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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:13 PM
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134. Stress hyperglycemia is VERY common in cats.
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 08:20 PM by kestrel91316
It's why I don't do very many blood glucose curves in my diabetic patients. They turn out screwy every single time.

That sort of stress reaction requires no treatment whatsoever, except perhaps tranquilization of kitty prior to the next visit, lol.

More importantly is, what did urinalysis show. High blood sugar plur sugar in the urine equals diabetes in most cases. Hope your vet is keeping on top of this. Untreated diabetes is fatal.
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  -Kestrel's official position on "raw food diets" for pets: kestrel91316  Apr-03-07 09:36 PM   #0 
  - Those are the same ass-wipes who think global warming is a myth.  RevCheesehead   Apr-03-07 09:40 PM   #1 
  - We get to disallow disagreement and constructive criticism from our threads in main forums?  LeftyMom   Apr-03-07 09:41 PM   #2 
  - Yes  MonkeyFunk   Apr-03-07 09:45 PM   #5 
  - I'm posting in GD because I was unable to find that GD post that I was  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 09:48 PM   #7 
  - I'm not saying it doesn't belong in GD. I'm just saying you can't say "no disagreement"  LeftyMom   Apr-03-07 09:56 PM   #15 
     - Did you miss this part?  uppityperson   Apr-03-07 10:00 PM   #19 
     - Of course, you can say "no disagreement."  philosophie_en_rose   Apr-06-07 09:28 AM   #172 
  - You know I think that is a right.  hang a left   Apr-03-07 09:53 PM   #12 
     - I'm not looking to fight with her, I don't feed raw and don't want to.  LeftyMom   Apr-03-07 09:58 PM   #18 
  - Two cats who did die of septicemic salmonella were DNA matched to the same...  rosebud57   Apr-03-07 09:41 PM   #3 
  - Thank you Kestrel  MonkeyFunk   Apr-03-07 09:43 PM   #4 
  - but why not get a Mac?  antifaschits   Apr-03-07 09:48 PM   #6 
  - I love my Dell at the office. So that's what I am going to get for home soon.  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 09:50 PM   #9 
     - dell is the company bush gave a plug to during a speech  orleans   Apr-04-07 02:59 AM   #45 
        - Well, they make a computer that meets my needs. I'm happy with it.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:45 PM   #83 
           - i wish i could. (don't know your needs, don't know computers much either)  orleans   Apr-04-07 04:56 PM   #86 
              - There is no reason to believe that the toxin in the recalled food  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 05:59 PM   #98 
  - perhaps something further needs to be said about pet "biological" diets....  mike_c   Apr-03-07 09:49 PM   #8 
  - I always like your perspective, mike c. You think of things that never  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 10:11 PM   #30 
  - Even further, most dogs were not predators  HamdenRice   Apr-04-07 07:45 PM   #129 
  - There is plenty of opposing evidence  Ayesha   Apr-03-07 09:52 PM   #10 
  - Well if you "don't have the time"  hang a left   Apr-03-07 09:55 PM   #13 
  - Post the peer-rerviewed literature to support your position or take it elsewhere.  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 09:57 PM   #16 
  - peer reviewed?  antifaschits   Apr-03-07 10:03 PM   #21 
     - I've heard about that stuff. NASTY. The dog vets see it, but I never have.  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 10:06 PM   #25 
        - my vet AND the corporation were both G R E A T  antifaschits   Apr-03-07 10:09 PM   #29 
  - I think it's ironic that after pointing out why raw meat is not the same...  mike_c   Apr-03-07 10:06 PM   #24 
  - Very interesting.  philosophie_en_rose   Apr-06-07 09:32 AM   #173 
  - pets have magic antibacterial mouths? LOL! that's f'ing pricelss!  bettyellen   Apr-03-07 10:07 PM   #27 
  - The many bite wounds in my hands over the years are proof that there's  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 10:21 PM   #33 
     - LOL, we all want to be in denial because they lick our faces, but they go right from their asses  bettyellen   Apr-03-07 10:29 PM   #34 
        - Interestingly enough, the bacteria that cause problems with bite wounds are  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 10:36 PM   #36 
           - "butt-end bacteria"?!?  arnheim   Apr-04-07 02:41 PM   #73 
           - My cat recently got a bad abscess from a fight  yardwork   Apr-04-07 02:52 PM   #75 
              - "....My cat recently got a bad abscess from a fight...."  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:02 PM   #99 
  - Yeah ... that's why I ended up on an antibiotic I.V. drip in the emergency room  djmaddox1   Apr-03-07 10:49 PM   #41 
  - Problem with this argument is that pets are not wild animals. They have been artificially selected  yellowcanine   Apr-04-07 05:19 PM   #92 
  - Seeing how lax the government has been with inspecting meat  libnnc   Apr-03-07 09:53 PM   #11 
  - Idon't recommend kitten food beyond 6-9 months of age.  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 09:58 PM   #17 
  - She is getting pretty um.....thick.  libnnc   Apr-03-07 10:06 PM   #26 
     - They won't like it at first  mockmonkey   Apr-05-07 07:11 AM   #165 
        - That's why we do gradual transitions of food where possible.  kestrel91316   Apr-05-07 12:52 PM   #169 
  - Most canned veggies are high in sodium and  tblue37   Apr-03-07 10:42 PM   #40 
  - you are brave for speaking out  sniffa   Apr-03-07 09:56 PM   #14 
  - I don't exactly need courage when I have facts on my side.  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 10:03 PM   #22 
  - Thank you  Truthiness Inspector   Apr-03-07 10:01 PM   #20 
  - Thank you, kestrel, for all your time  pnwmom   Apr-03-07 10:03 PM   #23 
  - Hey kestrel, my husband and I used to be avid  Ilsa   Apr-03-07 10:09 PM   #28 
  - I know there are seed mixes for birds with peanuts in them, and I THINK  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 10:15 PM   #32 
  - Don't sweat it right now on my account. When we are ready to do it  Ilsa   Apr-04-07 09:37 AM   #51 
  - Peanut Butter is great with a caveat:  semillama   Apr-04-07 02:13 PM   #67 
  - Thanks for all your good advice.  ocelot   Apr-03-07 10:14 PM   #31 
  - My cat eats raw now and has never been healthier. I will always  amitten   Apr-03-07 10:32 PM   #35 
  - Like this stuff?  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:26 PM   #113 
     - No, but thanks for the head's up. The raw food I use is produced  amitten   Apr-04-07 10:36 PM   #157 
        - Imported meats aren't the culprit in foodborne illness associated  kestrel91316   Apr-05-07 12:17 PM   #167 
           - Well, it was recommended by my vet, who also comes from a  amitten   Apr-05-07 12:19 PM   #168 
  - I have been reading these treads about pet killing corporations  NormanYorkstein   Apr-03-07 10:38 PM   #37 
  - Welcome to DU  AZBlue   Apr-04-07 02:11 PM   #66 
  - you go kestrel  mopinko   Apr-03-07 10:38 PM   #38 
  - Many vets on VIN have commented that the raw food fanaticism  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:52 PM   #59 
     - i have had many such conversations about  mopinko   Apr-04-07 01:12 PM   #63 
  - btw  hang a left   Apr-03-07 10:39 PM   #39 
  - I am having internet troubles at the office so can't keep up with things, but  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 11:39 PM   #42 
  - thank you kestrel  Skittles   Apr-04-07 01:46 AM   #43 
  - I am so grateful that you made this concise post  troubleinwinter   Apr-04-07 02:22 AM   #44 
  - common sense?  DreamOutLoud   Apr-04-07 03:16 AM   #47 
  - informed choice  DreamOutLoud   Apr-04-07 03:08 AM   #46 
  - Actually  Ayesha   Apr-04-07 03:47 AM   #48 
  - Fish was not meat last I checked. And it has its own risks:  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:30 PM   #56 
  - How many "hours" of nutrition? Well, I don't recall exactly, but it  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:27 PM   #55 
  - There is NO debate on vaccines in the scientific community..  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 03:06 PM   #76 
  - not anti-science  DreamOutLoud   Apr-05-07 03:01 AM   #164 
  - My thought is that pets, being domesticated animals, neither resemble wild animals nor  yellowcanine   Apr-04-07 05:33 PM   #95 
  - Here ya go, kestrel...  piesRsquare   Apr-04-07 04:15 AM   #49 
  - Thank you  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:32 PM   #57 
  - I'm going to stick with my breeder, who's also a vet...if that's okay with you...?  MrsGrumpy   Apr-04-07 05:20 AM   #50 
  - Thank you  StefanX   Apr-04-07 11:26 AM   #52 
  - "....I eat a lot of raw veggies, which I peel/wash myself....."  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:54 PM   #60 
  - A good summary of three major foodborne pathogens of  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:08 PM   #53 
  - My elderly father lived with my sister who fed her dog  truedelphi   Apr-04-07 12:16 PM   #54 
  - Articles from JAVMA about zoonotic risks from foodborne diseases  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:39 PM   #58 
  - My Vet is against raw diets also  Lone_Star_Dem   Apr-04-07 12:56 PM   #61 
  - So is my USDA working husband  havocmom   Apr-04-07 01:01 PM   #62 
     - I don't understand why people don't simply consult their vets first  Lone_Star_Dem   Apr-04-07 01:47 PM   #64 
        - No, you can't do THAT. All vets are just stupid, uneducated,  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:54 PM   #84 
           - lets make it easier on everyone,  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 05:32 PM   #94 
           - Hey, works for me!  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:06 PM   #101 
           - Er, that would be "continuing EDUCATION conferences", lol.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 07:02 PM   #123 
  - Thank you for the info n/t  KT2000   Apr-04-07 01:53 PM   #65 
  - Thank you so much - for this post and the innumerable others that you've shared!  AZBlue   Apr-04-07 02:13 PM   #68 
  - I second that! n/t  timeforarevolution   Apr-04-07 02:45 PM   #74 
  - great post  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 02:24 PM   #69 
  - Couldn't you microwave it for half a minute or so and kill the bacteria?  porphyrian   Apr-04-07 02:27 PM   #70 
  - microwaving doesn't kill that much..  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 02:32 PM   #71 
  - Oh geez no. Half a minute? It is not the time that matters - it is the temperature  yellowcanine   Apr-04-07 05:44 PM   #97 
     - THANK YOU.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:07 PM   #102 
  - Thanks  Gelliebeans   Apr-04-07 02:32 PM   #72 
  - Subthread on pathogenicity of Salmonella in dogs and cats  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:10 PM   #77 
  - Windows ME and dial-up?  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 04:13 PM   #78 
  - Hey, I would have got a new one by now but I'm moving one of these  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:57 PM   #87 
  - Subthread on pathogenicity of Campylobacter in dogs and cats:  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:20 PM   #79 
  - Subthread on E. coli infection in dogs and cats:  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:29 PM   #80 
  - Subthread on pathogenicity of Toxoplasma in cats:  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:32 PM   #81 
  - Now here are the facts from someone who has learned much about raw-food diets  LynneSin   Apr-04-07 04:34 PM   #82 
  - Actually, I think that's more like "here's an anecdote" rather than "here are the facts"  lukasahero   Apr-04-07 04:56 PM   #85 
  - You have a point there but if you research this on the web  LynneSin   Apr-04-07 05:02 PM   #88 
  - Sadly, this isn't true either:  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 05:02 PM   #89 
  - Would Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE)...  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 05:07 PM   #90 
     - I doubt it  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 05:16 PM   #91 
     - Pets 4 Life FAQ: Grapefruit seed extract kills all dangerous bacteria.  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 05:27 PM   #93 
        - hmmm company website vs.  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 05:41 PM   #96 
        - University of Georgia Evaluates GSE: Our studies indicate excellent potential for ... (GSE)  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 06:08 PM   #104 
        - Please post research data showing how GSE has been proven  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:17 PM   #107 
        - New age pseudoscience. That's being CHARITABLE.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:14 PM   #106 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-04-07 06:12 PM   #105 
           - I was not trying to prove a point , or debate with you n/t  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 06:19 PM   #109 
              - you do understand that the claims being made...  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 06:23 PM   #110 
              - I think it works... not for everything...  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 06:32 PM   #114 
                 - Do you mean Ascorbic acid?  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 06:43 PM   #117 
                    - No, it is -- exactly -- what the prescribed medicine says on the bottle  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 06:53 PM   #119 
                       - For what if I may ask?  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 06:57 PM   #121 
                       - Reducing blood sugar levels  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 07:01 PM   #122 
                          - okay if thats what your vet says  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 07:06 PM   #124 
                             - No, he did not say it was to reduce blood sugar  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 07:15 PM   #125 
                       - If it were me, I sure wouldn't be taking carbolic acid or phosphoric acid  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 07:31 PM   #127 
                       - Thanks  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 07:51 PM   #130 
                       - Stress hyperglycemia is VERY common in cats.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 08:13 PM   #134 
                          - Thanks  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 08:22 PM   #138 
                       - Carbolic Acid ... that's phenol, right?  Pigwidgeon   Apr-04-07 11:12 PM   #160 
                       - Umm  lizerdbits   Apr-04-07 09:02 PM   #146 
                          - ooh  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 09:04 PM   #148 
                          - You mean my vet -- prescribed -- Pine-Sol and Lysol for my cat?  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 09:38 PM   #154 
                             - Probably something to ask about  lizerdbits   Apr-04-07 10:05 PM   #156 
                                - Something tells me I better stay WAY away from this phenol  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 10:57 PM   #158 
                                - I am not going to panic  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 11:36 PM   #163 
              - " I have no idea, what a peer review is ........."  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:34 PM   #115 
                 - Thanks  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 06:40 PM   #116 
                 - Peer Review: Journal of Burns and Wounds in December, 2004, GSE  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 07:21 PM   #126 
                    - NO NO and NO!  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 07:35 PM   #128 
                    - Have you read the peer review cited? I cannot find it n/t  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 07:59 PM   #132 
                    - I can't either  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 08:02 PM   #133 
                       - All I could find is this:  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 08:17 PM   #136 
                       - This pretty much sums it up:  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 08:43 PM   #144 
                       - You are also citing two references from a journal I would consider  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 08:52 PM   #145 
                       - The effectiveness of processed grapefruit-seed extract as an antibacterial agent: I. An in vitro aga  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 09:09 PM   #150 
                          - Bactericidal activity in vitro is common as dirt. Can it be put into  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 10:59 PM   #159 
                          - the active ingredient in "GSE" turned out to be the preservative itself  foo_bar   Apr-06-07 09:21 AM   #171 
                    - Anthrax is level 3  lizerdbits   Apr-04-07 08:36 PM   #141 
                    - are you sure?  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 08:41 PM   #143 
                       - I know of one level 3 place that used it  lizerdbits   Apr-04-07 09:08 PM   #149 
                    - It claims it's effective TOPICALLY  lizerdbits   Apr-04-07 09:21 PM   #152 
                    - "......GSE is an effective topical treatment for anthrax........"  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 08:15 PM   #135 
     - Nope.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:08 PM   #103 
  - This information actually demonstrates the fallacy of anecdotal data.  yellowcanine   Apr-04-07 06:02 PM   #100 
     - Ah, but there's the rub. Most of the people claiming that "their"  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:19 PM   #108 
        - Well I am not recommending feeding trials of raw meats either.  yellowcanine   Apr-04-07 06:54 PM   #120 
  - Thank You  Everybody   Apr-04-07 06:24 PM   #111 
  - Kestrel, once again, thank you  WindRavenX   Apr-04-07 06:24 PM   #112 
  - Please remember there's a range of opinion here.  pinto   Apr-04-07 06:49 PM   #118 
  - so what came first the human derived dog food or the dog  madokie   Apr-04-07 07:53 PM   #131 
  - Whatever they ate then is not what is available as raw food now.  mondo joe   Apr-04-07 08:21 PM   #137 
  - What don't you buy? My assertion that raw meats contain pathogens  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 08:24 PM   #139 
     - so we must feed our pets a known food that is not good for them?  madokie   Apr-04-07 09:03 PM   #147 
        - Animals have been eating raw meat forever. And getting parasites and bacteria  mondo joe   Apr-04-07 09:24 PM   #153 
        - here are some NEW reasons why not only should they  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 09:48 PM   #155 
  - This is really "Kestrel's official position on "raw meat" for pets:" then  flvegan   Apr-04-07 08:30 PM   #140 
  - This is actually more correct. I am not keen on homemade diets for  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 08:39 PM   #142 
     - We've been feeding  flvegan   Apr-04-07 09:12 PM   #151 
        - The jury is in on vegetarian diets for cats. BIG NO-NO.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 11:15 PM   #161 
           - No, it isn't  flvegan   Apr-04-07 11:34 PM   #162 
              - "....I don't think that science has all the answers....."  kestrel91316   Apr-05-07 11:30 AM   #166 
  - Thank you for being the voice of reason. nt  atommom   Apr-06-07 07:50 AM   #170 
  - Disagreement is not necessarily a flame or an attack.  InvisibleTouch   Apr-06-07 10:35 AM   #174 

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