EFerrari
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Wed May-27-09 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #80 |
| 88. That poster still denies it's even a topic of conversation |
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even after having been provided with links to ACLU, Amnesty, CCR, Horton, Turley, Greenwald, Maddow, the ICRC and UN.
I wouldn't spend too much time on this.
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| -Preventive Incarceration Is Tyranny |
Time for change |
May-26-09 06:50 PM |
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K&R |
Solly Mack |
May-26-09 06:54 PM |
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Tell it to GWBush. Get back to us when, if ever, President Obama institutes such a policy. |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 06:55 PM |
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How can you say that? |
Time for change |
May-26-09 07:00 PM |
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Because I don't take others' word for what the president said, I look at his actual words. |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 07:28 PM |
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No, I doubt very much that that's correct |
Time for change |
May-26-09 07:51 PM |
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I've read Feingold, ACLU, CCR, and others' statements and interpretations. |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 08:17 PM |
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It is his responsibility to refute widely made sincere interpretations |
Time for change |
May-26-09 08:30 PM |
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And thats okay? |
LAGC |
May-26-09 08:53 PM |
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I hope you don't think that I was saying that that's ok |
Time for change |
May-26-09 08:59 PM |
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Oh, okay, sorry. |
LAGC |
May-26-09 09:01 PM |
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I was quoting Obama's words |
Time for change |
May-26-09 09:04 PM |
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Then Obama should immediately refute the assertions made by scholars.. |
girl gone mad |
May-26-09 08:55 PM |
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Name one president who regularly responded/refuted misinterpretations by "scholars". |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 09:02 PM |
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This question is moot for the purpose of determining what Obama said |
Time for change |
May-26-09 09:56 PM |
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"I am not going to release individuals who endanger the American people." |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 09:59 PM |
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In other words, you are saying that |
Time for change |
May-26-09 10:03 PM |
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Yes, he should. |
Political Heretic |
May-26-09 10:10 PM |
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Oh FFS. Just get on with it you hack, you're an Obamite and would excuse him |
Greyhound |
May-26-09 11:19 PM |
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I love you, Greyhound. |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 09:49 AM |
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Do you support the policy of "preventive detention" or don't you? |
EOTE |
May-27-09 10:53 AM |
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I still maintain that he has no such policy and that he only mentioned the dilemma. |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 01:09 PM |
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So what was the point of your post 31? |
EOTE |
May-27-09 01:47 PM |
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Regarding assistance by Congress |
Torn_Scorned_Ignored |
May-27-09 02:06 PM |
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Actually, that's the current policy. Obama's policy. |
BuyingThyme |
May-26-09 08:18 PM |
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No kidding. I've never seem such passivity or such abject denial |
EFerrari |
May-26-09 08:26 PM |
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I love you, EFerrari! |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 08:50 PM |
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Nope, it's a policy in flux. That's clear to anyone willing to read up on it... |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 08:49 PM |
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Nope, it's people being held by the Obama administration without charges. |
BuyingThyme |
May-26-09 08:50 PM |
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True, until such time as they are released, which is being arranged as we speak... |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 08:52 PM |
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"In some cases" was the Bush policy too. |
BuyingThyme |
May-26-09 08:56 PM |
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They also both drive a limo, Bush and Obama. And, OMG, they both wear SHOES!!! |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 08:58 PM |
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But limos and shoes don't trample on habeas corpus. |
BuyingThyme |
May-26-09 09:01 PM |
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No, Bush did that and left a Brer Patch of trouble for Obama to undo. |
NYC_SKP |
May-26-09 09:03 PM |
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This is the silliest, most tired excuse I've ever heard. |
Political Heretic |
May-26-09 10:16 PM |
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IMO |
tan guera |
May-26-09 10:58 PM |
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so what is YOUR solution? |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-27-09 03:08 PM |
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Because, in a democracy, good citizens wait until it's convenient to voice their opinions |
jgraz |
May-26-09 08:29 PM |
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K&R |
leftstreet |
May-26-09 08:18 PM |
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K&R |
Richard Steele |
May-26-09 08:55 PM |
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We Should Call This What It Really Is -- Paranoid Detention |
Senator |
May-26-09 09:15 PM |
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Excellent points Senator |
Time for change |
May-27-09 09:08 AM |
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Great post. Political parties sometimes don't allow people |
mmonk |
May-26-09 09:18 PM |
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Yes, it most certainly is nonpartisan -- Or at least is SHOULD be |
Time for change |
May-27-09 10:30 AM |
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My God, it's like we're living right in |
Wednesdays |
May-26-09 09:37 PM |
#29 |
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Any diabolical regime |
tan guera |
May-26-09 11:04 PM |
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Without even the cover of the psychics. n/t |
Greyhound |
May-26-09 11:24 PM |
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I thought of that while I was writing this |
Time for change |
May-27-09 05:43 PM |
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I share your interpretation of President Obama's words, Time for change. We must |
bertman |
May-26-09 10:19 PM |
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Thank you bertman |
Time for change |
May-27-09 05:59 PM |
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I'm particularly impressed with the Grenier part of your piece |
mmonk |
May-26-09 10:22 PM |
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Auto K&R with a double plus good thrown in. |
Greyhound |
May-26-09 11:12 PM |
#39 |
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I'm watching re-runs of Boston Legal |
tan guera |
May-27-09 12:16 AM |
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I used to think that stuff was made up and/or over-dramatized, I thought that the |
Greyhound |
May-27-09 03:23 AM |
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Thank you --"The 45th President" gives us a lot to think about |
Time for change |
May-27-09 06:01 PM |
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Given what happened on 9/11, I have to disagree |
stevietheman |
May-26-09 11:33 PM |
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I am concerned...... |
voc |
May-27-09 02:44 AM |
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Some are probably. |
mmonk |
May-27-09 07:13 AM |
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"The System" was what made America better than other places. |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-09 04:51 PM |
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The problem is the general publics amnesia... |
wuvuj |
May-27-09 07:32 AM |
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Given what happened on 9/11 |
Time for change |
May-27-09 12:01 PM |
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"What happened on 9/11" is far from certain. Continuing to use that rubric ... |
puebloknot |
May-27-09 02:35 PM |
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Oh yes. Fascism. It's the new freedom. |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-09 04:47 PM |
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We can't take the chance of becoming them. |
Orsino |
May-28-09 08:00 AM |
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K&R |
pleah |
May-27-09 06:54 AM |
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In a surveillance society...we are ALL under.... |
wuvuj |
May-27-09 07:15 AM |
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True...the corporate/police state is all around us |
Echo In Light |
May-27-09 09:59 AM |
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True...the corporate/police state is all around us |
Echo In Light |
May-27-09 09:59 AM |
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Stop, just stop. Reality has no place here. |
rhett o rick |
May-27-09 06:39 PM |
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Yeah, I'm still wondering how it's any different from preemptive war |
shadowknows69 |
May-27-09 07:47 AM |
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It's not |
Time for change |
May-27-09 06:28 PM |
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there's our CHANGE we can belive in! |
upi402 |
May-27-09 10:00 AM |
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It's CYA politics to avoid facing failure. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
May-27-09 10:20 AM |
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That O is even entertaining this notion --- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
May-27-09 10:50 AM |
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K & R, bookmarked |
Raksha |
May-27-09 12:06 PM |
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Happens all the time with mental illness and domestic violence. |
moondust |
May-27-09 12:22 PM |
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First of all, that's a mental health designation, and I doubt that it applies to the detainees that |
Time for change |
May-27-09 01:12 PM |
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As for Gitmo... |
moondust |
May-27-09 01:46 PM |
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Good point moondust |
windoe |
May-27-09 02:33 PM |
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"...classified as a mental health case..." You mean the way they did it ... |
puebloknot |
May-27-09 02:42 PM |
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Not even close. |
moondust |
May-27-09 03:40 PM |
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You say "I haven't concluded yet that Obama intends to detain anybody indefinitely without some kind |
Time for change |
May-27-09 03:50 PM |
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Quite honestly |
moondust |
May-27-09 04:20 PM |
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I think you're the one who's reading too much into it. |
Time for change |
May-27-09 04:36 PM |
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Thank you for this insightful post. |
man4allcats |
May-27-09 02:11 PM |
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Wonderful! It is surreal that many on the left don't understand the basic premises |
debbierlus |
May-27-09 02:27 PM |
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Thank you |
Time for change |
May-27-09 06:47 PM |
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This OP = "Preventive Outrage" |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 02:47 PM |
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This from a person who begins by arguing that Obama has no intention to use preventive incarceration |
Time for change |
May-27-09 03:36 PM |
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Please indicate where I said any such thing. |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 03:39 PM |
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Oh for God sakes -- I'll point it out again |
Time for change |
May-27-09 04:15 PM |
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LOL! |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 04:56 PM |
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What he will not do is that he will not release them from incarceration |
Time for change |
May-27-09 05:08 PM |
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Precisely. I accept your apology. |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 06:24 PM |
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That poster still denies it's even a topic of conversation |
EFerrari |
May-27-09 05:01 PM |
#88 |
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Yes, I guess you're right |
Time for change |
May-27-09 05:19 PM |
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I want to thank you for putting the OP together for us. |
EFerrari |
May-27-09 05:21 PM |
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Thank you |
Time for change |
May-27-09 05:30 PM |
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I Accept Your Apology, too, EFerrari. |
NYC_SKP |
May-27-09 06:26 PM |
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I don't even understand why you posted to this thread. |
EFerrari |
May-27-09 05:37 PM |
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K and R |
Mari333 |
May-27-09 03:38 PM |
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pre-emptive incarceration--wasn't that the premise of the movie |
SemperEadem |
May-27-09 04:37 PM |
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Yes |
Time for change |
May-27-09 06:50 PM |
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Nixon's former Attorney General, John Mitchell, had it right. |
Dr.Phool |
May-27-09 04:57 PM |
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Yes, yes it is. |
HughMoran |
May-27-09 08:44 PM |
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Thanks for the thoughtful posts. |
reprehensor |
May-28-09 07:23 AM |
#104 |
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