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Tue May-26-09 07:32 AM
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| 19. This Isn't Our Mess...It's A Shared One... |
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First thing I'd do is call up Kim or whomever is in charge in Pyongyang. I'd tell them to look right off their coast...raise a Trident Sub with multiple warheads to the surface and dare them to try it again. Then I'd swagger off like John Wayne.
North Korea is more of a menace, drain and embarassment to China than it is to us. They sit on the border with a situation not unlike ours with Mexico...North Koreans fleeing and becoming a drain on the local economy. Also any nuke accident in North Korea will blow across their border before anyone elses. If anyone should put the screws to Pyongyang, and can, it's Beijing.
In short, the U.S. has little influence over what goes on inside North Korea other than to incite. A reaction is what the North Koreans want...ignore them and quitely put the squeeze through diplomatic contacts. It's the countries in that region...China, Russia, Japan, South Korea...that have the real concern here.
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| -How should President Obama handle N. Korea's test firings? |
cali |
May-26-09 06:49 AM |
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It is dicey. |
tekisui |
May-26-09 06:52 AM |
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Would Kin Jong Il's death create that implosion? |
cali |
May-26-09 07:03 AM |
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There is no guarantee that his death will not bring |
tekisui |
May-26-09 07:08 AM |
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That's true |
Canuckistanian |
May-26-09 07:26 PM |
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Starve them out at this point. Incentives haven't worked. |
Zynx |
May-26-09 06:54 AM |
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I find that unacceptable. I don't wish to see more suffering inflicted on |
cali |
May-26-09 07:04 AM |
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At this point what choice do we have? How many times do we have to be slapped |
Zynx |
May-26-09 07:37 AM |
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A political slap in the face is not the same as millions of human beings dying. |
Forkboy |
May-26-09 09:02 AM |
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They'll give in very quickly when they realize the world won't play ball. |
Zynx |
May-26-09 05:05 PM |
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North Korea has been under economic sanctions for years. It doesn't hurt the regime. |
Selatius |
May-26-09 05:15 PM |
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The difference is that North Korea absolutely cannot support itself. |
Zynx |
May-26-09 05:17 PM |
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You present a set of solutions that seems to be too simplified. |
Selatius |
May-26-09 05:21 PM |
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I do. |
Zynx |
May-26-09 05:23 PM |
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So you are saying you would cut off, in entirety, all food and medicine aid to North Korea? |
Selatius |
May-26-09 05:28 PM |
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Punishing the innocent of N Korea |
vincent_vega_lives |
May-26-09 07:07 AM |
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The government can't function without international aid either. |
Zynx |
May-26-09 07:38 AM |
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I wish |
vincent_vega_lives |
May-26-09 08:21 PM |
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South Korea and China don't want the refugees |
Hippo_Tron |
May-26-09 05:07 PM |
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There would be refugees anyway if North Korea would let their population move as they wished. |
Zynx |
May-26-09 05:10 PM |
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South Korea and China don't want that either, particularly South Korea |
Hippo_Tron |
May-26-09 05:16 PM |
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So we should keep North Korea as an isolated basket-case for all eternity? |
Zynx |
May-26-09 05:19 PM |
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Hopefully they will do what Deng Xiaoping did with China in the 70's and 80's |
Hippo_Tron |
May-26-09 05:23 PM |
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I'm not going to hold my breath on that one. |
Zynx |
May-26-09 05:23 PM |
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Considering nobody knows a thing about North Korean leadership, I honestly don't know |
Hippo_Tron |
May-26-09 05:27 PM |
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Will they make more nukes out of food? -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-26-09 05:57 PM |
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It's driven by internal dynamics re: succession. I say, just let those dynamics play out. |
TimesSquareCowboy |
May-26-09 07:06 AM |
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Do we have any say into what they choose to do |
madokie |
May-26-09 07:08 AM |
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You grossly misrepresent the wrong doings by he US |
armyowalgreens |
May-26-09 07:13 AM |
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So you're the one with the know are you? |
madokie |
May-26-09 07:19 AM |
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I find people who take pleasure in unfairly bashing the US annoying... |
armyowalgreens |
May-26-09 07:22 AM |
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What annoys me is someone |
madokie |
May-26-09 07:28 AM |
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Everyone can have an opinion. That doesn't make every opinion right. |
armyowalgreens |
May-26-09 05:22 PM |
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When the nation's survival depends on international support and aid, |
tekisui |
May-26-09 07:13 AM |
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well, maybe. we've had some influence in the past. |
cali |
May-26-09 07:19 AM |
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You speak of this as though this is the will of the people of North Korea. |
Zynx |
May-26-09 05:06 PM |
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Immediate invasion by the US... |
armyowalgreens |
May-26-09 07:09 AM |
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China would stand by and do nothing, right? |
soryang |
May-26-09 07:51 AM |
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We could destroy China and N. Korea in standard combat. |
armyowalgreens |
May-26-09 05:21 PM |
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I'm glad that the world's most powerful nations aren't run by people like you. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-26-09 06:00 PM |
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HAHA Thanks for the compliment. |
armyowalgreens |
May-26-09 06:56 PM |
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When do you sign up? |
Forkboy |
May-26-09 07:03 PM |
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+1... |
SidDithers |
May-27-09 09:42 AM |
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Then why did we lose the last Korean conflict? |
soryang |
May-26-09 08:50 PM |
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I always thought of the Korean War more as a tie. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-27-09 09:36 AM |
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Orangutans are much more effective in battle than gorillas. |
J-Lo Biafra |
May-28-09 05:05 AM |
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No way |
JonLP24 |
May-26-09 05:45 PM |
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The fact is that we ARE the worlds policemen. |
armyowalgreens |
May-26-09 05:49 PM |
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My point is we haven't won those wars |
JonLP24 |
May-26-09 06:04 PM |
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Pacifism is not a viable option. |
armyowalgreens |
May-26-09 06:10 PM |
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Sure if North Korea attacks us let's fight back |
JonLP24 |
May-26-09 06:17 PM |
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No you are tired of fighting wars based on lies. Big difference. |
armyowalgreens |
May-26-09 06:25 PM |
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Pre-emptive strike, not lies is what I was referring to |
JonLP24 |
May-26-09 06:41 PM |
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Do you understand that we have treaties with S. Korea and Japan |
cali |
May-28-09 05:23 AM |
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LOL, China and Russia would never allow that to happen. |
New Dawn |
May-26-09 06:48 PM |
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Yeah like Russia really has any power to do what they want... |
armyowalgreens |
May-26-09 06:55 PM |
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ROFL. Both have very large nuclear arsenals. |
New Dawn |
May-26-09 07:02 PM |
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I would keep Japan out of it thats for sure |
NNN0LHI |
May-26-09 07:15 AM |
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The trouble with that, and I understand where you're coming from, is that... |
Forkboy |
May-26-09 09:17 AM |
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Time might be our best ally here. That and rice. Kim's holding his own people hostage in a way. |
pinto |
May-26-09 07:16 AM |
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He understands completely hence there hasn't been an attack |
Hippo_Tron |
May-26-09 05:17 PM |
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Support those in range |
Profprileasn |
May-26-09 07:29 AM |
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This Isn't Our Mess...It's A Shared One... |
KharmaTrain |
May-26-09 07:32 AM |
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He should keep doing exactly what we've been doing for the past two decades |
Hippo_Tron |
May-26-09 05:12 PM |
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What it has done is make us look awfully foolish. |
Zynx |
May-26-09 05:18 PM |
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How is keeping the peace foolish? |
Hippo_Tron |
May-26-09 05:20 PM |
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Let the CIA do some good ........ |
Stinky The Clown |
May-26-09 05:21 PM |
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Extremely difficult situation. |
Mike 03 |
May-26-09 05:35 PM |
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Meetings haven't helped before..... |
Comedie |
May-26-09 05:46 PM |
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How about finally sign a lasting peace treaty... |
New Dawn |
May-26-09 06:51 PM |
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N. Korea is not a rational player |
cali |
May-28-09 05:25 AM |
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With leadership: Propose to unilaterally start destroying lots of nukes. |
L. Coyote |
May-26-09 07:00 PM |
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ridiuculous to think that would change the picture re N. Korea. |
cali |
May-28-09 05:26 AM |
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They asked that question on a local radio |
doc03 |
May-26-09 07:19 PM |
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Why not ignore it? |
JVS |
May-27-09 09:38 AM |
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he can't ignore it- not realistically. |
cali |
May-28-09 05:21 AM |
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Sure he can. Before N Korea gets to us it will have pissed of Russia, China, S Korea, or Japan |
JVS |
May-28-09 10:40 AM |
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Talk to China - get them to do something |
Taverner |
May-27-09 09:39 AM |
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Peaceful Engagement |
zorahopkins |
May-27-09 10:05 AM |
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