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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 03:57 PM
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70. Untrue
No religious clergy is needed to validate a marriage license. Sorry. What you are saying is false, and you keep saying it over and over again. No clergy is needed to make a marriage license valid. None at all, anywhere in the United States. Period.
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  -I abhor what the SC of CA did today. That said, I remain opposed to rateyes  May-26-09 02:03 PM   #0 
  - Whatever -- "marriage" is civil in the United States  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 02:04 PM   #1 
  - It has also been a sacrament of the Catholic Church for millenia.  rateyes   May-26-09 02:07 PM   #3 
  - Your point is?  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 02:09 PM   #5 
  - My point is that the state doesn't recognize any marriage that  rateyes   May-26-09 02:21 PM   #14 
     - Marriage for everyone  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 02:22 PM   #16 
        - In other words, your mom and her husband have the same relationship  rateyes   May-26-09 02:38 PM   #24 
           - Well, considering the separate but equal thing isn't working in NJ, it needs to be called marriage  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 02:42 PM   #26 
              - I'm not glossing over anything. Of course marriage is CIVIL in this country,  rateyes   May-26-09 02:57 PM   #30 
              - I know it's also religious, but legally, it's civil  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 03:00 PM   #33 
                 - You almost understand my point.  rateyes   May-26-09 03:17 PM   #36 
                 - No, I 100% understand your "point"  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 03:20 PM   #39 
                    - OK.  rateyes   May-26-09 03:22 PM   #41 
                 - "down graded" LOL! How exactly does simply changing the WORD "down grade" something?  KittyWampus   May-26-09 03:40 PM   # 
                    - Your concern is noted.  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 03:46 PM   #66 
                       - That comment to Kitty was unfair.  rateyes   May-26-09 03:59 PM   #72 
                          - No, it's not  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 04:00 PM   #73 
                             - Who is "they?" You made a comment to ONE PERSON.  rateyes   May-26-09 04:20 PM   #88 
                                - Thank you for the grammatical correction  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 04:53 PM   #97 
                                   - You calling me a liar? nt  rateyes   May-26-09 05:28 PM   #102 
                                   - Neither has Kitty shown to be an enemy  rateyes   May-26-09 05:45 PM   #109 
                                      - They haven't shown support on DU, that's what I'm basing it off of  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 09:13 PM   #120 
                                         - And, it still doesn't give you justification to question Kitty's  rateyes   May-26-09 09:32 PM   #123 
                                            - Then, let him/her come in and say what they do  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 09:37 PM   #126 
                                            - Why does Kitty have to justify him/herself to you?  rateyes   May-27-09 07:25 AM   #134 
              - I've contacted my legislators about gay marriage in NJ  tabbycat31   May-26-09 03:44 PM   #62 
                 - It's ridiculous  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 03:45 PM   #64 
                    - and Corzine favors it and would sign a bill supporting it  tabbycat31   May-26-09 10:34 PM   #132 
                       - LostinVA and I are in a redder part, too  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 11:14 PM   #133 
  - If a Catholic priest performs the sacrament  sandnsea   May-26-09 02:09 PM   #6 
  - It doesn't matter. You can be married by a hundred priests, preachers,  konnichi wa   May-26-09 02:19 PM   #11 
  - And, the license isn't any good until it's signed by that priest, or  rateyes   May-26-09 02:40 PM   #25 
     - Untrue  Bluenorthwest   May-26-09 03:57 PM   #70 
        - Read it again. I didn't say what you said I said.  rateyes   May-26-09 04:04 PM   #76 
           - Do you even know who is authorized to perform marriages  MineralMan   May-26-09 07:09 PM   #119 
              - Yes. In Georgia only clergy or a justice of the peace.  rateyes   May-26-09 09:35 PM   #124 
  - The state does have the right to determine who is and who is not  rateyes   May-26-09 02:25 PM   #21 
     - So if the UCC ordains ministers  sandnsea   May-26-09 02:27 PM   #22 
     - Yes, regardless of whom the UCC or any other church ordains,  rateyes   May-26-09 02:46 PM   #28 
        - Right, but if a gay couple  sandnsea   May-26-09 03:00 PM   #32 
           - Gay couples can not be disallowed the right to fully participate in  rateyes   May-26-09 03:08 PM   #35 
              - Actually, all that was denied is the word marriage  sandnsea   May-26-09 03:22 PM   #42 
                 - I understand you, and am under no illusions that we're not  rateyes   May-26-09 03:29 PM   #50 
                    - Whatever semantics gets to equality  sandnsea   May-26-09 03:36 PM   #57 
                       - That's where I am with it. nt  rateyes   May-26-09 06:05 PM   #113 
     - That's just a crock.  MineralMan   May-26-09 04:01 PM   #74 
        - By "license" I mean someone authorized to perform marriages..  rateyes   May-26-09 05:30 PM   #103 
           - Ah, but you see, you keep reiterating the meme  MineralMan   May-26-09 07:00 PM   #116 
              - No, I don't. Believe me. I know who is and isn't allowed to  rateyes   May-26-09 09:31 PM   #122 
  - Marriage is a legal term  LostinVA   May-26-09 02:19 PM   #10 
     - It is also a religious term.  rateyes   May-26-09 02:46 PM   #29 
        - Do you have a macro set up for that?  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 03:01 PM   #34 
        - I don't understand your question. nt  rateyes   May-26-09 03:18 PM   #37 
           - I guess that answers that  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 03:21 PM   #40 
              - Peace.  rateyes   May-26-09 03:22 PM   #43 
        - It's a legal term co-opted by religious institutions  LostinVA   May-26-09 03:23 PM   #44 
        - Really?  rateyes   May-26-09 03:36 PM   #56 
        - Yes, and each defines it differently.  Gormy Cuss   May-26-09 05:07 PM   #101 
  - My parents' marriage was anything but...n/t  sipping radicchio   May-26-09 05:58 PM   #111 
     - *yawn*  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 10:11 PM   #131 
  - Marriage is a civil function, and has always been in the US.  MineralMan   May-26-09 02:06 PM   #2 
  - Did you read what I wrote? The whole argument of the SC of CA  rateyes   May-26-09 02:17 PM   #9 
  - Except civil unions can never be equal -- it's not legally the same as marriage  LostinVA   May-26-09 02:19 PM   #12 
  - How is a "civil union" not legally the same as "marriage?"  rateyes   May-26-09 03:19 PM   #38 
     - "Marriage" bestows about 1,400 separate legal rights.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-26-09 03:24 PM   #46 
     - In California, they will have to be 100% equal  sandnsea   May-26-09 03:26 PM   #49 
     - But only for the 18,000 already-married gay couples.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-26-09 03:29 PM   #51 
        - No, for everybody  sandnsea   May-26-09 03:33 PM   #54 
     - And, how would making every couple's relationship a  rateyes   May-26-09 03:38 PM   #58 
        - Do you actually think millions of straights will downgrade?  Starbucks Anarchist   May-26-09 03:39 PM   #59 
           - "Downgrade?" Downgrade to what?  rateyes   May-26-09 03:46 PM   #65 
     - Beacsue it isn't the same legally -- the legal standing and term is "marriage"  LostinVA   May-26-09 03:24 PM   #47 
  - Marriage is civil in this country  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 02:23 PM   #18 
  - Yours might be civil...  rateyes   May-26-09 04:05 PM   #79 
  - That is honored in the breach more often than in the  MineralMan   May-26-09 02:25 PM   #20 
     - And, my solution would require them to release that grip.  rateyes   May-26-09 03:40 PM   #60 
  - Marriage is only a civil function for many. It's also, for many others,  rateyes   May-26-09 03:00 PM   #31 
     - No, marriage is a civil functiona nd a legal term  LostinVA   May-26-09 03:25 PM   #48 
     - For the last time, I KNOW that marriage is a civil function and a legal term.  rateyes   May-26-09 03:48 PM   #68 
     - What don't you understand here?  Starbucks Anarchist   May-26-09 03:31 PM   #52 
     - I understand that you don't understand that marriage  rateyes   May-26-09 03:56 PM   #69 
        - Religious. Sacraments. Don't. Deal. With. Legal. Rights.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-26-09 04:01 PM   #75 
           - I know.  rateyes   May-26-09 04:07 PM   #80 
              - Clearly, you do not.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-26-09 04:15 PM   #86 
                 - Clearly, I do, since I am authorized to perform marriage ceremonies.  rateyes   May-26-09 06:31 PM   #114 
     - Are you still on about this?  MineralMan   May-26-09 07:07 PM   #117 
        - I know the truth of everything you said. What you don't seem to  rateyes   May-27-09 08:01 AM   #136 
  - Aren't gay people religious?  sandnsea   May-26-09 02:07 PM   #4 
  - Yes, they do.  rateyes   May-26-09 04:09 PM   #81 
  - under the law marriage is NOT religious.  xchrom   May-26-09 02:09 PM   #7 
  - Beacuse they like to make them feel better about their stance against marriage equality  LostinVA   May-26-09 02:20 PM   #13 
     - oh i know -- it's irritating though.  xchrom   May-26-09 02:23 PM   #17 
     - You seem to have a very difficult time with reading comprehension.  rateyes   May-26-09 04:11 PM   #82 
        - Actually, I don't -- I understand you perfectly  LostinVA   May-27-09 12:29 PM   #143 
  - That is not the system we have in place, it will never be the system we have in place  Chovexani   May-26-09 02:15 PM   #8 
  - Don't be sure. There's a proposition gathering signatures now to do just that.  Xithras   May-26-09 02:24 PM   #19 
  - Keep on tilting at windmills Don Quixote  Chovexani   May-26-09 02:28 PM   #23 
  - There are 36 million people in Ca. Only 694,000 need to sign it to get it on the ballot.  Xithras   May-26-09 02:43 PM   #27 
     - WHERE DO I SIGN THAT? Sorry fer the loud voice  nadinbrzezinski   May-26-09 09:43 PM   #127 
  - Too bad I don't live there. I would sign it.  rateyes   May-26-09 04:13 PM   #85 
  - Well, thank you for patronizing me. nt  rateyes   May-26-09 04:12 PM   #84 
  - When you go down and file for a marriage license you do it at town/city clerks office  Lone_Star_Dem   May-26-09 02:21 PM   #15 
  - I know all of that, and agree with you.  rateyes   May-26-09 04:16 PM   #87 
  - Marriage is the term used in society to confer rights and duties to a couple  bluedawg12   May-26-09 03:23 PM   #45 
  - It's Civil Unions for everyone. And it solves the issue of the word 'marriage having BOTH  KittyWampus   May-26-09 03:33 PM   #53 
  - I think that's what the court just did  sandnsea   May-26-09 03:35 PM   #55 
  - That is exactly the issue, there will be a movement to start two seperate licensing documents  KittyWampus   May-26-09 03:43 PM   #61 
     - Not if people understand the decision  sandnsea   May-26-09 03:47 PM   #67 
  - Thank you, Kitty.  rateyes   May-26-09 04:21 PM   #89 
  - I propose we take back the word marriage from the religious.  ScreamingMeemie   May-26-09 03:44 PM   #63 
  - I agree.  rateyes   May-26-09 03:57 PM   #71 
     - You just contradicted yourself:  Starbucks Anarchist   May-26-09 04:04 PM   #77 
     - Well, if you want to get technical about it,  rateyes   May-26-09 04:25 PM   #90 
        - I think everybody, gay or straight, should have the right to be MARRIED.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-26-09 04:28 PM   #91 
           - And, how do you propose taking it from the religious folk?  rateyes   May-26-09 05:34 PM   #105 
              - How can I "take" what wasn't theirs alone to begin with?  Starbucks Anarchist   May-26-09 09:52 PM   #129 
     - Because it is the benefits given to married couples that  MineralMan   May-26-09 04:05 PM   #78 
        - The ruling today stated that people with "civil unions" have the  rateyes   May-26-09 04:29 PM   #92 
           - So a word doesn't make a difference to you?  Starbucks Anarchist   May-26-09 04:46 PM   #96 
           - In that sign, the word  rateyes   May-26-09 05:33 PM   #104 
           - You think "drinking" is the word I'm pointing out?  Starbucks Anarchist   May-26-09 09:43 PM   #128 
              - I know what you were pointing out. But, your analogy doesn't fit.  rateyes   May-27-09 08:05 AM   #137 
           - DING! DING! DING!  Behind the Aegis   May-26-09 09:21 PM   #121 
           - Civil unions don't work  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-26-09 04:55 PM   #99 
           - Because the MANY don't have the right to  MineralMan   May-26-09 06:56 PM   #115 
  - "Marriage" is the word used in state constitutions to define the union. Religions don't own it.  Gormy Cuss   May-26-09 04:12 PM   #83 
  - The word "marriage" is not in any state Constitution that I know of...  rateyes   May-26-09 04:32 PM   #93 
     - Laws under the constitutions ( my mistake in using that shorthand description.)  Gormy Cuss   May-26-09 04:55 PM   #98 
  - I totally agree with you. Civil unions for everyone and marriage  Vinca   May-26-09 04:34 PM   #94 
  - Congrats on such a long lasting  rateyes   May-26-09 05:37 PM   #106 
  - My marriage to my husband was a civil union  a la izquierda   May-26-09 04:39 PM   #95 
  - Since we're making disclaimers: I have a gay brother,  rateyes   May-26-09 05:42 PM   #108 
     - Sorry, I wasn't venting at you...  a la izquierda   May-26-09 07:08 PM   #118 
  - I'll do you one better...  sipping radicchio   May-26-09 04:58 PM   #100 
  - I'll go along with that. nt  rateyes   May-26-09 05:38 PM   #107 
  - So, When do we get to vote on everybody else's Civil Rights?  fascisthunter   May-26-09 05:49 PM   #110 
  - Every civil right in the Constitution was voted on. Having said that,  rateyes   May-26-09 06:04 PM   #112 
     - Constitution & amendments were not voted on by popular vote. nt  Garbo 2004   May-26-09 09:52 PM   #130 
        - Yes, I know. They were voted on by the legilatures of the states.  rateyes   May-27-09 07:27 AM   #135 
           - Not quite the same.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-27-09 10:15 AM   #139 
              - Gay marriage was outlawed in GA by Constitutional amendment  rateyes   May-27-09 11:09 AM   #140 
                 - Since you're such a fan of splitting hairs, I said "generally."  Starbucks Anarchist   May-27-09 11:12 AM   #141 
                    - Because, I would prefer that the issue be settled at the federal level.  rateyes   May-27-09 11:19 AM   #142 
  - You are making a distinction usually lost on Americans  nadinbrzezinski   May-26-09 09:35 PM   #125 
     - Thank you. At least a couple of people on this thread get it. nt  rateyes   May-27-09 10:11 AM   #138 

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