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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 01:46 PM
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5. Simply looking at the percentages, 5 of the top 20 should have been
black. If three, or even one or two, had been in the top twenty it could be dismissed as a statistical anomaly. But for not even one to be in the 15 slots for promotion, or not even one to be among the top twenty finishers, is simply outside the probabilities, indicating a systemic problem. By all means, look at the training schedule. But don't close off those promotions until AFTER the problem has been fixed.

This does not look at all like 'reverse discrimination' to me - it looks like flat out discrimination, against the black firefighters who were shut out.
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  -About Those White Firefighters that claim discrimination. Gman2  May-28-09 09:11 AM   #0 
  - I think you are clueless about the specifics of that case  ProgressiveProfessor   May-28-09 09:34 AM   #1 
  - They Republicans wanted her to be an "activist" judge in that case and are criticizing her  Pirate Smile   May-28-09 09:52 AM   #2 
  - Wasn't the basis for them rejecting the test result due to the fact that  RaleighNCDUer   May-28-09 10:14 AM   #3 
     - If that is the case then at the very least you have to prove that.  Statistical   May-28-09 01:30 PM   #4 
     - Simply looking at the percentages, 5 of the top 20 should have been  RaleighNCDUer   May-28-09 01:46 PM   #5 
        - but the city didn't do that.  Statistical   May-28-09 01:58 PM   #6 
        - I am SO with you on this. Since I live in New Haven and have had this mayor  CTyankee   May-29-09 02:48 PM   #17 
           - I know people in New Haven who were glad when he ran...  brendan120678   May-29-09 02:57 PM   #19 
              - I am pained to say that I actually voted for this guy for governor and for mayor.  CTyankee   May-29-09 03:05 PM   #20 
        - What you are missing/refusing to acknowledge is how the test was done  ProgressiveProfessor   May-28-09 06:23 PM   #7 
           - Maybe there are no facts in evidence because nobody was  RaleighNCDUer   May-28-09 07:01 PM   #10 
              - The test itself has never been challenged nor the training  ProgressiveProfessor   May-28-09 07:09 PM   #11 
                 - my question i sprobuably naive, but couldnt it be that the best candidates were the guys who did  vadawg   May-28-09 07:12 PM   #12 
                    - OMG, how dare you suggest the competence and merit matter  ProgressiveProfessor   May-28-09 07:13 PM   #13 
     - There is nothing on the record to suport your assumptions  ProgressiveProfessor   May-28-09 06:24 PM   #8 
        - And nothing on record to refute them. nt  RaleighNCDUer   May-28-09 07:32 PM   #14 
  - Wasn't one of the potential firefighters Hispanic? It was my understanding  fair trade soy chai   May-28-09 06:52 PM   #9 
  - The whole scoring higher thingie is a red herring  Gman2   May-29-09 10:18 AM   #15 
     - There is no prima facie evidence that the process was flawed,in fact there is evidence to the  ProgressiveProfessor   May-29-09 02:31 PM   #16 
     - But other cities have used other test methodologies that DO produce more racially mixed  CTyankee   May-29-09 02:56 PM   #18 
        - Actually they went to an outside test company that had generated  ProgressiveProfessor   May-29-09 06:05 PM   #21 
           - No, it is my understanding that the test they used had not been used before.  CTyankee   May-29-09 07:09 PM   #23 
              - You haven't yet proven the test was "unfair racially".  Statistical   May-29-09 08:29 PM   #27 
                 - You are right about "may be." But why not use a test that "did" produce racially balanced scores  CTyankee   May-30-09 07:42 AM   #28 
     - It wasn't a resume or job application  Statistical   May-29-09 08:19 PM   #26 
  - These tests require serious studying to do well on.  Kat45   May-29-09 06:37 PM   #22 
  - I am not sure this is the issue entirely. Some cities use tests that involve simulation  CTyankee   May-29-09 07:22 PM   #24 
  - Link to oral arguments audio.  sl8   May-29-09 07:33 PM   #25 

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