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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 03:07 AM
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48. They should be cut from the picture entirely, I don't see the issue.
What is the issue? Oh it's not "political reality"? Neither was voting rights. Neither was segregation. Neither "is" gay rights.

Guess what? Political realities change.

But only if you have the balls to change them rather than complaining.
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  -Single payer advocates don't want insurance companies at the table at all. madfloridian  May-24-09 06:10 PM   #0 
  - Chickens don't want foxes in the hen-house? What a shocker!  JVS   May-24-09 06:11 PM   #1 
  - The idea is good. No point in being defensive toward me  madfloridian   May-24-09 06:13 PM   #2 
     - the reality of how corrupt our congress is  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-25-09 09:16 PM   #35 
        - John Russell Has Advocated The "Choice" Means of Implementation For Some Time Now!  DaLittle Kitty   May-26-09 10:10 AM   #66 
  - Yea ...let's all get along with the sociopaths. Death = Profit ....pffft  L0oniX   May-24-09 06:15 PM   #3 
  - The problem with our health care system IS the profit motive--and kickbacks in the form  rocktivity   May-24-09 06:23 PM   #4 
  - WE CAN'T HAVE A REAL DISCUSSION  dotymed   May-26-09 08:44 AM   #59 
  - Accurate Point WITHOUT QUESTION!  DaLittle Kitty   May-26-09 07:04 PM   #83 
  - NOW you've finally got it! GET RID OF THE "INSURANCE COMPANIES" IN HEALTH CARE!!!  TankLV   May-24-09 06:28 PM   #5 
  - What is your plan to get rid of them?  madfloridian   May-24-09 06:43 PM   #7 
  - oh yeah, I really want to talk with you...  anigbrowl   May-25-09 05:47 PM   #29 
     - !  dionysus   May-26-09 10:32 AM   #70 
  - Make the Government option available to all.  Skink   May-24-09 06:35 PM   #6 
  - they can sell short and long term disability insurance and  madrchsod   May-24-09 06:52 PM   #8 
  - Exactly.  area51   May-25-09 08:48 AM   #21 
  - Believe me if single-payer gets a seat at the table so IT CAN GET HEARD!  Stevepol   May-24-09 06:57 PM   #9 
  - Maybe they should stop saying that insurance companies not allowed.  madfloridian   May-24-09 07:11 PM   #10 
  - Bullshit. The fuckers never have wanted members of the public to have any say  eridani   May-26-09 04:22 AM   #54 
  - +1, Stevepol  Enthusiast   May-26-09 04:21 AM   #53 
  - Insurance companies don't want single-payer advocates at the table either.  bemildred   May-24-09 07:13 PM   #11 
  - Trouble is they are in charge because they control our bosses.  madfloridian   May-24-09 07:14 PM   #12 
     - they don't control all congress - 28 US Senators want single payer on th etable  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-25-09 09:17 PM   #36 
     - So lets get it all out in the open.  blindpig   May-26-09 11:54 AM   #76 
  - We've had a lot of discussion about this in Canada  Canuckistanian   May-24-09 07:44 PM   #13 
  - They're both at the table or they're both out. Can't have one without the other. And if Ins. cos  Captain Hilts   May-24-09 08:34 PM   #14 
  - Obviously not a popular position here.  madfloridian   May-24-09 09:42 PM   #15 
     - Ins. companies have to be there for a couple of reasons.  Captain Hilts   May-24-09 09:46 PM   #16 
     - I think you may be right about that fact...  madfloridian   May-25-09 01:20 PM   #23 
     - MadFloridian:  dotymed   May-26-09 09:05 AM   #60 
        - I am saying we are not being given a choice. Baucus is doing it for us.  madfloridian   May-26-09 10:03 AM   #65 
  - More obfuscation and distraction.  Greyhound   May-24-09 10:07 PM   #17 
  - Let's not play word games.  madfloridian   May-24-09 10:21 PM   #18 
     - I'm not and I'm completely confused as to what you're saying.  Greyhound   May-24-09 11:19 PM   #19 
        - It's confusing, and you and I might be saying the same thing.  madfloridian   May-24-09 11:54 PM   #20 
  - I don't suppose it would be feasible to nationalize the private insurers, huh?  no_hypocrisy   May-25-09 09:54 AM   #22 
  - One large insurer is already nationalized...AIG.  roamer65   May-25-09 01:32 PM   #25 
     - unfortunately, AIG is still about making profit and denying claims  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-25-09 09:14 PM   #33 
  - Extortion (aka insurance)companies should be cut out completely.  roamer65   May-25-09 01:31 PM   #24 
  - Who will do it and how?  madfloridian   May-25-09 05:05 PM   #26 
     - well, in 30+ other countries, the government does it - without insurance companies  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-25-09 09:15 PM   #34 
        - I agree with you. But we gave them the power do we keep them out?  madfloridian   May-25-09 10:47 PM   #41 
  - single payer advocates have no power  Enrique   May-25-09 05:11 PM   #27 
  - We all have the power to divide.  madfloridian   May-25-09 05:23 PM   #28 
  - Nice Commentary  EnoughOfThis   May-25-09 07:58 PM   #30 
  - In Tennessee and Virginia, this is called quality  quidam56   May-25-09 08:13 PM   #31 
  - Yes, we need insurance companies to make a profit and deny services, yes, we really do  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-25-09 09:13 PM   #32 
  - I will ask do you keep them out?  madfloridian   May-25-09 10:46 PM   #40 
  - Madfloridian, watch Bill Moyers program of May 22 and you will understand.  MasonJar   May-25-09 09:18 PM   #37 
  - That's what turned me into a one note player: Private insurance OUT!  emsimon33   May-26-09 09:10 AM   #61 
  - Here's the Moyers' URL  emsimon33   May-26-09 09:12 AM   #62 
  - I would be VERY happy if insurance companies were not at the table.  Stinky The Clown   May-25-09 09:20 PM   #38 
  - I agree.  madfloridian   May-25-09 10:42 PM   #39 
  - Medical Insurers & For-profit providers  Necon-Be-Gone   May-25-09 10:52 PM   #42 
  - I am not advocating for them. I am saying they own congress.  madfloridian   May-25-09 10:54 PM   #43 
  - Right On! I didn't read the OP or the responses (YET), but you got it.....  Mind_your_head   May-25-09 11:00 PM   #44 
  - So we single payer advocates should just go along without a fight?  Lasher   May-26-09 01:49 AM   #45 
  - I don't think you understood what I wrote. You have a right to demand only one way.  madfloridian   May-26-09 10:18 AM   #68 
     - You're right, we'll have to fight just to keep Medicare for seniors.  Lasher   May-26-09 02:38 PM   #82 
  - The woman pulling the healthcare puppet strings:  truthrocks   May-26-09 02:45 AM   #46 
  - Crikey- she sure looks the part  depakid   May-26-09 03:02 AM   #47 
  - Check out her salary! I love to know where my premium money goes!  emsimon33   May-26-09 09:16 AM   #63 
  - They should be cut from the picture entirely, I don't see the issue.  joshcryer   May-26-09 03:07 AM   #48 
  - I'd allow them a seat at the table  bluestateguy   May-26-09 03:20 AM   #49 
  - They can sell car insurance... LOL n/t  Mythsaje   May-26-09 03:28 AM   #50 
  - Agree! There are other options besides "all or nothing" . . .  truthrocks   May-26-09 10:10 AM   #67 
  - ""I can envision a day when you will have to show proof of insurance at the job interview""  Fumesucker   May-26-09 03:58 AM   #51 
  - And apparently it will be the fault of single payer advocates for being divisive  Zodiak   May-26-09 07:45 AM   #57 
  - Not a fair analysis of what I said.  madfloridian   May-26-09 10:59 AM   #72 
     - You should fight for the public option  Zodiak   May-26-09 11:09 AM   #73 
        - I never said any of those things. You just made my point.  madfloridian   May-26-09 11:52 AM   #74 
           - When entering into negotiations in business  Fumesucker   May-26-09 12:09 PM   #77 
           - Oh noes....I'm MF's "enemy" now!!!  Zodiak   May-26-09 12:30 PM   #78 
  - What job interview? We need jobs first, and one of the impediments  JDPriestly   May-26-09 02:23 PM   #81 
  - They can have a seat at the table to discuss providing bells and whistles  eridani   May-26-09 04:20 AM   #52 
  - Transition Money  OETKB   May-26-09 07:31 AM   #55 
  - Good comparison  Profprileasn   May-26-09 07:40 AM   #56 
  - "a complete fantasy"  RufusTFirefly   May-26-09 08:23 AM   #58 
  - Sure, there are a lot of Single-Payer advocates who would like to see NO insurance company  bertman   May-26-09 09:50 AM   #64 
  - Single payer will never happen in America. Know why?  wolfgangmo   May-26-09 10:30 AM   #69 
  - The only reason insurance companies should be allowed at the table  Lydia Leftcoast   May-26-09 10:33 AM   #71 
  - "...while we strive for what we can get." Better nothing than what they're planning.  chaska   May-26-09 11:53 AM   #75 
  - Single payer AND insurance can work together.  mwooldri   May-26-09 01:09 PM   #79 
  - i agree with howard dean.  DesertFlower   May-26-09 01:36 PM   #80 
  - "don't want insurance companies at the table at all. " I second that! nt  and-justice-for-all   May-26-09 07:05 PM   #84 

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