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Fri May-29-09 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #86 |
| 89. I offer that jokes are tricky stuff |
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for non professionals, and that the President has yet to master the altered dynamics that come from being no longer the underdog, but the top dog. He holds the highest status on Earth. Status is a huge element of humor. I will agree with you that he might have been attempting to be self deprecating, which is his practice, he has not learned how difficult it is to be self deprecating in his position. Frankly, I don't think he should ad lib jokes much. He misses his mark, not because he's not funny or not well intentioned, but because it is hard to be funny in his position without risking all sorts of confusions, and in fact without showing more of your actual self than you really want to show. I found the comment last night to be kind of sad, really. And about himself more than about others. But I can also fully see why some would take offense, and I very much think other comments would have served him much better on many levels. Humor is a danger zone for him until he leans how to wield it as a figure of authority and a focal point of people's hopes.
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| -So, what was offensive about Obama's comments re:protestors? |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 07:56 PM |
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There is none ....... |
Tangerine LaBamba |
May-28-09 08:00 PM |
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There is nothing even remotely offensive about that remark. |
Political Tiger |
May-28-09 08:01 PM |
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I don't either. I've also seen how he has treated other protesters and he doesn't mock them. |
Pirate Smile |
May-28-09 08:04 PM |
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There is NO FUCKING WAY Obama didn't know what the protest was about |
katandmoon |
May-28-09 08:04 PM |
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Agreed - totally heartless on his part and people acting like he |
Thickasabrick |
May-28-09 08:08 PM |
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Hey, it's not like there was some stinging defeat for LGBT rights the day before he spoke |
jgraz |
May-28-09 08:20 PM |
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Why do you say that? I don't think he keeps a timetable of who is protesting what when. nt |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 09:50 PM |
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And apparently he gets no news briefings, either. |
kevinbgoode |
May-28-09 10:36 PM |
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Gay-rights protesters are not the only protesters in America, or even in California. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 11:05 PM |
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Of course...there were demonstrations by a multitude of groups and causes |
kevinbgoode |
May-28-09 11:43 PM |
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There were gay-rights protesters. They were not the only protesters. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 11:55 PM |
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Really. . .had he made promises to all of the protesting groups? |
kevinbgoode |
May-29-09 12:05 AM |
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He has promised to end the war in Iraq, to close Gitmo, to end torture, to increase transparency, |
Occam Bandage |
May-29-09 09:02 AM |
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EXACTLY. And he did it that way to brush it all off as unimportant. A let them eat cake moment |
earth mom |
May-29-09 02:21 PM |
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It was probably a scheduling thing. Who knows. |
ColbertWatcher |
May-29-09 03:44 PM |
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Sounds like he's worried about re-election. And he should be. nt |
earth mom |
May-30-09 01:06 AM |
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The fundraiser in Beverly Hills was for the DNC. |
ColbertWatcher |
May-30-09 01:40 AM |
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As I understand it, he was being protested by several groups |
cali |
May-29-09 04:00 PM |
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I think people expected he would at the very least comment on Prop 8 |
ruggerson |
May-28-09 08:04 PM |
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that's the nub of it |
bigtree |
May-28-09 08:06 PM |
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This. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
May-28-09 08:10 PM |
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Pretty sensible position |
Uzybone |
May-28-09 08:40 PM |
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I completely agree with you that his silence on gay rights is enormously problematic. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 10:08 PM |
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Nothing really offensive, |
tekisui |
May-28-09 08:06 PM |
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The events were well publicized. He knew exactly what they |
Thickasabrick |
May-28-09 08:06 PM |
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But there are many people upset about many things. How should he have known |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 09:49 PM |
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Lame....he was in California. The ruling happened this week. The majority of |
Thickasabrick |
May-28-09 10:25 PM |
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The majority of the protests in that state in this week, yes. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 10:59 PM |
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Unbelieveable. |
kevinbgoode |
May-28-09 10:39 PM |
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It's true that this administration has been apathetic on gay rights. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 11:00 PM |
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There's nothing to get. It's just People Who Hate Obama making shit up.... |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-09 08:06 PM |
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the old standby defense: 'They hate the president' |
bigtree |
May-28-09 08:09 PM |
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blahblahblah.. Obama is like bush... Obama supporters are like bush supporters... blahblahblah. |
BlooInBloo |
May-28-09 08:10 PM |
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blahblahblah.. Obama is god . . . Obama critics are freepers looking to make trouble |
bigtree |
May-28-09 08:15 PM |
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LOL! This is fun! blahblahblah.. human nature applies to everyone but me! LOL! n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
May-28-09 10:35 PM |
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Just caught up on everything. This is BS outrage. |
ProSense |
May-28-09 08:12 PM |
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It's usually BS outrage |
bigtree |
May-28-09 08:16 PM |
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Stop the distortion. n/t |
ProSense |
May-28-09 08:17 PM |
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see you |
bigtree |
May-28-09 08:19 PM |
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When you can distinquish between |
ProSense |
May-28-09 08:23 PM |
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No, no, see, it's BS outrage unless it's *my* concerns |
Posteritatis |
May-29-09 12:29 AM |
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The matter at hand is an action taken by the voters of Calif, then the courts |
havocmom |
May-28-09 08:36 PM |
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You hate him |
HughMoran |
May-28-09 10:29 PM |
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you mean...President "separate but equal" Obama? |
kevinbgoode |
May-28-09 10:40 PM |
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I'm not sure if Obama was telling a true story or shaping the story to make a point.... |
Eric J in MN |
May-28-09 08:20 PM |
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The tone. |
ColbertWatcher |
May-28-09 08:21 PM |
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Okay. So the offense is that he didn't dispatch a staffer to write down the protesters' grievances. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 10:01 PM |
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No, the tone. |
ColbertWatcher |
May-28-09 10:33 PM |
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It's true that all protesters are beneath the lobbyists. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 10:51 PM |
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"It's true that all protesters are beneath the lobbyists." Exactly. |
ColbertWatcher |
May-28-09 11:12 PM |
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It's not so much a disregard for the people protesting as a lack of particular regard. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 11:21 PM |
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See! That's exactly the tone! It's a false equivalence that dismisses genuine concerns. |
ColbertWatcher |
May-28-09 11:47 PM |
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Yes. Most things are dismissed, valid and otherwise. Protesting doesn't work. There we go. nt |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 11:57 PM |
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I accept your apology! n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
May-29-09 12:09 AM |
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I'm not sure how that's an apology, but I'm glad you're happy. |
Occam Bandage |
May-29-09 09:03 AM |
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I knew that you would be! n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
May-29-09 03:28 PM |
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bullshit |
donheld |
May-28-09 11:35 PM |
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He never made a promise about gay marriage, so I don't get the offense either |
MiniMe |
May-28-09 08:29 PM |
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Here's a clue ... |
ColbertWatcher |
May-28-09 08:34 PM |
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He did promise to repeal DADT, and DOMA. He hasn't made any effort to push for either. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 09:51 PM |
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Bingo. n/t |
Thickasabrick |
May-28-09 10:27 PM |
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there isnt any but there are posters working hard to create a problem. n/t |
seabeyond |
May-28-09 08:40 PM |
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Okay, I'll play. |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-28-09 09:03 PM |
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I think if you are offended that Obama said it is fair for people to chant "keep your promise," |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 09:58 PM |
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Well said. "highest expectations of him as President." |
ColbertWatcher |
May-28-09 09:59 PM |
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I have two questions: |
rucky |
May-28-09 10:01 PM |
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1. To offend gay people. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 10:04 PM |
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Why are you going out of your way to be dismissive? |
rucky |
May-28-09 10:08 PM |
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It depends on what's being dismissed. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 10:19 PM |
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Fair 'nuff. |
rucky |
May-28-09 10:33 PM |
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Who said this had anything to do with gay people? |
HughMoran |
May-28-09 10:34 PM |
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Wow...the president had no idea what had happened in California? |
kevinbgoode |
May-28-09 10:34 PM |
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There were also protests about his treatment of Armenia going on at the same time. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 11:02 PM |
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Does it really matter which group of protesters he was dismissing? |
ColbertWatcher |
May-28-09 11:18 PM |
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That's a fair argument but an unrelated one. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 11:29 PM |
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Very good post |
HughMoran |
May-28-09 11:33 PM |
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Were the Armenian-American protests in the newspaper beforehand? |
kevinbgoode |
May-28-09 11:41 PM |
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Obama never claimed he was unaware of gay-rights protests. |
Occam Bandage |
May-28-09 11:53 PM |
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Why would he be aware of those issues and a planned demonstration? |
kevinbgoode |
May-29-09 12:08 AM |
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Because he isn't a moron. |
Occam Bandage |
May-29-09 09:07 AM |
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Probably not. |
ColbertWatcher |
May-29-09 12:24 AM |
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No, my argument is that it doesn't matter who he insulted; he needs to apologize. |
ColbertWatcher |
May-29-09 12:10 AM |
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And my argument is that he did not insult them, for reasons in the post you replied to. nt |
Occam Bandage |
May-29-09 09:07 AM |
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A President doesn't insult people; he should apologize. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
May-29-09 03:27 PM |
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Great RemarksOn His Part And A Great Testament To His Character. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-28-09 11:22 PM |
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Absolutely NOTHING. |
kid a |
May-28-09 11:57 PM |
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He is joking about their protest. Maybe it wasn't a good joke. nt. |
sam kane |
May-29-09 01:48 AM |
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At worst it was a stupid joke--there were lots of protestors not only re: gay marriage but other |
WI_DEM |
May-29-09 09:07 AM |
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Exactly. He makes dumb jokes all the time. |
ColbertWatcher |
May-29-09 03:56 PM |
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Nothing to get. Remarks were taken out of context. He was being self deprecating. End of story nt |
HamdenRice |
May-29-09 03:47 PM |
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I offer that jokes are tricky stuff |
Bluenorthwest |
May-29-09 03:56 PM |
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Exactly. Thank you. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
May-29-09 04:06 PM |
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Wow. Imagine a political world in which politicians never attempted humor. |
HamdenRice |
May-29-09 04:14 PM |
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Note, oh person of words |
Bluenorthwest |
May-29-09 04:50 PM |
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He is already a skilled humorist |
HamdenRice |
May-29-09 04:55 PM |
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I agree that he has shown a great sense of humor |
Bluenorthwest |
May-29-09 05:12 PM |
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"The comment was not a slight of anyone" No, it was ... |
ColbertWatcher |
May-29-09 05:29 PM |
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"he should have been ready to win the moment." Once again, I am in agreement with you. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
May-29-09 05:26 PM |
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Remember the teabaggers? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-29-09 03:48 PM |
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Um, not the exact same thing. None of the LA protesters accused him of doing something he didn't do. |
ColbertWatcher |
May-29-09 04:01 PM |
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I was in DC on vacation a while back |
dem mba |
May-29-09 03:50 PM |
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Um, not really. |
ColbertWatcher |
May-29-09 04:04 PM |
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Yeah, I'm sure he missed all the news coverage the day before about prop 8 being upheld |
t0dd |
May-30-09 01:16 AM |
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PROTESTERS! |
smalll |
May-30-09 01:19 AM |
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In my opinion |
Time for change |
May-30-09 08:15 AM |
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It is offensive because the President of the United States of America ... |
ColbertWatcher |
May-30-09 10:08 PM |
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absolutely nothing |
ncteechur |
May-30-09 10:16 PM |
#107 |