - There is a damning comment if I have ever seen one.  Seldona   May-31-09 09:03 PM   #105 
  - well, we are going to the candlelight vigil, in wichita.....  create.peace   May-31-09 05:55 PM   #34 
  - UPDATE: Another post by Scott Roeder  Seen the light   May-31-09 06:00 PM   #36 
  - Sounds a little like Osama bin Laden after 9/11...  kentuck   May-31-09 06:03 PM   #37 
  - They should be listed as a terrorist organization. Like Green Peace.  Wizard777   Jun-01-09 06:37 AM   #123 
  - UPDATE #2: Yet another Roeder post  Seen the light   May-31-09 06:03 PM   #38 
  - What a dumbass. Doesn't even get the quote right.  Forkboy   May-31-09 06:17 PM   #41 
  - What are the other six things our Heavenly Father hates?  bbernardini   May-31-09 06:19 PM   #43 
  - Jefferson and Our Heavenly Father? That does not sound like Jefferson. nt  jwirr   May-31-09 06:59 PM   #65 
     - It isn't  Forkboy   May-31-09 07:11 PM   #69 
  - Anyone have a middle initial for the suspected Scott Roeder?  Hissyspit   May-31-09 06:05 PM   #39 
  - middle name is Phillip  Neecy   May-31-09 06:32 PM   #51 
  - Good thread.  Starry Messenger   May-31-09 06:16 PM   #40 
  - anyone send this to any news organizations??? nt  Mari333   May-31-09 06:19 PM   #42 
  - I will be, though I am sure I will not be close to the first.  Seldona   May-31-09 09:06 PM   #106 
  - K & R  AzDar   May-31-09 06:21 PM   #44 
  - Google search  spotbird   May-31-09 06:23 PM   #45 
  - Zaba Search:  Hissyspit   May-31-09 06:23 PM   #47 
  - Details on his Shawnee County court cases. What a LOSER:  Hissyspit   May-31-09 06:33 PM   #52 
     - News article on his 1996 arrest:  Hissyspit   May-31-09 06:50 PM   #60 
     - One year almost to the day after the Oklahoma City bombing  Wednesdays   May-31-09 07:20 PM   #73 
        - elsewhere saw Montana Freeman standoff was going on  Snazzy   May-31-09 07:51 PM   #93 
     - wonder how it got dismissed on appeal? n/t  Snazzy   May-31-09 07:40 PM   #81 
     - Wife divorced him right after that in Johnson County  Born_A_Truman   Jun-01-09 02:12 AM   #121 
  - I have not called myself  laylah   May-31-09 06:26 PM   #48 
  - from your keyboard...  LaydeeBug   May-31-09 06:37 PM   #55 
  - more google cache on the net..brand new:  Mari333   May-31-09 06:27 PM   #49 
  - Oh, damn that Google cache!  Dappleganger   May-31-09 06:28 PM   #50 
  - And so it begins  slackmaster   May-31-09 06:34 PM   #53 
  - Abortion doesn't need to stop...  SidDithers   May-31-09 06:49 PM   #59 
  - "sincere, decent people" mind their own damned business.  LeftyMom   May-31-09 07:25 PM   #76 
  - Many so called sincere , decent people can stay the hell out of my uterus.  EFerrari   May-31-09 07:25 PM   #77 
  - I will second that!  glinda   May-31-09 08:47 PM   #103 
  - I know of NO sincere, decent people who oppose abortion.  Hepburn   May-31-09 07:40 PM   #82 
  - Wouldn't it be better if abortions were available but not needed as often?  slackmaster   Jun-01-09 08:27 AM   #132 
     - The attitude of what you think is the best choice for a woman...  Hepburn   Jun-01-09 01:17 PM   #157 
     - yes, it would be better  noiretextatique   Jun-01-09 01:26 PM   #158 
  - Poor them. and you.  Starry Messenger   May-31-09 07:49 PM   #92 
     - Sure, I do have sympathy for George Tiller and his family  slackmaster   Jun-01-09 08:25 AM   #131 
  - Time to shut down this terrorist organization  WeDidIt   May-31-09 06:37 PM   #54 
  - I found this bizarre reference on YouTube  Luminous Animal   May-31-09 06:47 PM   #57 
  - Weird.  Hissyspit   May-31-09 06:57 PM   #64 
  - I managed to find a "scottroeder" on Youtube.  ck4829   Jun-01-09 07:16 AM   #128 
  - He's also a registered Republican (surprise)  Neecy   May-31-09 06:49 PM   #58 
  - Bet me Rob is right now sweating over his subscribers list. n/t  EFerrari   May-31-09 07:27 PM   #78 
  - K&R  Wednesdays   May-31-09 06:50 PM   #61 
  - driving violations too  northernlights   May-31-09 07:03 PM   #66 
  - and he's a freeman!  Alcibiades   May-31-09 07:12 PM   #70 
  - delete post  zazen   May-31-09 07:18 PM   #72 
  - That is a different guy with the same name, a young univ. photographer  blonndee   May-31-09 07:39 PM   #80 
  - delete dumbass post  zazen   May-31-09 07:44 PM   #89 
  - Careful, there. Check to make sure you're talking about the  MineralMan   May-31-09 07:43 PM   #86 
  - my bad--just reread the article; and I was feeling sorry for all the Scott Roeder's out there  zazen   May-31-09 07:48 PM   #91 
  - Now all we need is his user name at FR. n/t  EFerrari   May-31-09 07:22 PM   #75 
  - I sense a subpoena is in RimJob's future  47of74   May-31-09 07:42 PM   #85 
  - Operation Rescue is a Terrorist Organization  Hepburn   May-31-09 07:34 PM   #79 
  - NBC affiliate IDs Tiller assassin as Scott Roeder., and linked to OP Rescue.  jefferson_dem   May-31-09 07:41 PM   #83 
  - Good.  EFerrari   May-31-09 07:44 PM   #88 
  - I just RT'd  Dappleganger   May-31-09 09:10 PM   #107 
  - The Freemen seem to have been active in Kansas in 1996  starroute   May-31-09 07:41 PM   #84 
  - He was suspected in 1996 of ties with the Montana Freemen  starroute   May-31-09 08:08 PM   #98 
  - Women's groups have long connected this anti-abortion violence to the militias . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-01-09 11:43 AM   #146 
  - maybe this is what the "con man" comment refers to? [n/t]  stranger81   Jun-01-09 01:06 AM   #120 
  - Now being reported  Neecy   May-31-09 07:44 PM   #87 
  - I'm wondering if maybe the FBI shut down their site  northernlights   May-31-09 08:18 PM   #100 
  - Whose FBI are we working with now . . . Bush's or Obama's . . . ???  defendandprotect   Jun-01-09 11:40 AM   #144 
  - Now that would be cool if someone checked OR's phone records...  XOKCowboy   Jun-01-09 02:15 AM   #122 
  - Why is it down?  BolivarianHero   May-31-09 07:46 PM   #90 
  - So if all these posts from the killer are dated 2007  Sebastian Doyle   May-31-09 07:56 PM   #94 
  - 'alleged' killer  spanone   May-31-09 07:57 PM   #95 
  - Yeah.  Hissyspit   May-31-09 08:04 PM   #97 
  - Radical Christofascist Terrorists  Chovexani   May-31-09 07:59 PM   #96 
  - No surprise there. K&R  Richard Steele   May-31-09 08:11 PM   #99 
  - ok, here he is  northernlights   May-31-09 09:11 PM   #108 
  - That would be "Terror Organization: Operation Rescue"  itsrobert   May-31-09 09:12 PM   #109 
  - Yep, they need to search their compounds now  usregimechange   May-31-09 09:55 PM   #111 
  - I see O'Reilly Mentioned on that page Three Times...  NYC_SKP   May-31-09 10:02 PM   #112 
  - figures  fascisthunter   Jun-01-09 08:59 AM   #134 
  - I am so sorry.  farmboxer   Jun-01-09 12:11 AM   #115 
  - Army of God.  flvegan   Jun-01-09 12:13 AM   #116 
  - Has there been a trial and conviction already?  Shrek   Jun-01-09 06:42 AM   #124 
  - Yes, Dr. Tiller was  mzmolly   Jun-01-09 01:07 PM   #153 
  - Why isn't Operation Rescue treated as a terrorist organization? They target & harass law abiding  mod mom   Jun-01-09 06:48 AM   #125 
  - The DHS and FBI  workinclasszero   Jun-01-09 07:04 AM   #127 
  - Kick to expose Terrorist Organization. n/t  WeDidIt   Jun-01-09 08:17 AM   #129 
  - Where did he get the gun? nt  onehandle   Jun-01-09 08:20 AM   #130 
  - if they condone killing doctors, then they are terrorists  fascisthunter   Jun-01-09 08:58 AM   #133 
  - You just made the Guardian!  myrna minx   Jun-01-09 10:09 AM   #138 
  - I was just going to post the same thing--this thread is being picked up by news organizations!  Mrs. Overall   Jun-01-09 10:17 AM   #139 
  - perp shot  Snazzy   Jun-01-09 11:05 AM   #141 
  - Ugh.  Starry Messenger   Jun-01-09 11:42 AM   #145 
  - Why does he have body armor on?  geniph   Jun-01-09 05:03 PM   #160 
  - Pro-lifers murdering people. It's base level irony but I like it.  Initech   Jun-01-09 12:34 PM   #152 
  - operation rescue = terrorist organization (domestic)  bdamomma   Jun-01-09 01:09 PM   #154 
     - I don't know. Can we allow Al Qaida to disassociate themselves from the 9/11 Hijackers?  Wizard777   Jun-01-09 05:30 PM   #161 

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