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Tue May-26-09 04:58 PM
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| 100. I'll do you one better... |
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I oppose any contract for relationships. I just am against the act of signing a promise to stay with another person forever.
Having said that, I fully support LGBT community's fight for justice!
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| -I abhor what the SC of CA did today. That said, I remain opposed to |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:03 PM |
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Whatever -- "marriage" is civil in the United States |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 02:04 PM |
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It has also been a sacrament of the Catholic Church for millenia. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:07 PM |
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Your point is? |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 02:09 PM |
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My point is that the state doesn't recognize any marriage that |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:21 PM |
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Marriage for everyone |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 02:22 PM |
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In other words, your mom and her husband have the same relationship |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:38 PM |
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Well, considering the separate but equal thing isn't working in NJ, it needs to be called marriage |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 02:42 PM |
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I'm not glossing over anything. Of course marriage is CIVIL in this country, |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:57 PM |
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I know it's also religious, but legally, it's civil |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 03:00 PM |
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You almost understand my point. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:17 PM |
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No, I 100% understand your "point" |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 03:20 PM |
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OK. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:22 PM |
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"down graded" LOL! How exactly does simply changing the WORD "down grade" something? |
KittyWampus |
May-26-09 03:40 PM |
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Your concern is noted. |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 03:46 PM |
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That comment to Kitty was unfair. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:59 PM |
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No, it's not |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 04:00 PM |
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Who is "they?" You made a comment to ONE PERSON. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:20 PM |
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Thank you for the grammatical correction |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 04:53 PM |
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You calling me a liar? nt |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:28 PM |
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Neither has Kitty shown to be an enemy |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:45 PM |
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They haven't shown support on DU, that's what I'm basing it off of |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 09:13 PM |
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And, it still doesn't give you justification to question Kitty's |
rateyes |
May-26-09 09:32 PM |
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Then, let him/her come in and say what they do |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 09:37 PM |
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Why does Kitty have to justify him/herself to you? |
rateyes |
May-27-09 07:25 AM |
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I've contacted my legislators about gay marriage in NJ |
tabbycat31 |
May-26-09 03:44 PM |
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It's ridiculous |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 03:45 PM |
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and Corzine favors it and would sign a bill supporting it |
tabbycat31 |
May-26-09 10:34 PM |
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LostinVA and I are in a redder part, too |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 11:14 PM |
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If a Catholic priest performs the sacrament |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 02:09 PM |
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It doesn't matter. You can be married by a hundred priests, preachers, |
konnichi wa |
May-26-09 02:19 PM |
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And, the license isn't any good until it's signed by that priest, or |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:40 PM |
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Untrue |
Bluenorthwest |
May-26-09 03:57 PM |
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Read it again. I didn't say what you said I said. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:04 PM |
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Do you even know who is authorized to perform marriages |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 07:09 PM |
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Yes. In Georgia only clergy or a justice of the peace. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 09:35 PM |
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The state does have the right to determine who is and who is not |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:25 PM |
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So if the UCC ordains ministers |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 02:27 PM |
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Yes, regardless of whom the UCC or any other church ordains, |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:46 PM |
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Right, but if a gay couple |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:00 PM |
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Gay couples can not be disallowed the right to fully participate in |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:08 PM |
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Actually, all that was denied is the word marriage |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:22 PM |
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I understand you, and am under no illusions that we're not |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:29 PM |
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Whatever semantics gets to equality |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:36 PM |
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That's where I am with it. nt |
rateyes |
May-26-09 06:05 PM |
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That's just a crock. |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 04:01 PM |
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By "license" I mean someone authorized to perform marriages.. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:30 PM |
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Ah, but you see, you keep reiterating the meme |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 07:00 PM |
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No, I don't. Believe me. I know who is and isn't allowed to |
rateyes |
May-26-09 09:31 PM |
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Marriage is a legal term |
LostinVA |
May-26-09 02:19 PM |
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It is also a religious term. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:46 PM |
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Do you have a macro set up for that? |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 03:01 PM |
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I don't understand your question. nt |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:18 PM |
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I guess that answers that |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 03:21 PM |
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Peace. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:22 PM |
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It's a legal term co-opted by religious institutions |
LostinVA |
May-26-09 03:23 PM |
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Really? |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:36 PM |
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Yes, and each defines it differently. |
Gormy Cuss |
May-26-09 05:07 PM |
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My parents' marriage was anything but...n/t |
sipping radicchio |
May-26-09 05:58 PM |
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*yawn* |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 10:11 PM |
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Marriage is a civil function, and has always been in the US. |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 02:06 PM |
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Did you read what I wrote? The whole argument of the SC of CA |
rateyes |
May-26-09 02:17 PM |
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Except civil unions can never be equal -- it's not legally the same as marriage |
LostinVA |
May-26-09 02:19 PM |
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How is a "civil union" not legally the same as "marriage?" |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:19 PM |
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"Marriage" bestows about 1,400 separate legal rights. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 03:24 PM |
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In California, they will have to be 100% equal |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:26 PM |
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But only for the 18,000 already-married gay couples. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 03:29 PM |
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No, for everybody |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:33 PM |
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And, how would making every couple's relationship a |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:38 PM |
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Do you actually think millions of straights will downgrade? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 03:39 PM |
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"Downgrade?" Downgrade to what? |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:46 PM |
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Beacsue it isn't the same legally -- the legal standing and term is "marriage" |
LostinVA |
May-26-09 03:24 PM |
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Marriage is civil in this country |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 02:23 PM |
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Yours might be civil... |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:05 PM |
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That is honored in the breach more often than in the |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 02:25 PM |
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And, my solution would require them to release that grip. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:40 PM |
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Marriage is only a civil function for many. It's also, for many others, |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:00 PM |
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No, marriage is a civil functiona nd a legal term |
LostinVA |
May-26-09 03:25 PM |
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For the last time, I KNOW that marriage is a civil function and a legal term. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:48 PM |
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What don't you understand here? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 03:31 PM |
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I understand that you don't understand that marriage |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:56 PM |
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Religious. Sacraments. Don't. Deal. With. Legal. Rights. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 04:01 PM |
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I know. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:07 PM |
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Clearly, you do not. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 04:15 PM |
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Clearly, I do, since I am authorized to perform marriage ceremonies. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 06:31 PM |
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Are you still on about this? |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 07:07 PM |
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I know the truth of everything you said. What you don't seem to |
rateyes |
May-27-09 08:01 AM |
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Aren't gay people religious? |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 02:07 PM |
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Yes, they do. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:09 PM |
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under the law marriage is NOT religious. |
xchrom |
May-26-09 02:09 PM |
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Beacuse they like to make them feel better about their stance against marriage equality |
LostinVA |
May-26-09 02:20 PM |
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oh i know -- it's irritating though. |
xchrom |
May-26-09 02:23 PM |
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You seem to have a very difficult time with reading comprehension. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:11 PM |
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Actually, I don't -- I understand you perfectly |
LostinVA |
May-27-09 12:29 PM |
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That is not the system we have in place, it will never be the system we have in place |
Chovexani |
May-26-09 02:15 PM |
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Don't be sure. There's a proposition gathering signatures now to do just that. |
Xithras |
May-26-09 02:24 PM |
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Keep on tilting at windmills Don Quixote |
Chovexani |
May-26-09 02:28 PM |
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There are 36 million people in Ca. Only 694,000 need to sign it to get it on the ballot. |
Xithras |
May-26-09 02:43 PM |
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WHERE DO I SIGN THAT? Sorry fer the loud voice |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-26-09 09:43 PM |
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Too bad I don't live there. I would sign it. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:13 PM |
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Well, thank you for patronizing me. nt |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:12 PM |
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When you go down and file for a marriage license you do it at town/city clerks office |
Lone_Star_Dem |
May-26-09 02:21 PM |
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I know all of that, and agree with you. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:16 PM |
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Marriage is the term used in society to confer rights and duties to a couple |
bluedawg12 |
May-26-09 03:23 PM |
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It's Civil Unions for everyone. And it solves the issue of the word 'marriage having BOTH |
KittyWampus |
May-26-09 03:33 PM |
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I think that's what the court just did |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:35 PM |
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That is exactly the issue, there will be a movement to start two seperate licensing documents |
KittyWampus |
May-26-09 03:43 PM |
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Not if people understand the decision |
sandnsea |
May-26-09 03:47 PM |
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Thank you, Kitty. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:21 PM |
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I propose we take back the word marriage from the religious. |
ScreamingMeemie |
May-26-09 03:44 PM |
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I agree. |
rateyes |
May-26-09 03:57 PM |
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You just contradicted yourself: |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 04:04 PM |
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Well, if you want to get technical about it, |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:25 PM |
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I think everybody, gay or straight, should have the right to be MARRIED. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 04:28 PM |
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And, how do you propose taking it from the religious folk? |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:34 PM |
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How can I "take" what wasn't theirs alone to begin with? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 09:52 PM |
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Because it is the benefits given to married couples that |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 04:05 PM |
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The ruling today stated that people with "civil unions" have the |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:29 PM |
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So a word doesn't make a difference to you? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 04:46 PM |
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In that sign, the word |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:33 PM |
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You think "drinking" is the word I'm pointing out? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-26-09 09:43 PM |
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I know what you were pointing out. But, your analogy doesn't fit. |
rateyes |
May-27-09 08:05 AM |
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DING! DING! DING! |
Behind the Aegis |
May-26-09 09:21 PM |
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Civil unions don't work |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-26-09 04:55 PM |
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Because the MANY don't have the right to |
MineralMan |
May-26-09 06:56 PM |
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"Marriage" is the word used in state constitutions to define the union. Religions don't own it. |
Gormy Cuss |
May-26-09 04:12 PM |
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The word "marriage" is not in any state Constitution that I know of... |
rateyes |
May-26-09 04:32 PM |
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Laws under the constitutions ( my mistake in using that shorthand description.) |
Gormy Cuss |
May-26-09 04:55 PM |
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I totally agree with you. Civil unions for everyone and marriage |
Vinca |
May-26-09 04:34 PM |
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Congrats on such a long lasting |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:37 PM |
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My marriage to my husband was a civil union |
a la izquierda |
May-26-09 04:39 PM |
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Since we're making disclaimers: I have a gay brother, |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:42 PM |
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Sorry, I wasn't venting at you... |
a la izquierda |
May-26-09 07:08 PM |
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I'll do you one better... |
sipping radicchio |
May-26-09 04:58 PM |
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I'll go along with that. nt |
rateyes |
May-26-09 05:38 PM |
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So, When do we get to vote on everybody else's Civil Rights? |
fascisthunter |
May-26-09 05:49 PM |
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Every civil right in the Constitution was voted on. Having said that, |
rateyes |
May-26-09 06:04 PM |
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Constitution & amendments were not voted on by popular vote. nt |
Garbo 2004 |
May-26-09 09:52 PM |
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Yes, I know. They were voted on by the legilatures of the states. |
rateyes |
May-27-09 07:27 AM |
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Not quite the same. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-27-09 10:15 AM |
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Gay marriage was outlawed in GA by Constitutional amendment |
rateyes |
May-27-09 11:09 AM |
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Since you're such a fan of splitting hairs, I said "generally." |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-27-09 11:12 AM |
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Because, I would prefer that the issue be settled at the federal level. |
rateyes |
May-27-09 11:19 AM |
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You are making a distinction usually lost on Americans |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-26-09 09:35 PM |
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Thank you. At least a couple of people on this thread get it. nt |
rateyes |
May-27-09 10:11 AM |
#138 |
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