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Evan Ravitz Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 07:03 PM
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19. Best reforms for ballot initiatives
Solutions to ballot initiative problems have been generally agreed on and available for many decades. But legislators NEVER improve the process, only try to make it harder -last year with AZ Prop. 105 and CO Ref. O, both wisely defeated by voters.

Voters on ballot initiatives need what legislators get: public hearings, expert testimony, amendments, reports, etc. The best project for such deliberative process is the National Initiative for Democracy, led by former Sen. Mike Gravel: http://Vote.org . Also http://healthydemocracyoregon.org / and http://cirwa.org

In Switzerland (and Michigan and Florida), petitions can be published or left at stores for people to read and sign at leisure, so there are less aggressive petitioners, more informed signers, and less $ required. The Swiss vote on initiatives 3-7 times a year so there's never too many on one ballot. Because they have real power (including national initiatives), the Swiss read more newspapers/capita than anyone else.

In Switzerland, representatives are humbler and more representative after centuries of local and cantonal (state) ballot initiatives, and national initiatives since 1891. They call their system "co-determination." This works for all relationships!
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  -CA Ballot Initiatives: Any talk of removing or reforming this process? supernova  May-26-09 01:03 PM   #0 
  - GOOD GOD, Give the poor people a chance to REPEAL PROP H8 FIRST!  WeDidIt   May-26-09 01:04 PM   #1 
  - I want them to repeal it  supernova   May-26-09 01:06 PM   #2 
  - Did you read the whole OP before you started cussing at the poster?  EFerrari   May-26-09 01:07 PM   #3 
     - Yes. n/t  WeDidIt   May-26-09 01:10 PM   #6 
  - Oh, You Better BELIEVE They'll Be Talk About Reforming the Process.  Toasterlad   May-26-09 01:08 PM   #4 
  - I'm absolutely certain the H8ers are already making plans  WeDidIt   May-26-09 01:10 PM   #5 
  - Yeah, it was great for Prop 215...horrible for Prop H8.  krabigirl   May-26-09 01:13 PM   #7 
  - The ballot initiative idea is worth doing, but our process is badly broken.  Xithras   May-26-09 01:14 PM   #8 
  - Thank you for the thoughtful response  supernova   May-26-09 01:24 PM   #15 
  - They should remove the initiative process and invalidate  Johonny   May-26-09 01:15 PM   #9 
  - Every prop?  Xithras   May-26-09 01:21 PM   #13 
     - yes every prop  Johonny   May-26-09 02:09 PM   #16 
  - Hell, California might just be better off to call a new constitutional convention and start anew  LSdemocrat   May-26-09 01:15 PM   #10 
  - How about making use of it?  Mythsaje   May-26-09 01:19 PM   #11 
  - They 'reformed' the process here in Florida  Freddie Stubbs   May-26-09 01:20 PM   #12 
  - The problem one runs into with direct democracy or democracy  mmonk   May-26-09 01:22 PM   #14 
  - The initiative process is a disaster  cally   May-26-09 03:07 PM   #17 
  - It's a fucking mess and needs to be changed  Oeditpus Rex   May-26-09 03:12 PM   #18 
  - Best reforms for ballot initiatives  Evan Ravitz   May-26-09 07:03 PM   #19 
 

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