| 109. People born in Puerto Rico ARE US citizens - I don't know why you are fighting when people |
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seem to be agreeing with you...
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| -Nathan Deal, Georgia Lawmaker, Wants To End "Birthright Citizenship" |
kristopher |
May-26-09 02:37 PM |
#0 |
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Yah, well...good luck with all that. Amending the |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 02:40 PM |
#1 |
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Yes and no. |
kristopher |
May-26-09 05:19 PM |
#24 |
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You have no idea. Such an amendment would not be possible. |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 07:01 PM |
#52 |
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It is true that I'm not paying attention. |
kristopher |
May-26-09 09:52 PM |
#58 |
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public support for this issue is "very high" ?? I guess you polled everyone? |
Blue_Tires |
May-27-09 01:41 PM |
#101 |
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Public atitutudes on immigration reform are one of the most highly polled subjects out there |
kristopher |
May-27-09 01:47 PM |
#103 |
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public support for general immigration reform and support for this specific proposal |
Blue_Tires |
May-27-09 02:19 PM |
#107 |
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It says the climate is favorable. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 03:54 PM |
#121 |
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The climate for making every delivery a paternity verification issue |
jberryhill |
May-27-09 10:21 PM |
#152 |
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It seems to work in the rest of the world. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 11:16 PM |
#158 |
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Here is a reality check |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-28-09 01:02 AM |
#182 |
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Actually I found the list |
kristopher |
May-28-09 01:12 AM |
#184 |
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Partly to dredd scott, partly as the standard of the age in international law |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-28-09 01:24 AM |
#188 |
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At least one piece of your information isn't correct... |
kristopher |
May-28-09 01:40 AM |
#192 |
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Not when you pick up the US Citizenship |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-28-09 01:42 AM |
#193 |
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It's getting late |
kristopher |
May-28-09 01:48 AM |
#196 |
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I say go for it and then ship the Anti-American out! |
rustydog |
May-26-09 07:41 PM |
#55 |
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Deal may or may not be a racist |
kristopher |
May-26-09 10:27 PM |
#65 |
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I prefer the simplicity of: you were born here, you're American. |
Eric J in MN |
May-26-09 02:41 PM |
#2 |
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Why? |
kristopher |
May-26-09 05:31 PM |
#25 |
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Because the children of immigrants shouldn't have to prove their Americanism |
Bucky |
May-26-09 09:59 PM |
#60 |
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That is probably the WORST straaw man I've seen today. |
kristopher |
May-26-09 10:15 PM |
#63 |
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Correction: second best |
Bucky |
May-26-09 10:33 PM |
#68 |
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What was written: |
kristopher |
May-26-09 10:46 PM |
#69 |
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you seem to be ignoring a few important words |
fishwax |
May-27-09 10:05 PM |
#146 |
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I'm ignoring nothing |
kristopher |
May-27-09 11:24 PM |
#159 |
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none of which is relevant to your silly presumption that the Bucky was advocating one-world govt |
fishwax |
May-27-09 11:46 PM |
#167 |
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I'd love to hear of the others |
kristopher |
May-27-09 11:49 PM |
#169 |
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Canada, for instance |
fishwax |
May-27-09 11:52 PM |
#171 |
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Thank you!!! |
kristopher |
May-28-09 12:13 AM |
#175 |
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And to your other comment |
kristopher |
May-27-09 11:51 PM |
#170 |
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what you continue to ignore is the fact that |
fishwax |
May-27-09 11:53 PM |
#172 |
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your double negative is a bit confusing |
kristopher |
May-28-09 12:04 AM |
#174 |
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what makes you think he doesn't? |
fishwax |
May-28-09 12:17 AM |
#176 |
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I think I'm more focused on the word "unfairly" |
kristopher |
May-28-09 12:33 AM |
#177 |
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it's still a huge logical leap to get to the elimination of the nation state itself |
fishwax |
May-28-09 12:42 AM |
#178 |
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I read the post (in its totality) differently than you. |
kristopher |
May-28-09 12:47 AM |
#179 |
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as they say, you're entitled to your own interpretation, but not your own facts |
fishwax |
May-28-09 12:55 AM |
#180 |
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I'm not "making up facts" |
kristopher |
May-28-09 01:05 AM |
#183 |
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that's rather amusing |
fishwax |
May-28-09 01:13 AM |
#185 |
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If I had, I would |
kristopher |
May-28-09 01:17 AM |
#186 |
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I'm for changing it three ways... |
DatManFromNawlins |
May-26-09 10:29 PM |
#67 |
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Well, the law is that if you are born here, you are an American. |
closeupready |
May-26-09 10:53 PM |
#70 |
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The discussion is "Do we want to change that law?" |
kristopher |
May-26-09 10:57 PM |
#73 |
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Not sure I understand the logic behind two and three. |
kristopher |
May-26-09 10:56 PM |
#72 |
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You use the word "easy" |
jberryhill |
May-27-09 10:22 PM |
#154 |
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That's a red herring |
kristopher |
May-27-09 11:27 PM |
#160 |
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That's not a rational response to the comment |
jberryhill |
May-28-09 08:36 AM |
#206 |
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won't change a thing right now ... |
zbdent |
May-26-09 02:41 PM |
#3 |
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DING DING DING! Zbdent, you're our grand prize winner! |
rocktivity |
May-26-09 02:48 PM |
#8 |
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That makes no sense. |
kristopher |
May-26-09 05:32 PM |
#26 |
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meaning that it's a cosmetic law ... |
zbdent |
May-26-09 06:37 PM |
#50 |
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I really don't give a fig about the right's goals and deporting people. |
kristopher |
May-26-09 09:57 PM |
#59 |
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And it's not something a Governor has any say over... |
joeybee12 |
May-26-09 02:41 PM |
#4 |
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That = 1 red herring, 1 poisoning the well, and 1 shoot the messenger |
kristopher |
May-26-09 05:36 PM |
#27 |
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So he needs to repeal that portion of the 14th amendment. |
WeDidIt |
May-26-09 02:42 PM |
#5 |
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Yah. This is flagburning, gay marriage, Republican junk legislation. |
aquart |
May-26-09 02:52 PM |
#10 |
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Yep, only another amendment can override it. |
Xithras |
May-26-09 03:02 PM |
#15 |
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There is extremely high support for changing this |
kristopher |
May-26-09 05:37 PM |
#28 |
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Citation please |
WeDidIt |
May-26-09 06:06 PM |
#37 |
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The issue of anchor babies is part and parcel of the immigration issue. |
kristopher |
May-26-09 06:39 PM |
#51 |
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May-26-09 07:32 PM |
#53 |
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Yes |
kristopher |
May-26-09 09:47 PM |
#57 |
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You made the assertion and cannot back it up |
WeDidIt |
May-27-09 08:19 AM |
#77 |
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"Public Opinion Snapshot: Public More Supportive of Immigration Reform" |
pampango |
May-27-09 08:37 AM |
#79 |
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'Not directly related to your discussion of "anchor babies"' |
WeDidIt |
May-27-09 08:38 AM |
#80 |
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One of two. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 12:35 PM |
#86 |
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I made no assertions. You did. |
WeDidIt |
May-27-09 01:03 PM |
#90 |
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Stating the obvious means... |
kristopher |
May-27-09 01:15 PM |
#93 |
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Methinks thou dost protest too much |
WeDidIt |
May-27-09 01:24 PM |
#97 |
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Considering you've made about 8 posts |
kristopher |
May-27-09 01:28 PM |
#99 |
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Dude, I'm still waiting for a citation |
WeDidIt |
May-27-09 02:39 PM |
#113 |
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Dude you still have the google. I don't respond to attempts to bully. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 03:54 PM |
#120 |
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Deleted message |
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May-27-09 06:15 PM |
#136 |
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There is no case involving native Americans n/t |
WeDidIt |
May-27-09 02:48 PM |
#117 |
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yes there is. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 03:58 PM |
#122 |
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A reasonable measure |
gratuitous |
May-26-09 02:43 PM |
#6 |
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"Babies born in the U.S. would automatically have citizenship only if |
rocktivity |
May-26-09 02:44 PM |
#7 |
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Are you sober? |
kristopher |
May-26-09 05:45 PM |
#30 |
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But SHOULD it be waived on the grounds of a child existing? |
rocktivity |
May-26-09 06:28 PM |
#48 |
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What waiver due to impending parenthood? |
kristopher |
May-26-09 06:35 PM |
#49 |
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The problem is that there WOULD be pregancy scenarios |
rocktivity |
May-26-09 08:22 PM |
#56 |
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Well, that's an opinion |
kristopher |
May-26-09 10:00 PM |
#61 |
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The law would be unconstitutional on its face. n/t |
WeDidIt |
May-27-09 02:47 PM |
#116 |
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Maybe, but the author of the clause didn't think so. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 04:00 PM |
#123 |
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SCOTUS already set the precedent, so his views don't mean shit. |
WeDidIt |
May-27-09 06:31 PM |
#138 |
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Brick, meet thick.... |
kristopher |
May-27-09 09:30 PM |
#141 |
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Wrong again |
WeDidIt |
May-28-09 05:46 AM |
#204 |
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They don't have to pay US citizens for that... |
jberryhill |
May-27-09 10:25 PM |
#155 |
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Uh-huh.... |
jberryhill |
May-27-09 10:02 PM |
#145 |
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I don't know |
kristopher |
May-27-09 11:33 PM |
#161 |
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Deal can go to hell. And take Dane with him. |
aquart |
May-26-09 02:49 PM |
#9 |
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Sounds reasonable to you, does it? |
Hugabear |
May-26-09 02:53 PM |
#11 |
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There are several ways nations determine citizenship, |
kristopher |
May-26-09 05:16 PM |
#23 |
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Sounds perfectly reasonable. |
Lance_Boyle |
May-26-09 02:56 PM |
#12 |
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My wife gave birth In China |
Blue Meany |
May-26-09 03:01 PM |
#14 |
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See Post #11 |
Hugabear |
May-26-09 04:12 PM |
#22 |
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That is a false claim. |
kristopher |
May-26-09 05:40 PM |
#29 |
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Why should the Dutch be able to disregard our drug laws? |
closeupready |
May-26-09 10:54 PM |
#71 |
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Can we give you the "reasonable" job of Official Identifier Of Fathers then /nt |
jberryhill |
May-27-09 10:27 PM |
#156 |
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Perhaps you and your wife have something you should talk about... |
kristopher |
May-27-09 11:36 PM |
#162 |
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Most countries have a national health care system |
jberryhill |
May-28-09 09:49 AM |
#210 |
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That dimwit is MY Rep! He's a do nothing AH! You know he used to be |
napi21 |
May-26-09 02:59 PM |
#13 |
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What would that change? The baby would still be in this country, |
ecstatic |
May-26-09 03:04 PM |
#16 |
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How so? |
kristopher |
May-26-09 05:47 PM |
#31 |
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Yes. Notice the amount of undocumented workers has declined sharply |
ecstatic |
May-26-09 06:17 PM |
#43 |
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I don't see a connection between the points you're listing |
kristopher |
May-26-09 06:21 PM |
#45 |
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Sorry for the confusion. I'm saying that people |
ecstatic |
May-27-09 12:44 AM |
#74 |
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Thank you. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 01:00 AM |
#75 |
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So if a baby is born here and we don't recognize her citizenship because of her parents' status |
Hello_Kitty |
May-26-09 03:08 PM |
#17 |
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The vast majority of coutries |
kristopher |
May-26-09 05:53 PM |
#32 |
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Except for the ones that don't. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
May-26-09 06:02 PM |
#36 |
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What "ones that don't"? |
kristopher |
May-26-09 06:08 PM |
#39 |
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YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW THE FATHER OF A BABY |
jberryhill |
May-27-09 10:06 PM |
#147 |
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What a stupid criticism based on a problem |
kristopher |
May-27-09 11:37 PM |
#164 |
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Obsession? |
jberryhill |
May-28-09 08:39 AM |
#208 |
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If this were part of an effective, comprehensive legislation aimed at |
Zorra |
May-26-09 03:11 PM |
#18 |
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It's neither. It's about 2010. He's got an election to win. |
EFerrari |
May-26-09 03:13 PM |
#19 |
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What do you mean"It's neither." |
kristopher |
May-26-09 05:56 PM |
#33 |
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What part of electioneering is unclear to you? |
EFerrari |
May-26-09 05:58 PM |
#34 |
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There were no insults in my post. |
kristopher |
May-26-09 06:12 PM |
#41 |
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What false argument? Today, Republicans are raising money |
EFerrari |
May-27-09 03:02 PM |
#118 |
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You are still off topic. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 04:05 PM |
#124 |
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Not at all. I'm not off topic. Your premise is false. |
EFerrari |
May-27-09 04:18 PM |
#125 |
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Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaase read a history book. nt |
kristopher |
May-27-09 04:24 PM |
#128 |
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I have my history straight, thanks. |
EFerrari |
May-27-09 04:32 PM |
#130 |
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... |
varelse |
May-27-09 01:48 PM |
#104 |
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It wasn't meant to automatically give citizenship to babies born to illegal immigrants? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-26-09 03:14 PM |
#20 |
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Hmmm |
kristopher |
May-26-09 06:07 PM |
#38 |
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The 14th amendment was for the protection of the children born not the parents. |
county worker |
May-26-09 06:11 PM |
#40 |
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That isn't true. |
kristopher |
May-26-09 06:16 PM |
#42 |
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How so? |
county worker |
May-27-09 10:54 AM |
#82 |
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The question what was the original intent of Sec. 1 Ammendment 14 |
kristopher |
May-27-09 12:40 PM |
#88 |
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No it wasn't. The question is, can a law passed now change the |
county worker |
May-27-09 02:22 PM |
#108 |
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The first sentence of the XIV amendment was there for a |
Thothmes |
May-26-09 06:24 PM |
#46 |
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read on |
county worker |
May-27-09 10:55 AM |
#83 |
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You are arguing a red herring |
kristopher |
May-27-09 01:01 PM |
#89 |
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I've shown you that you can't change that with a law. |
county worker |
May-27-09 02:24 PM |
#111 |
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You still don't get it. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 04:21 PM |
#126 |
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You apparently don't understand contsitutional law vs. codified law. n/t |
WeDidIt |
May-27-09 06:17 PM |
#137 |
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You are the one making uninformed broad generalizations. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 09:32 PM |
#142 |
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You've made claims that infer a constitutional provision |
WeDidIt |
May-28-09 05:42 AM |
#203 |
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I would rather let my 3 year old granddaughter take out my |
Libertyfirst |
May-26-09 03:49 PM |
#21 |
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WOW!!! |
kristopher |
May-26-09 06:19 PM |
#44 |
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I just love when conservatives adopt a "strict constructionist" view... |
colinmom71 |
May-26-09 06:02 PM |
#35 |
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There have been two lawsuits that went to the Supreme Court. |
kristopher |
May-26-09 06:25 PM |
#47 |
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Now you're citing BIRTHER BULLSHIT |
WeDidIt |
May-26-09 07:33 PM |
#54 |
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What "birther bullshit"? |
kristopher |
May-26-09 10:29 PM |
#66 |
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No citations and spouting off Birther bullshit as your evidence |
WeDidIt |
May-27-09 08:19 AM |
#76 |
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May-27-09 12:29 PM |
#85 |
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Again, citation |
WeDidIt |
May-27-09 02:42 PM |
#114 |
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Deleted message |
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May-27-09 04:22 PM |
#127 |
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By "birther bullshit", he refers to the Obama Birth Conspiracy Folks |
jberryhill |
May-27-09 10:11 PM |
#150 |
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Thank you |
kristopher |
May-27-09 11:39 PM |
#165 |
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"I'll keep an eye on you." |
snooper2 |
May-27-09 11:07 AM |
#84 |
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... |
kristopher |
May-27-09 01:24 PM |
#98 |
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You knew it was going to come up in this thread, though dincha? |
jberryhill |
May-27-09 10:09 PM |
#149 |
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Larf - Go read the real law at Obamaconspiracy.org, Birther /nt |
jberryhill |
May-27-09 10:07 PM |
#148 |
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This has nothing to do with Obama nor the claims regarding his birth |
kristopher |
May-27-09 11:46 PM |
#166 |
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Your failure to cite the precedent to which you refer |
jberryhill |
May-28-09 08:37 AM |
#207 |
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I believe this is called picking nits. Has this asshole ever read the |
walldude |
May-26-09 10:03 PM |
#62 |
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Do you really consider that a rebuttal? |
kristopher |
May-26-09 10:25 PM |
#64 |
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And once again a Repuke reveals his utter unfamiliarity with the Constitution. |
Vickers |
May-27-09 08:23 AM |
#78 |
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How so? |
kristopher |
May-27-09 01:10 PM |
#92 |
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Great! An underclass that can be exploited permanently! |
dendrobium |
May-27-09 09:37 AM |
#81 |
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We used to use Puerto Ricans for that purpose in this country |
old mark |
May-27-09 12:38 PM |
#87 |
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How is that related to how citizenship is passed on? |
kristopher |
May-27-09 01:21 PM |
#96 |
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People born in Puerto Rico ARE US citizens - I don't know why you are fighting when people |
old mark |
May-27-09 02:23 PM |
#109 |
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Sorry |
kristopher |
May-27-09 04:32 PM |
#131 |
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That has to do with immmigration policy. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 01:16 PM |
#94 |
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dendrobium made an apt point about "citizens of nowhere" |
suffragette |
May-28-09 01:27 AM |
#190 |
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I didn't say it wasn't. |
kristopher |
May-28-09 01:45 AM |
#194 |
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That is a problem that would be a direct result of what you advocate |
suffragette |
May-28-09 01:56 AM |
#198 |
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It is a narrow issue in the scheme of the immigration problem |
kristopher |
May-28-09 02:04 AM |
#201 |
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It is a potential negative effect of a policy you advocate |
suffragette |
May-28-09 02:10 AM |
#202 |
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Another distraction designed to fire up the racist redneck base. |
Ganja Ninja |
May-27-09 01:10 PM |
#91 |
| -
How is it "racist crap"? |
kristopher |
May-27-09 01:18 PM |
#95 |
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14th amendment n/t |
WeDidIt |
May-27-09 02:43 PM |
#115 |
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what a masturbatory crock....good luck getting THAT amendment past the dream stage |
Blue_Tires |
May-27-09 01:39 PM |
#100 |
| -
Why respond with name calling? |
kristopher |
May-27-09 01:45 PM |
#102 |
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i understand what you are trying to say |
Blue_Tires |
May-27-09 02:14 PM |
#106 |
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Of course it wouldn't be retroactive. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 04:40 PM |
#132 |
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Children born and raised here, knowing no other home |
varelse |
May-27-09 01:57 PM |
#105 |
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See post #132 |
kristopher |
May-27-09 04:42 PM |
#133 |
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Ummm it wouldn't need to be retroactive to have this effect |
varelse |
May-27-09 07:01 PM |
#140 |
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Did you read post 132? |
kristopher |
May-27-09 09:48 PM |
#143 |
| -
Is this the one that wants to fuck a mule, or the other one? |
Vickers |
May-27-09 02:24 PM |
#110 |
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I know whose campaign fund will be getting *my* money :P |
varelse |
May-27-09 06:55 PM |
#139 |
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What a bunch of crap. |
hunter |
May-27-09 02:37 PM |
#112 |
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I agree with him. n/t |
konnichi wa |
May-27-09 03:29 PM |
#119 |
| -
Pandering to the lowest common denominator... |
LanternWaste |
May-27-09 04:29 PM |
#129 |
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Ain't gonna happen.... |
Joe the Liberal |
May-27-09 05:14 PM |
#134 |
| -
i've thought about that myself |
libodem |
May-27-09 05:26 PM |
#135 |
| -
Food for Thought |
jberryhill |
May-27-09 10:30 PM |
#157 |
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It happens all the time everywhere in the world. |
kristopher |
May-27-09 11:47 PM |
#168 |
| -
Not At The Rate It Happens Here |
jberryhill |
May-28-09 08:34 AM |
#205 |
| -
What the hell? Is this an April Fools joke that got lost? Someone at DU thinks |
McCamy Taylor |
May-27-09 10:01 PM |
#144 |
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That's an ignorant assessment of the discussion |
kristopher |
May-28-09 12:02 AM |
#173 |
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Nathan Deal, Georgia Asshat, Thinks Fathers Are Known At Birth |
jberryhill |
May-27-09 10:16 PM |
#151 |
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I'd prefer to keep jus soli |
fishwax |
May-27-09 10:22 PM |
#153 |
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This is "reasonable"? I've heard it all on DU |
Uzybone |
May-27-09 11:36 PM |
#163 |
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14th amendment and international law |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-28-09 12:58 AM |
#181 |
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What does international law have to do with it? nt |
kristopher |
May-28-09 01:19 AM |
#187 |
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We are signatories to plenty of treaties that deal with this |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-28-09 01:26 AM |
#189 |
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The UN Conventions on Human Rights |
kristopher |
May-28-09 01:37 AM |
#191 |
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Metternich and the origin of the nation state. |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-28-09 01:48 AM |
#195 |
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Thanks, I'll look that stuff over. |
kristopher |
May-28-09 01:55 AM |
#197 |
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While you are at it look up NAFTA and side agreements |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-28-09 02:02 AM |
#200 |
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Indirectly, Yes... |
jberryhill |
May-28-09 09:45 AM |
#209 |
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I'm dead against this. |
TheKentuckian |
May-28-09 02:02 AM |
#199 |
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