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39. btw
Any progress on what is poisoning animals??

I posted this ? in another one of your threads today.
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  -Kestrel's official position on "raw food diets" for pets: kestrel91316  Apr-03-07 09:36 PM   #0 
  - Those are the same ass-wipes who think global warming is a myth.  RevCheesehead   Apr-03-07 09:40 PM   #1 
  - We get to disallow disagreement and constructive criticism from our threads in main forums?  LeftyMom   Apr-03-07 09:41 PM   #2 
  - Yes  MonkeyFunk   Apr-03-07 09:45 PM   #5 
  - I'm posting in GD because I was unable to find that GD post that I was  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 09:48 PM   #7 
  - I'm not saying it doesn't belong in GD. I'm just saying you can't say "no disagreement"  LeftyMom   Apr-03-07 09:56 PM   #15 
     - Did you miss this part?  uppityperson   Apr-03-07 10:00 PM   #19 
     - Of course, you can say "no disagreement."  philosophie_en_rose   Apr-06-07 09:28 AM   #172 
  - You know I think that is a right.  hang a left   Apr-03-07 09:53 PM   #12 
     - I'm not looking to fight with her, I don't feed raw and don't want to.  LeftyMom   Apr-03-07 09:58 PM   #18 
  - Two cats who did die of septicemic salmonella were DNA matched to the same...  rosebud57   Apr-03-07 09:41 PM   #3 
  - Thank you Kestrel  MonkeyFunk   Apr-03-07 09:43 PM   #4 
  - but why not get a Mac?  antifaschits   Apr-03-07 09:48 PM   #6 
  - I love my Dell at the office. So that's what I am going to get for home soon.  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 09:50 PM   #9 
     - dell is the company bush gave a plug to during a speech  orleans   Apr-04-07 02:59 AM   #45 
        - Well, they make a computer that meets my needs. I'm happy with it.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:45 PM   #83 
           - i wish i could. (don't know your needs, don't know computers much either)  orleans   Apr-04-07 04:56 PM   #86 
              - There is no reason to believe that the toxin in the recalled food  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 05:59 PM   #98 
  - perhaps something further needs to be said about pet "biological" diets....  mike_c   Apr-03-07 09:49 PM   #8 
  - I always like your perspective, mike c. You think of things that never  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 10:11 PM   #30 
  - Even further, most dogs were not predators  HamdenRice   Apr-04-07 07:45 PM   #129 
  - There is plenty of opposing evidence  Ayesha   Apr-03-07 09:52 PM   #10 
  - Well if you "don't have the time"  hang a left   Apr-03-07 09:55 PM   #13 
  - Post the peer-rerviewed literature to support your position or take it elsewhere.  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 09:57 PM   #16 
  - peer reviewed?  antifaschits   Apr-03-07 10:03 PM   #21 
     - I've heard about that stuff. NASTY. The dog vets see it, but I never have.  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 10:06 PM   #25 
        - my vet AND the corporation were both G R E A T  antifaschits   Apr-03-07 10:09 PM   #29 
  - I think it's ironic that after pointing out why raw meat is not the same...  mike_c   Apr-03-07 10:06 PM   #24 
  - Very interesting.  philosophie_en_rose   Apr-06-07 09:32 AM   #173 
  - pets have magic antibacterial mouths? LOL! that's f'ing pricelss!  bettyellen   Apr-03-07 10:07 PM   #27 
  - The many bite wounds in my hands over the years are proof that there's  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 10:21 PM   #33 
     - LOL, we all want to be in denial because they lick our faces, but they go right from their asses  bettyellen   Apr-03-07 10:29 PM   #34 
        - Interestingly enough, the bacteria that cause problems with bite wounds are  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 10:36 PM   #36 
           - "butt-end bacteria"?!?  arnheim   Apr-04-07 02:41 PM   #73 
           - My cat recently got a bad abscess from a fight  yardwork   Apr-04-07 02:52 PM   #75 
              - "....My cat recently got a bad abscess from a fight...."  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:02 PM   #99 
  - Yeah ... that's why I ended up on an antibiotic I.V. drip in the emergency room  djmaddox1   Apr-03-07 10:49 PM   #41 
  - Problem with this argument is that pets are not wild animals. They have been artificially selected  yellowcanine   Apr-04-07 05:19 PM   #92 
  - Seeing how lax the government has been with inspecting meat  libnnc   Apr-03-07 09:53 PM   #11 
  - Idon't recommend kitten food beyond 6-9 months of age.  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 09:58 PM   #17 
  - She is getting pretty um.....thick.  libnnc   Apr-03-07 10:06 PM   #26 
     - They won't like it at first  mockmonkey   Apr-05-07 07:11 AM   #165 
        - That's why we do gradual transitions of food where possible.  kestrel91316   Apr-05-07 12:52 PM   #169 
  - Most canned veggies are high in sodium and  tblue37   Apr-03-07 10:42 PM   #40 
  - you are brave for speaking out  sniffa   Apr-03-07 09:56 PM   #14 
  - I don't exactly need courage when I have facts on my side.  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 10:03 PM   #22 
  - Thank you  Truthiness Inspector   Apr-03-07 10:01 PM   #20 
  - Thank you, kestrel, for all your time  pnwmom   Apr-03-07 10:03 PM   #23 
  - Hey kestrel, my husband and I used to be avid  Ilsa   Apr-03-07 10:09 PM   #28 
  - I know there are seed mixes for birds with peanuts in them, and I THINK  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 10:15 PM   #32 
  - Don't sweat it right now on my account. When we are ready to do it  Ilsa   Apr-04-07 09:37 AM   #51 
  - Peanut Butter is great with a caveat:  semillama   Apr-04-07 02:13 PM   #67 
  - Thanks for all your good advice.  ocelot   Apr-03-07 10:14 PM   #31 
  - My cat eats raw now and has never been healthier. I will always  amitten   Apr-03-07 10:32 PM   #35 
  - Like this stuff?  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:26 PM   #113 
     - No, but thanks for the head's up. The raw food I use is produced  amitten   Apr-04-07 10:36 PM   #157 
        - Imported meats aren't the culprit in foodborne illness associated  kestrel91316   Apr-05-07 12:17 PM   #167 
           - Well, it was recommended by my vet, who also comes from a  amitten   Apr-05-07 12:19 PM   #168 
  - I have been reading these treads about pet killing corporations  NormanYorkstein   Apr-03-07 10:38 PM   #37 
  - Welcome to DU  AZBlue   Apr-04-07 02:11 PM   #66 
  - you go kestrel  mopinko   Apr-03-07 10:38 PM   #38 
  - Many vets on VIN have commented that the raw food fanaticism  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:52 PM   #59 
     - i have had many such conversations about  mopinko   Apr-04-07 01:12 PM   #63 
  - btw  hang a left   Apr-03-07 10:39 PM   #39 
  - I am having internet troubles at the office so can't keep up with things, but  kestrel91316   Apr-03-07 11:39 PM   #42 
  - thank you kestrel  Skittles   Apr-04-07 01:46 AM   #43 
  - I am so grateful that you made this concise post  troubleinwinter   Apr-04-07 02:22 AM   #44 
  - common sense?  DreamOutLoud   Apr-04-07 03:16 AM   #47 
  - informed choice  DreamOutLoud   Apr-04-07 03:08 AM   #46 
  - Actually  Ayesha   Apr-04-07 03:47 AM   #48 
  - Fish was not meat last I checked. And it has its own risks:  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:30 PM   #56 
  - How many "hours" of nutrition? Well, I don't recall exactly, but it  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:27 PM   #55 
  - There is NO debate on vaccines in the scientific community..  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 03:06 PM   #76 
  - not anti-science  DreamOutLoud   Apr-05-07 03:01 AM   #164 
  - My thought is that pets, being domesticated animals, neither resemble wild animals nor  yellowcanine   Apr-04-07 05:33 PM   #95 
  - Here ya go, kestrel...  piesRsquare   Apr-04-07 04:15 AM   #49 
  - Thank you  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:32 PM   #57 
  - I'm going to stick with my breeder, who's also a vet...if that's okay with you...?  MrsGrumpy   Apr-04-07 05:20 AM   #50 
  - Thank you  StefanX   Apr-04-07 11:26 AM   #52 
  - "....I eat a lot of raw veggies, which I peel/wash myself....."  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:54 PM   #60 
  - A good summary of three major foodborne pathogens of  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:08 PM   #53 
  - My elderly father lived with my sister who fed her dog  truedelphi   Apr-04-07 12:16 PM   #54 
  - Articles from JAVMA about zoonotic risks from foodborne diseases  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 12:39 PM   #58 
  - My Vet is against raw diets also  Lone_Star_Dem   Apr-04-07 12:56 PM   #61 
  - So is my USDA working husband  havocmom   Apr-04-07 01:01 PM   #62 
     - I don't understand why people don't simply consult their vets first  Lone_Star_Dem   Apr-04-07 01:47 PM   #64 
        - No, you can't do THAT. All vets are just stupid, uneducated,  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:54 PM   #84 
           - lets make it easier on everyone,  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 05:32 PM   #94 
           - Hey, works for me!  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:06 PM   #101 
           - Er, that would be "continuing EDUCATION conferences", lol.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 07:02 PM   #123 
  - Thank you for the info n/t  KT2000   Apr-04-07 01:53 PM   #65 
  - Thank you so much - for this post and the innumerable others that you've shared!  AZBlue   Apr-04-07 02:13 PM   #68 
  - I second that! n/t  timeforarevolution   Apr-04-07 02:45 PM   #74 
  - great post  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 02:24 PM   #69 
  - Couldn't you microwave it for half a minute or so and kill the bacteria?  porphyrian   Apr-04-07 02:27 PM   #70 
  - microwaving doesn't kill that much..  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 02:32 PM   #71 
  - Oh geez no. Half a minute? It is not the time that matters - it is the temperature  yellowcanine   Apr-04-07 05:44 PM   #97 
     - THANK YOU.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:07 PM   #102 
  - Thanks  Gelliebeans   Apr-04-07 02:32 PM   #72 
  - Subthread on pathogenicity of Salmonella in dogs and cats  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:10 PM   #77 
  - Windows ME and dial-up?  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 04:13 PM   #78 
  - Hey, I would have got a new one by now but I'm moving one of these  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:57 PM   #87 
  - Subthread on pathogenicity of Campylobacter in dogs and cats:  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:20 PM   #79 
  - Subthread on E. coli infection in dogs and cats:  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:29 PM   #80 
  - Subthread on pathogenicity of Toxoplasma in cats:  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 04:32 PM   #81 
  - Now here are the facts from someone who has learned much about raw-food diets  LynneSin   Apr-04-07 04:34 PM   #82 
  - Actually, I think that's more like "here's an anecdote" rather than "here are the facts"  lukasahero   Apr-04-07 04:56 PM   #85 
  - You have a point there but if you research this on the web  LynneSin   Apr-04-07 05:02 PM   #88 
  - Sadly, this isn't true either:  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 05:02 PM   #89 
  - Would Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE)...  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 05:07 PM   #90 
     - I doubt it  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 05:16 PM   #91 
     - Pets 4 Life FAQ: Grapefruit seed extract kills all dangerous bacteria.  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 05:27 PM   #93 
        - hmmm company website vs.  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 05:41 PM   #96 
        - University of Georgia Evaluates GSE: Our studies indicate excellent potential for ... (GSE)  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 06:08 PM   #104 
        - Please post research data showing how GSE has been proven  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:17 PM   #107 
        - New age pseudoscience. That's being CHARITABLE.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:14 PM   #106 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-04-07 06:12 PM   #105 
           - I was not trying to prove a point , or debate with you n/t  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 06:19 PM   #109 
              - you do understand that the claims being made...  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 06:23 PM   #110 
              - I think it works... not for everything...  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 06:32 PM   #114 
                 - Do you mean Ascorbic acid?  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 06:43 PM   #117 
                    - No, it is -- exactly -- what the prescribed medicine says on the bottle  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 06:53 PM   #119 
                       - For what if I may ask?  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 06:57 PM   #121 
                       - Reducing blood sugar levels  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 07:01 PM   #122 
                          - okay if thats what your vet says  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 07:06 PM   #124 
                             - No, he did not say it was to reduce blood sugar  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 07:15 PM   #125 
                       - If it were me, I sure wouldn't be taking carbolic acid or phosphoric acid  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 07:31 PM   #127 
                       - Thanks  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 07:51 PM   #130 
                       - Stress hyperglycemia is VERY common in cats.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 08:13 PM   #134 
                          - Thanks  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 08:22 PM   #138 
                       - Carbolic Acid ... that's phenol, right?  Pigwidgeon   Apr-04-07 11:12 PM   #160 
                       - Umm  lizerdbits   Apr-04-07 09:02 PM   #146 
                          - ooh  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 09:04 PM   #148 
                          - You mean my vet -- prescribed -- Pine-Sol and Lysol for my cat?  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 09:38 PM   #154 
                             - Probably something to ask about  lizerdbits   Apr-04-07 10:05 PM   #156 
                                - Something tells me I better stay WAY away from this phenol  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 10:57 PM   #158 
                                - I am not going to panic  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 11:36 PM   #163 
              - "........so I have no idea, what a peer review is ........."  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:34 PM   #115 
                 - Thanks  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 06:40 PM   #116 
                 - Peer Review: Journal of Burns and Wounds in December, 2004, GSE  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 07:21 PM   #126 
                    - NO NO and NO!  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 07:35 PM   #128 
                    - Have you read the peer review cited? I cannot find it n/t  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 07:59 PM   #132 
                    - I can't either  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 08:02 PM   #133 
                       - All I could find is this:  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 08:17 PM   #136 
                       - This pretty much sums it up:  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 08:43 PM   #144 
                       - You are also citing two references from a journal I would consider  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 08:52 PM   #145 
                       - The effectiveness of processed grapefruit-seed extract as an antibacterial agent: I. An in vitro aga  PhilipShore   Apr-04-07 09:09 PM   #150 
                          - Bactericidal activity in vitro is common as dirt. Can it be put into  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 10:59 PM   #159 
                          - the active ingredient in "GSE" turned out to be the preservative itself  foo_bar   Apr-06-07 09:21 AM   #171 
                    - Anthrax is level 3  lizerdbits   Apr-04-07 08:36 PM   #141 
                    - are you sure?  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 08:41 PM   #143 
                       - I know of one level 3 place that used it  lizerdbits   Apr-04-07 09:08 PM   #149 
                    - It claims it's effective TOPICALLY  lizerdbits   Apr-04-07 09:21 PM   #152 
                    - "......GSE is an effective topical treatment for anthrax........"  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 08:15 PM   #135 
     - Nope.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:08 PM   #103 
  - This information actually demonstrates the fallacy of anecdotal data.  yellowcanine   Apr-04-07 06:02 PM   #100 
     - Ah, but there's the rub. Most of the people claiming that "their"  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 06:19 PM   #108 
        - Well I am not recommending feeding trials of raw meats either.  yellowcanine   Apr-04-07 06:54 PM   #120 
  - Thank You  Everybody   Apr-04-07 06:24 PM   #111 
  - Kestrel, once again, thank you  WindRavenX   Apr-04-07 06:24 PM   #112 
  - Please remember there's a range of opinion here.  pinto   Apr-04-07 06:49 PM   #118 
  - so what came first the human derived dog food or the dog  madokie   Apr-04-07 07:53 PM   #131 
  - Whatever they ate then is not what is available as raw food now.  mondo joe   Apr-04-07 08:21 PM   #137 
  - What don't you buy? My assertion that raw meats contain pathogens  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 08:24 PM   #139 
     - so we must feed our pets a known food that is not good for them?  madokie   Apr-04-07 09:03 PM   #147 
        - Animals have been eating raw meat forever. And getting parasites and bacteria  mondo joe   Apr-04-07 09:24 PM   #153 
        - here are some NEW reasons why not only should they  turtlensue   Apr-04-07 09:48 PM   #155 
  - This is really "Kestrel's official position on "raw meat" for pets:" then  flvegan   Apr-04-07 08:30 PM   #140 
  - This is actually more correct. I am not keen on homemade diets for  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 08:39 PM   #142 
     - We've been feeding  flvegan   Apr-04-07 09:12 PM   #151 
        - The jury is in on vegetarian diets for cats. BIG NO-NO.  kestrel91316   Apr-04-07 11:15 PM   #161 
           - No, it isn't  flvegan   Apr-04-07 11:34 PM   #162 
              - "....I don't think that science has all the answers....."  kestrel91316   Apr-05-07 11:30 AM   #166 
  - Thank you for being the voice of reason. nt  atommom   Apr-06-07 07:50 AM   #170 
  - Disagreement is not necessarily a flame or an attack.  InvisibleTouch   Apr-06-07 10:35 AM   #174 
 

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