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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 08:47 AM
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2. Sorry, you won't find me rushing to that madman's defense.
Edited on Thu May-28-09 08:47 AM by Richardo
Il's paranoia has nothing to do with any perceived violations of his sovereignty. He's a fucking nutcase.

NK has been a provocative loose cannon for decades, so really a blockade is a pretty low intensity measure to control them, compared to the alternatives.
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  -What right do we have to board and inspect North Korean ships? Hugabear  May-28-09 08:41 AM   #0 
  - link please  cali   May-28-09 08:42 AM   #1 
  - Link to what?  Hugabear   May-28-09 08:50 AM   #5 
  - Sorry, you won't find me rushing to that madman's defense.  Richardo   May-28-09 08:47 AM   #2 
  - Blockades are considered an act of war  Hugabear   May-28-09 08:48 AM   #3 
  - depends. and backing out of the amistice agreement was N. Korea's move, .  cali   May-28-09 08:55 AM   #8 
  - We're already at war with NK  Richardo   May-28-09 08:55 AM   #10 
  - So be it.  Captain Hilts   May-28-09 09:29 AM   #35 
  - Yes, we're still at war with North Korea  Recursion   May-28-09 09:35 AM   #39 
     - No, we (if you are referring to the US) are not  Seeking Serenity   May-28-09 06:52 PM   #85 
  - Ditto  WilliamPitt   May-28-09 08:48 AM   #4 
  - It's a matter of principle  Hugabear   May-28-09 08:52 AM   #6 
     - Agree, the change I voted for includes stopping the policy of unilateral action.  shadowknows69   May-28-09 09:02 AM   #16 
     - What's unilateral about a 90-nation coalition?  Richardo   May-28-09 09:05 AM   #19 
     - Isn't that the same argument that BushCo gave for his Iraqi invasion?  Hugabear   May-28-09 09:09 AM   #23 
        - bwahahahaha. yeah, it's exactly like bush. not.  cali   May-28-09 09:19 AM   #30 
     - This guy IS the loose cannon that GWB tried to convince us Hussein was. nt  Captain Hilts   May-28-09 09:30 AM   #36 
     - LOL! UNSC resolutions are unilateral now? (nt)  Posteritatis   May-28-09 09:52 AM   #49 
     - What's to stop China and Russia from stopping and inspecting US ships?  cherokeeprogressive   May-28-09 09:46 AM   #47 
        - aaargh. russia and china are not going to stop U.S. ships over this  cali   May-28-09 09:54 AM   #51 
           - Nobody said Russia & China would do it now - but what about the future?  Hugabear   May-28-09 10:43 AM   #53 
           - 100% Agreement.  cherokeeprogressive   May-28-09 11:40 AM   #59 
  - He may well be a madman but so are those  malaise   May-28-09 08:52 AM   #7 
  - The U.S.. and dozens of other countries- 89 to be exact  cali   May-28-09 08:56 AM   #11 
  - Again - that's the same argument Bush used regarding Iraq  Hugabear   May-28-09 09:10 AM   #24 
  - no, it's not like bush and iraq.  cali   May-28-09 09:20 AM   #32 
     - Then it shouldn't be any problem to get a proper UN resolution passed, should it?  Hugabear   May-28-09 09:37 AM   #40 
        - Resolution 1540. n/t.  cali   May-28-09 09:40 AM   #45 
           - That's a pretty vague resolution there  Hugabear   May-28-09 10:49 AM   #54 
              - yes, it's a vague and BROAD resoloution  cali   May-28-09 10:52 AM   #56 
  - Correctamundo. Japan, Korea, Taiwan etc. would support and participate. nt  Captain Hilts   May-28-09 09:31 AM   #37 
  - Blah blah blah  Richardo   May-28-09 08:57 AM   #12 
  - We'd be doing the Korean people - North and South - a favor to be forceful with this idiot. nt  Captain Hilts   May-28-09 09:28 AM   #34 
  - North Korea doesn't play by the rules, so they get to be  cboy4   May-28-09 08:55 AM   #9 
  - And we do? Sorry, when we gain back the moral high ground, probably decades from now  shadowknows69   May-28-09 09:05 AM   # 
     - Sorry. The rule-breakers are no longer in the White House.  cboy4   May-28-09 09:18 AM   #29 
     - The Bush administration's failings do not mandate that we turn off our brains.  Raskolnik   May-28-09 11:21 AM   #58 
  - What Right Did We Have To Attack Germany in WWII? nt  MannyGoldstein   May-28-09 08:57 AM   #13 
  - They declared war on us after we declared war on their ally Japan in December 1941  Richardo   May-28-09 08:59 AM   #14 
     - Last Time I Checked, We're Still At War With North Korea  MannyGoldstein   May-28-09 11:56 AM   #60 
        - Right. I have to confess I mis-read the tone of your post.  Richardo   May-28-09 01:11 PM   #63 
        - No, we, the United States, are not. (n/t)  Seeking Serenity   May-28-09 07:02 PM   #86 
  - North Korea Attacking US Ships?  zorahopkins   May-28-09 09:01 AM   #15 
  - I double dog dare them. nt  Captain Hilts   May-28-09 09:38 AM   #41 
  - Well, they did shoot down an unarmed Navy aircraft in the late 60's  Obamanaut   May-28-09 06:50 PM   #84 
  - The same right they have to sell nuclear materials to rogue groups...  kentuck   May-28-09 09:03 AM   #17 
  - Why should we even bother. Russia, China, S Korea, and Japan have a bigger interest in this issue.  JVS   May-28-09 09:04 AM   #18 
  - treaties with Japan and S. Korea. that simple.  cali   May-28-09 09:05 AM   #20 
  - Japan and S Korea should quit mooching off of us for security  JVS   May-28-09 09:06 AM   #21 
  - yeah, let them develop their own nukes. n/t  cali   May-28-09 09:18 AM   #28 
  - South Korea... Japan  virginia mountainman   May-28-09 09:53 AM   #50 
  - Oh yeah and we're all about honoring treaties these days  shadowknows69   May-28-09 09:07 AM   #22 
     - So let's bail on all our allies then?  rockymountaindem   May-28-09 09:12 AM   #26 
     - Yea, we'd be back in the stone ages if that were to happen.  cboy4   May-28-09 09:20 AM   #31 
        - Nice to see there's something we can agree on n/t  rockymountaindem   May-28-09 09:39 AM   #43 
     - and obama isn't bush. are you suggesting that obama should abandon  cali   May-28-09 09:14 AM   #27 
  - I agree with you.  smirkymonkey   May-28-09 12:22 PM   #61 
  - we're murika... we can do whatever we want, didn't you know.  ejpoeta   May-28-09 09:12 AM   #25 
  - sorry, that has nothing to do with this situation. n/t  cali   May-28-09 09:34 AM   #38 
     - sure it does. we think that we have the right to do whatever we want  ejpoeta   May-28-09 10:31 AM   #52 
        - Do you think "we" are in the wrong in the present situation with NK? n/t  Raskolnik   May-28-09 03:11 PM   #69 
  - They have shot rockets at their neighbors and have also threatened them. THAT gives us the right.nt  Captain Hilts   May-28-09 09:27 AM   #33 
  - When did this happen?  Hugabear   May-28-09 09:39 AM   #44 
     - They certainly did shoot missiles at Japan. Didn't hit, but they shot them.  Captain Hilts   May-28-09 09:43 AM   #46 
        - Did North Korea actually target Japan with those missile tests?  Hugabear   May-28-09 10:51 AM   #55 
  - The subject of maritime law is complex but port states have strong powers to interdict suspect ships  slackmaster   May-28-09 09:39 AM   #42 
  - Because "bring it on" and "smoke 'em out" is an American tradition.  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-28-09 09:48 AM   #48 
  - And simplistic sloganeering as a substitute for rational thought is not useful  Raskolnik   May-28-09 11:17 AM   #57 
     - Not to mention politicians. "Change" "Hope" "Transparent Government"  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-28-09 02:52 PM   #65 
        - You don't like Obama. Fine.  Raskolnik   May-28-09 03:09 PM   #68 
           - I don't lke bosses who send others to killl and die for nothing.  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-28-09 03:26 PM   #71 
              - And I don't like cancer or child abuse.  Raskolnik   May-28-09 03:37 PM   #73 
                 - Yet you support the bosses who would do so?  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-28-09 03:53 PM   #75 
                    - Again, I get it. You don't like Obama.  Raskolnik   May-28-09 03:56 PM   #76 
  - It'll be interesting to see if the US can handle North Korea w/o using nukes.  tuckessee   May-28-09 12:39 PM   #62 
     - This would be the type of war for which the U.S. armed forces is built.  Raskolnik   May-28-09 02:45 PM   #64 
        - Yeah. That worked ever so well in Vietnam.  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-28-09 02:53 PM   #66 
        - I think that is a rather poor comparison.  Raskolnik   May-28-09 03:07 PM   #67 
           - Sounds like a recipe for a Pyrrhic "victory".  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-28-09 03:23 PM   #70 
              - No reasonable person is suggesting that going to war against NK would be desirable  Raskolnik   May-28-09 03:36 PM   #72 
                 - What should trigger an "armed response"?  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-28-09 03:52 PM   #74 
                    - Well, NK launching missiles at SK, the US, or Japan would certainly qualify.  Raskolnik   May-28-09 04:03 PM   #78 
                       - The best laid plans of mice and men....  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-28-09 04:28 PM   #80 
                          - You have yet to lay out a plausible scenario that implicates a guerrilla war.  Raskolnik   May-28-09 04:37 PM   #81 
                             - I find the idea that we're going to chase them back across the border implausible.  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-28-09 05:01 PM   #82 
        - So you're okay with tens of thousands of American troop deaths?  Hugabear   May-28-09 03:59 PM   #77 
           - Please point out which portion of my post leads you to believe that I am "okay" with  Raskolnik   May-28-09 04:05 PM   #79 
              - Ever notice with responses around here..  Posteritatis   May-28-09 06:44 PM   #83 

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