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Wed Apr-04-07 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #114 |
| 117. Do you mean Ascorbic acid? |
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Acetic acid is a chemical. Ascorbic acid is vitamin C.
As for your doctors with Penecillin, thats clearly negligence if they were prescribing something that you were clearly allergic to. GSE, if you are using it to stay healthy MAY, and again I am skeptical, may serve as an immune booster, like vitamin C. I would not call it an antibacterial, antiviral, antimycotic...anyone who claims that is selling snake oil.
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| -Kestrel's official position on "raw food diets" for pets: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 09:36 PM |
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Those are the same ass-wipes who think global warming is a myth. |
RevCheesehead |
Apr-03-07 09:40 PM |
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We get to disallow disagreement and constructive criticism from our threads in main forums? |
LeftyMom |
Apr-03-07 09:41 PM |
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Yes |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-03-07 09:45 PM |
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I'm posting in GD because I was unable to find that GD post that I was |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 09:48 PM |
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I'm not saying it doesn't belong in GD. I'm just saying you can't say "no disagreement" |
LeftyMom |
Apr-03-07 09:56 PM |
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Did you miss this part? |
uppityperson |
Apr-03-07 10:00 PM |
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Of course, you can say "no disagreement." |
philosophie_en_rose |
Apr-06-07 09:28 AM |
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You know I think that is a right. |
hang a left |
Apr-03-07 09:53 PM |
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I'm not looking to fight with her, I don't feed raw and don't want to. |
LeftyMom |
Apr-03-07 09:58 PM |
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Two cats who did die of septicemic salmonella were DNA matched to the same... |
rosebud57 |
Apr-03-07 09:41 PM |
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Thank you Kestrel |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-03-07 09:43 PM |
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but why not get a Mac? |
antifaschits |
Apr-03-07 09:48 PM |
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I love my Dell at the office. So that's what I am going to get for home soon. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 09:50 PM |
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dell is the company bush gave a plug to during a speech |
orleans |
Apr-04-07 02:59 AM |
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Well, they make a computer that meets my needs. I'm happy with it. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:45 PM |
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i wish i could. (don't know your needs, don't know computers much either) |
orleans |
Apr-04-07 04:56 PM |
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There is no reason to believe that the toxin in the recalled food |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 05:59 PM |
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perhaps something further needs to be said about pet "biological" diets.... |
mike_c |
Apr-03-07 09:49 PM |
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I always like your perspective, mike c. You think of things that never |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 10:11 PM |
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Even further, most dogs were not predators |
HamdenRice |
Apr-04-07 07:45 PM |
#129 |
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There is plenty of opposing evidence |
Ayesha |
Apr-03-07 09:52 PM |
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Well if you "don't have the time" |
hang a left |
Apr-03-07 09:55 PM |
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Post the peer-rerviewed literature to support your position or take it elsewhere. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 09:57 PM |
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peer reviewed? |
antifaschits |
Apr-03-07 10:03 PM |
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I've heard about that stuff. NASTY. The dog vets see it, but I never have. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 10:06 PM |
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my vet AND the corporation were both G R E A T |
antifaschits |
Apr-03-07 10:09 PM |
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I think it's ironic that after pointing out why raw meat is not the same... |
mike_c |
Apr-03-07 10:06 PM |
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Very interesting. |
philosophie_en_rose |
Apr-06-07 09:32 AM |
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pets have magic antibacterial mouths? LOL! that's f'ing pricelss! |
bettyellen |
Apr-03-07 10:07 PM |
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The many bite wounds in my hands over the years are proof that there's |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 10:21 PM |
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LOL, we all want to be in denial because they lick our faces, but they go right from their asses |
bettyellen |
Apr-03-07 10:29 PM |
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Interestingly enough, the bacteria that cause problems with bite wounds are |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 10:36 PM |
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"butt-end bacteria"?!? |
arnheim |
Apr-04-07 02:41 PM |
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My cat recently got a bad abscess from a fight |
yardwork |
Apr-04-07 02:52 PM |
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"....My cat recently got a bad abscess from a fight...." |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:02 PM |
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Yeah ... that's why I ended up on an antibiotic I.V. drip in the emergency room |
djmaddox1 |
Apr-03-07 10:49 PM |
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Problem with this argument is that pets are not wild animals. They have been artificially selected |
yellowcanine |
Apr-04-07 05:19 PM |
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Seeing how lax the government has been with inspecting meat |
libnnc |
Apr-03-07 09:53 PM |
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Idon't recommend kitten food beyond 6-9 months of age. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 09:58 PM |
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She is getting pretty um.....thick. |
libnnc |
Apr-03-07 10:06 PM |
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They won't like it at first |
mockmonkey |
Apr-05-07 07:11 AM |
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That's why we do gradual transitions of food where possible. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-05-07 12:52 PM |
#169 |
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Most canned veggies are high in sodium and |
tblue37 |
Apr-03-07 10:42 PM |
#40 |
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you are brave for speaking out |
sniffa |
Apr-03-07 09:56 PM |
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I don't exactly need courage when I have facts on my side. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 10:03 PM |
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Thank you |
Truthiness Inspector |
Apr-03-07 10:01 PM |
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Thank you, kestrel, for all your time |
pnwmom |
Apr-03-07 10:03 PM |
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Hey kestrel, my husband and I used to be avid |
Ilsa |
Apr-03-07 10:09 PM |
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I know there are seed mixes for birds with peanuts in them, and I THINK |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 10:15 PM |
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Don't sweat it right now on my account. When we are ready to do it |
Ilsa |
Apr-04-07 09:37 AM |
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Peanut Butter is great with a caveat: |
semillama |
Apr-04-07 02:13 PM |
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Thanks for all your good advice. |
ocelot |
Apr-03-07 10:14 PM |
#31 |
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My cat eats raw now and has never been healthier. I will always |
amitten |
Apr-03-07 10:32 PM |
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Like this stuff? |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:26 PM |
#113 |
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No, but thanks for the head's up. The raw food I use is produced |
amitten |
Apr-04-07 10:36 PM |
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Imported meats aren't the culprit in foodborne illness associated |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-05-07 12:17 PM |
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Well, it was recommended by my vet, who also comes from a |
amitten |
Apr-05-07 12:19 PM |
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I have been reading these treads about pet killing corporations |
NormanYorkstein |
Apr-03-07 10:38 PM |
#37 |
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Welcome to DU |
AZBlue |
Apr-04-07 02:11 PM |
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you go kestrel |
mopinko |
Apr-03-07 10:38 PM |
#38 |
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Many vets on VIN have commented that the raw food fanaticism |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:52 PM |
#59 |
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i have had many such conversations about |
mopinko |
Apr-04-07 01:12 PM |
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btw |
hang a left |
Apr-03-07 10:39 PM |
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I am having internet troubles at the office so can't keep up with things, but |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 11:39 PM |
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thank you kestrel |
Skittles |
Apr-04-07 01:46 AM |
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I am so grateful that you made this concise post |
troubleinwinter |
Apr-04-07 02:22 AM |
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common sense? |
DreamOutLoud |
Apr-04-07 03:16 AM |
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informed choice |
DreamOutLoud |
Apr-04-07 03:08 AM |
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Actually |
Ayesha |
Apr-04-07 03:47 AM |
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Fish was not meat last I checked. And it has its own risks: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:30 PM |
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How many "hours" of nutrition? Well, I don't recall exactly, but it |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:27 PM |
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There is NO debate on vaccines in the scientific community.. |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 03:06 PM |
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not anti-science |
DreamOutLoud |
Apr-05-07 03:01 AM |
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My thought is that pets, being domesticated animals, neither resemble wild animals nor |
yellowcanine |
Apr-04-07 05:33 PM |
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Here ya go, kestrel... |
piesRsquare |
Apr-04-07 04:15 AM |
#49 |
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Thank you |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:32 PM |
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I'm going to stick with my breeder, who's also a vet...if that's okay with you...? |
MrsGrumpy |
Apr-04-07 05:20 AM |
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Thank you |
StefanX |
Apr-04-07 11:26 AM |
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"....I eat a lot of raw veggies, which I peel/wash myself....." |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:54 PM |
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A good summary of three major foodborne pathogens of |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:08 PM |
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My elderly father lived with my sister who fed her dog |
truedelphi |
Apr-04-07 12:16 PM |
#54 |
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Articles from JAVMA about zoonotic risks from foodborne diseases |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:39 PM |
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My Vet is against raw diets also |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Apr-04-07 12:56 PM |
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So is my USDA working husband |
havocmom |
Apr-04-07 01:01 PM |
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I don't understand why people don't simply consult their vets first |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Apr-04-07 01:47 PM |
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No, you can't do THAT. All vets are just stupid, uneducated, |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:54 PM |
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lets make it easier on everyone, |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 05:32 PM |
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Hey, works for me! |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:06 PM |
#101 |
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Er, that would be "continuing EDUCATION conferences", lol. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 07:02 PM |
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Thank you for the info n/t |
KT2000 |
Apr-04-07 01:53 PM |
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Thank you so much - for this post and the innumerable others that you've shared! |
AZBlue |
Apr-04-07 02:13 PM |
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I second that! n/t |
timeforarevolution |
Apr-04-07 02:45 PM |
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great post |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 02:24 PM |
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Couldn't you microwave it for half a minute or so and kill the bacteria? |
porphyrian |
Apr-04-07 02:27 PM |
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microwaving doesn't kill that much.. |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 02:32 PM |
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Oh geez no. Half a minute? It is not the time that matters - it is the temperature |
yellowcanine |
Apr-04-07 05:44 PM |
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THANK YOU. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:07 PM |
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Thanks |
Gelliebeans |
Apr-04-07 02:32 PM |
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Subthread on pathogenicity of Salmonella in dogs and cats |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:10 PM |
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Windows ME and dial-up? |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 04:13 PM |
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Hey, I would have got a new one by now but I'm moving one of these |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:57 PM |
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Subthread on pathogenicity of Campylobacter in dogs and cats: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:20 PM |
#79 |
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Subthread on E. coli infection in dogs and cats: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:29 PM |
#80 |
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Subthread on pathogenicity of Toxoplasma in cats: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:32 PM |
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Now here are the facts from someone who has learned much about raw-food diets |
LynneSin |
Apr-04-07 04:34 PM |
#82 |
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Actually, I think that's more like "here's an anecdote" rather than "here are the facts" |
lukasahero |
Apr-04-07 04:56 PM |
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You have a point there but if you research this on the web |
LynneSin |
Apr-04-07 05:02 PM |
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Sadly, this isn't true either: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 05:02 PM |
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Would Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE)... |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 05:07 PM |
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I doubt it |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 05:16 PM |
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Pets 4 Life FAQ: Grapefruit seed extract kills all dangerous bacteria. |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 05:27 PM |
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hmmm company website vs. |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 05:41 PM |
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University of Georgia Evaluates GSE: Our studies indicate excellent potential for ... (GSE) |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 06:08 PM |
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Please post research data showing how GSE has been proven |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:17 PM |
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New age pseudoscience. That's being CHARITABLE. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:14 PM |
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Name removed |
Apr-04-07 06:12 PM |
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I was not trying to prove a point , or debate with you n/t |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 06:19 PM |
#109 |
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you do understand that the claims being made... |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 06:23 PM |
#110 |
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I think it works... not for everything... |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 06:32 PM |
#114 |
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Do you mean Ascorbic acid? |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 06:43 PM |
#117 |
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No, it is -- exactly -- what the prescribed medicine says on the bottle |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 06:53 PM |
#119 |
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For what if I may ask? |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 06:57 PM |
#121 |
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Reducing blood sugar levels |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 07:01 PM |
#122 |
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okay if thats what your vet says |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 07:06 PM |
#124 |
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No, he did not say it was to reduce blood sugar |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 07:15 PM |
#125 |
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If it were me, I sure wouldn't be taking carbolic acid or phosphoric acid |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 07:31 PM |
#127 |
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Thanks |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 07:51 PM |
#130 |
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Stress hyperglycemia is VERY common in cats. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 08:13 PM |
#134 |
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Thanks |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 08:22 PM |
#138 |
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Carbolic Acid ... that's phenol, right? |
Pigwidgeon |
Apr-04-07 11:12 PM |
#160 |
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Umm |
lizerdbits |
Apr-04-07 09:02 PM |
#146 |
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ooh |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 09:04 PM |
#148 |
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You mean my vet -- prescribed -- Pine-Sol and Lysol for my cat? |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 09:38 PM |
#154 |
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Probably something to ask about |
lizerdbits |
Apr-04-07 10:05 PM |
#156 |
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Something tells me I better stay WAY away from this phenol |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 10:57 PM |
#158 |
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I am not going to panic |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 11:36 PM |
#163 |
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"........so I have no idea, what a peer review is ........." |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:34 PM |
#115 |
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Thanks |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 06:40 PM |
#116 |
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Peer Review: Journal of Burns and Wounds in December, 2004, GSE |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 07:21 PM |
#126 |
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NO NO and NO! |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 07:35 PM |
#128 |
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Have you read the peer review cited? I cannot find it n/t |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 07:59 PM |
#132 |
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I can't either |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 08:02 PM |
#133 |
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All I could find is this: |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 08:17 PM |
#136 |
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This pretty much sums it up: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 08:43 PM |
#144 |
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You are also citing two references from a journal I would consider |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 08:52 PM |
#145 |
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The effectiveness of processed grapefruit-seed extract as an antibacterial agent: I. An in vitro aga |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 09:09 PM |
#150 |
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Bactericidal activity in vitro is common as dirt. Can it be put into |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 10:59 PM |
#159 |
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the active ingredient in "GSE" turned out to be the preservative itself |
foo_bar |
Apr-06-07 09:21 AM |
#171 |
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Anthrax is level 3 |
lizerdbits |
Apr-04-07 08:36 PM |
#141 |
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are you sure? |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 08:41 PM |
#143 |
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I know of one level 3 place that used it |
lizerdbits |
Apr-04-07 09:08 PM |
#149 |
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It claims it's effective TOPICALLY |
lizerdbits |
Apr-04-07 09:21 PM |
#152 |
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"......GSE is an effective topical treatment for anthrax........" |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 08:15 PM |
#135 |
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Nope. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:08 PM |
#103 |
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This information actually demonstrates the fallacy of anecdotal data. |
yellowcanine |
Apr-04-07 06:02 PM |
#100 |
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Ah, but there's the rub. Most of the people claiming that "their" |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:19 PM |
#108 |
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Well I am not recommending feeding trials of raw meats either. |
yellowcanine |
Apr-04-07 06:54 PM |
#120 |
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Thank You |
Everybody |
Apr-04-07 06:24 PM |
#111 |
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Kestrel, once again, thank you |
WindRavenX |
Apr-04-07 06:24 PM |
#112 |
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Please remember there's a range of opinion here. |
pinto |
Apr-04-07 06:49 PM |
#118 |
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so what came first the human derived dog food or the dog |
madokie |
Apr-04-07 07:53 PM |
#131 |
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Whatever they ate then is not what is available as raw food now. |
mondo joe |
Apr-04-07 08:21 PM |
#137 |
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What don't you buy? My assertion that raw meats contain pathogens |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 08:24 PM |
#139 |
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so we must feed our pets a known food that is not good for them? |
madokie |
Apr-04-07 09:03 PM |
#147 |
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Animals have been eating raw meat forever. And getting parasites and bacteria |
mondo joe |
Apr-04-07 09:24 PM |
#153 |
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here are some NEW reasons why not only should they |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 09:48 PM |
#155 |
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This is really "Kestrel's official position on "raw meat" for pets:" then |
flvegan |
Apr-04-07 08:30 PM |
#140 |
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This is actually more correct. I am not keen on homemade diets for |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 08:39 PM |
#142 |
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We've been feeding |
flvegan |
Apr-04-07 09:12 PM |
#151 |
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The jury is in on vegetarian diets for cats. BIG NO-NO. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 11:15 PM |
#161 |
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No, it isn't |
flvegan |
Apr-04-07 11:34 PM |
#162 |
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"....I don't think that science has all the answers....." |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-05-07 11:30 AM |
#166 |
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Thank you for being the voice of reason. nt |
atommom |
Apr-06-07 07:50 AM |
#170 |
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Disagreement is not necessarily a flame or an attack. |
InvisibleTouch |
Apr-06-07 10:35 AM |
#174 |
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