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Tue Apr-03-07 10:07 PM
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| 27. pets have magic antibacterial mouths? LOL! that's f'ing pricelss! |
| -Kestrel's official position on "raw food diets" for pets: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 09:36 PM |
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Those are the same ass-wipes who think global warming is a myth. |
RevCheesehead |
Apr-03-07 09:40 PM |
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We get to disallow disagreement and constructive criticism from our threads in main forums? |
LeftyMom |
Apr-03-07 09:41 PM |
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Yes |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-03-07 09:45 PM |
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I'm posting in GD because I was unable to find that GD post that I was |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 09:48 PM |
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I'm not saying it doesn't belong in GD. I'm just saying you can't say "no disagreement" |
LeftyMom |
Apr-03-07 09:56 PM |
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Did you miss this part? |
uppityperson |
Apr-03-07 10:00 PM |
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Of course, you can say "no disagreement." |
philosophie_en_rose |
Apr-06-07 09:28 AM |
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You know I think that is a right. |
hang a left |
Apr-03-07 09:53 PM |
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I'm not looking to fight with her, I don't feed raw and don't want to. |
LeftyMom |
Apr-03-07 09:58 PM |
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Two cats who did die of septicemic salmonella were DNA matched to the same... |
rosebud57 |
Apr-03-07 09:41 PM |
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Thank you Kestrel |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-03-07 09:43 PM |
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but why not get a Mac? |
antifaschits |
Apr-03-07 09:48 PM |
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I love my Dell at the office. So that's what I am going to get for home soon. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 09:50 PM |
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dell is the company bush gave a plug to during a speech |
orleans |
Apr-04-07 02:59 AM |
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Well, they make a computer that meets my needs. I'm happy with it. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:45 PM |
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i wish i could. (don't know your needs, don't know computers much either) |
orleans |
Apr-04-07 04:56 PM |
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There is no reason to believe that the toxin in the recalled food |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 05:59 PM |
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perhaps something further needs to be said about pet "biological" diets.... |
mike_c |
Apr-03-07 09:49 PM |
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I always like your perspective, mike c. You think of things that never |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 10:11 PM |
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Even further, most dogs were not predators |
HamdenRice |
Apr-04-07 07:45 PM |
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There is plenty of opposing evidence |
Ayesha |
Apr-03-07 09:52 PM |
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Well if you "don't have the time" |
hang a left |
Apr-03-07 09:55 PM |
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Post the peer-rerviewed literature to support your position or take it elsewhere. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 09:57 PM |
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peer reviewed? |
antifaschits |
Apr-03-07 10:03 PM |
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I've heard about that stuff. NASTY. The dog vets see it, but I never have. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 10:06 PM |
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my vet AND the corporation were both G R E A T |
antifaschits |
Apr-03-07 10:09 PM |
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I think it's ironic that after pointing out why raw meat is not the same... |
mike_c |
Apr-03-07 10:06 PM |
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Very interesting. |
philosophie_en_rose |
Apr-06-07 09:32 AM |
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pets have magic antibacterial mouths? LOL! that's f'ing pricelss! |
bettyellen |
Apr-03-07 10:07 PM |
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The many bite wounds in my hands over the years are proof that there's |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 10:21 PM |
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LOL, we all want to be in denial because they lick our faces, but they go right from their asses |
bettyellen |
Apr-03-07 10:29 PM |
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Interestingly enough, the bacteria that cause problems with bite wounds are |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 10:36 PM |
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"butt-end bacteria"?!? |
arnheim |
Apr-04-07 02:41 PM |
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My cat recently got a bad abscess from a fight |
yardwork |
Apr-04-07 02:52 PM |
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"....My cat recently got a bad abscess from a fight...." |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:02 PM |
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Yeah ... that's why I ended up on an antibiotic I.V. drip in the emergency room |
djmaddox1 |
Apr-03-07 10:49 PM |
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Problem with this argument is that pets are not wild animals. They have been artificially selected |
yellowcanine |
Apr-04-07 05:19 PM |
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Seeing how lax the government has been with inspecting meat |
libnnc |
Apr-03-07 09:53 PM |
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Idon't recommend kitten food beyond 6-9 months of age. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 09:58 PM |
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She is getting pretty um.....thick. |
libnnc |
Apr-03-07 10:06 PM |
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They won't like it at first |
mockmonkey |
Apr-05-07 07:11 AM |
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That's why we do gradual transitions of food where possible. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-05-07 12:52 PM |
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Most canned veggies are high in sodium and |
tblue37 |
Apr-03-07 10:42 PM |
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you are brave for speaking out |
sniffa |
Apr-03-07 09:56 PM |
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I don't exactly need courage when I have facts on my side. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 10:03 PM |
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Thank you |
Truthiness Inspector |
Apr-03-07 10:01 PM |
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Thank you, kestrel, for all your time |
pnwmom |
Apr-03-07 10:03 PM |
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Hey kestrel, my husband and I used to be avid |
Ilsa |
Apr-03-07 10:09 PM |
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I know there are seed mixes for birds with peanuts in them, and I THINK |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 10:15 PM |
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Don't sweat it right now on my account. When we are ready to do it |
Ilsa |
Apr-04-07 09:37 AM |
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Peanut Butter is great with a caveat: |
semillama |
Apr-04-07 02:13 PM |
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Thanks for all your good advice. |
ocelot |
Apr-03-07 10:14 PM |
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My cat eats raw now and has never been healthier. I will always |
amitten |
Apr-03-07 10:32 PM |
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Like this stuff? |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:26 PM |
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No, but thanks for the head's up. The raw food I use is produced |
amitten |
Apr-04-07 10:36 PM |
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Imported meats aren't the culprit in foodborne illness associated |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-05-07 12:17 PM |
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Well, it was recommended by my vet, who also comes from a |
amitten |
Apr-05-07 12:19 PM |
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I have been reading these treads about pet killing corporations |
NormanYorkstein |
Apr-03-07 10:38 PM |
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Welcome to DU |
AZBlue |
Apr-04-07 02:11 PM |
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you go kestrel |
mopinko |
Apr-03-07 10:38 PM |
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Many vets on VIN have commented that the raw food fanaticism |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:52 PM |
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i have had many such conversations about |
mopinko |
Apr-04-07 01:12 PM |
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btw |
hang a left |
Apr-03-07 10:39 PM |
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I am having internet troubles at the office so can't keep up with things, but |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-03-07 11:39 PM |
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thank you kestrel |
Skittles |
Apr-04-07 01:46 AM |
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I am so grateful that you made this concise post |
troubleinwinter |
Apr-04-07 02:22 AM |
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common sense? |
DreamOutLoud |
Apr-04-07 03:16 AM |
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informed choice |
DreamOutLoud |
Apr-04-07 03:08 AM |
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Actually |
Ayesha |
Apr-04-07 03:47 AM |
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Fish was not meat last I checked. And it has its own risks: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:30 PM |
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How many "hours" of nutrition? Well, I don't recall exactly, but it |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:27 PM |
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There is NO debate on vaccines in the scientific community.. |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 03:06 PM |
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not anti-science |
DreamOutLoud |
Apr-05-07 03:01 AM |
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My thought is that pets, being domesticated animals, neither resemble wild animals nor |
yellowcanine |
Apr-04-07 05:33 PM |
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Here ya go, kestrel... |
piesRsquare |
Apr-04-07 04:15 AM |
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Thank you |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:32 PM |
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I'm going to stick with my breeder, who's also a vet...if that's okay with you...? |
MrsGrumpy |
Apr-04-07 05:20 AM |
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Thank you |
StefanX |
Apr-04-07 11:26 AM |
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"....I eat a lot of raw veggies, which I peel/wash myself....." |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:54 PM |
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A good summary of three major foodborne pathogens of |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:08 PM |
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My elderly father lived with my sister who fed her dog |
truedelphi |
Apr-04-07 12:16 PM |
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Articles from JAVMA about zoonotic risks from foodborne diseases |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 12:39 PM |
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My Vet is against raw diets also |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Apr-04-07 12:56 PM |
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So is my USDA working husband |
havocmom |
Apr-04-07 01:01 PM |
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I don't understand why people don't simply consult their vets first |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Apr-04-07 01:47 PM |
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No, you can't do THAT. All vets are just stupid, uneducated, |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:54 PM |
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lets make it easier on everyone, |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 05:32 PM |
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Hey, works for me! |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:06 PM |
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Er, that would be "continuing EDUCATION conferences", lol. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 07:02 PM |
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Thank you for the info n/t |
KT2000 |
Apr-04-07 01:53 PM |
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Thank you so much - for this post and the innumerable others that you've shared! |
AZBlue |
Apr-04-07 02:13 PM |
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I second that! n/t |
timeforarevolution |
Apr-04-07 02:45 PM |
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great post |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 02:24 PM |
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Couldn't you microwave it for half a minute or so and kill the bacteria? |
porphyrian |
Apr-04-07 02:27 PM |
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microwaving doesn't kill that much.. |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 02:32 PM |
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Oh geez no. Half a minute? It is not the time that matters - it is the temperature |
yellowcanine |
Apr-04-07 05:44 PM |
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THANK YOU. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:07 PM |
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Thanks |
Gelliebeans |
Apr-04-07 02:32 PM |
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Subthread on pathogenicity of Salmonella in dogs and cats |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:10 PM |
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Windows ME and dial-up? |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 04:13 PM |
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Hey, I would have got a new one by now but I'm moving one of these |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:57 PM |
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Subthread on pathogenicity of Campylobacter in dogs and cats: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:20 PM |
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Subthread on E. coli infection in dogs and cats: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:29 PM |
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Subthread on pathogenicity of Toxoplasma in cats: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 04:32 PM |
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Now here are the facts from someone who has learned much about raw-food diets |
LynneSin |
Apr-04-07 04:34 PM |
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Actually, I think that's more like "here's an anecdote" rather than "here are the facts" |
lukasahero |
Apr-04-07 04:56 PM |
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You have a point there but if you research this on the web |
LynneSin |
Apr-04-07 05:02 PM |
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Sadly, this isn't true either: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 05:02 PM |
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Would Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE)... |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 05:07 PM |
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I doubt it |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 05:16 PM |
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Pets 4 Life FAQ: Grapefruit seed extract kills all dangerous bacteria. |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 05:27 PM |
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hmmm company website vs. |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 05:41 PM |
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University of Georgia Evaluates GSE: Our studies indicate excellent potential for ... (GSE) |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 06:08 PM |
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Please post research data showing how GSE has been proven |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:17 PM |
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New age pseudoscience. That's being CHARITABLE. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:14 PM |
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Apr-04-07 06:12 PM |
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I was not trying to prove a point , or debate with you n/t |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 06:19 PM |
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you do understand that the claims being made... |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 06:23 PM |
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I think it works... not for everything... |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 06:32 PM |
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Do you mean Ascorbic acid? |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 06:43 PM |
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No, it is -- exactly -- what the prescribed medicine says on the bottle |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 06:53 PM |
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For what if I may ask? |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 06:57 PM |
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Reducing blood sugar levels |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 07:01 PM |
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okay if thats what your vet says |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 07:06 PM |
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No, he did not say it was to reduce blood sugar |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 07:15 PM |
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If it were me, I sure wouldn't be taking carbolic acid or phosphoric acid |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 07:31 PM |
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Thanks |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 07:51 PM |
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Stress hyperglycemia is VERY common in cats. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 08:13 PM |
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Thanks |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 08:22 PM |
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Carbolic Acid ... that's phenol, right? |
Pigwidgeon |
Apr-04-07 11:12 PM |
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Umm |
lizerdbits |
Apr-04-07 09:02 PM |
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ooh |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 09:04 PM |
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You mean my vet -- prescribed -- Pine-Sol and Lysol for my cat? |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 09:38 PM |
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Probably something to ask about |
lizerdbits |
Apr-04-07 10:05 PM |
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Something tells me I better stay WAY away from this phenol |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 10:57 PM |
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I am not going to panic |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 11:36 PM |
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"........so I have no idea, what a peer review is ........." |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:34 PM |
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Thanks |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 06:40 PM |
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Peer Review: Journal of Burns and Wounds in December, 2004, GSE |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 07:21 PM |
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NO NO and NO! |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 07:35 PM |
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Have you read the peer review cited? I cannot find it n/t |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 07:59 PM |
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I can't either |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 08:02 PM |
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All I could find is this: |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 08:17 PM |
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This pretty much sums it up: |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 08:43 PM |
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You are also citing two references from a journal I would consider |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 08:52 PM |
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The effectiveness of processed grapefruit-seed extract as an antibacterial agent: I. An in vitro aga |
PhilipShore |
Apr-04-07 09:09 PM |
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Bactericidal activity in vitro is common as dirt. Can it be put into |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 10:59 PM |
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the active ingredient in "GSE" turned out to be the preservative itself |
foo_bar |
Apr-06-07 09:21 AM |
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Anthrax is level 3 |
lizerdbits |
Apr-04-07 08:36 PM |
#141 |
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are you sure? |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 08:41 PM |
#143 |
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I know of one level 3 place that used it |
lizerdbits |
Apr-04-07 09:08 PM |
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It claims it's effective TOPICALLY |
lizerdbits |
Apr-04-07 09:21 PM |
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"......GSE is an effective topical treatment for anthrax........" |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 08:15 PM |
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Nope. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:08 PM |
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This information actually demonstrates the fallacy of anecdotal data. |
yellowcanine |
Apr-04-07 06:02 PM |
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Ah, but there's the rub. Most of the people claiming that "their" |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 06:19 PM |
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Well I am not recommending feeding trials of raw meats either. |
yellowcanine |
Apr-04-07 06:54 PM |
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Thank You |
Everybody |
Apr-04-07 06:24 PM |
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Kestrel, once again, thank you |
WindRavenX |
Apr-04-07 06:24 PM |
#112 |
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Please remember there's a range of opinion here. |
pinto |
Apr-04-07 06:49 PM |
#118 |
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so what came first the human derived dog food or the dog |
madokie |
Apr-04-07 07:53 PM |
#131 |
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Whatever they ate then is not what is available as raw food now. |
mondo joe |
Apr-04-07 08:21 PM |
#137 |
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What don't you buy? My assertion that raw meats contain pathogens |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 08:24 PM |
#139 |
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so we must feed our pets a known food that is not good for them? |
madokie |
Apr-04-07 09:03 PM |
#147 |
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Animals have been eating raw meat forever. And getting parasites and bacteria |
mondo joe |
Apr-04-07 09:24 PM |
#153 |
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here are some NEW reasons why not only should they |
turtlensue |
Apr-04-07 09:48 PM |
#155 |
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This is really "Kestrel's official position on "raw meat" for pets:" then |
flvegan |
Apr-04-07 08:30 PM |
#140 |
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This is actually more correct. I am not keen on homemade diets for |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 08:39 PM |
#142 |
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We've been feeding |
flvegan |
Apr-04-07 09:12 PM |
#151 |
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The jury is in on vegetarian diets for cats. BIG NO-NO. |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-04-07 11:15 PM |
#161 |
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No, it isn't |
flvegan |
Apr-04-07 11:34 PM |
#162 |
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"....I don't think that science has all the answers....." |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-05-07 11:30 AM |
#166 |
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Thank you for being the voice of reason. nt |
atommom |
Apr-06-07 07:50 AM |
#170 |
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Disagreement is not necessarily a flame or an attack. |
InvisibleTouch |
Apr-06-07 10:35 AM |
#174 |
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