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Thu May-21-09 03:59 PM
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| Yes. Important distinction. |
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Under Junior, they no longer even paid lip service to pretense. They did so many flagrantly wrong and illegal things in the open, or nearly so, in part undoubtedly because of arrogant utter contempt for We The People and those who are supposed to serve us (and that contempt was warranted, in a way, because they were never seriously called on their behavior by anybody). Politicians have always been dishonest (many, anyway) and self-serving, have long been owned by corporate interests in countries like this, and have done a lot of questionable and outright illegal things behind closed doors -- Nixon was one of the first to be caught, or at least reported on, and his actions and failings were child's play compared to those of today's neocons.
War crimes are pretty much inevitable to some degree in war, torture has long been performed by agencies of this country and most others, and unwarranted wars far outnumber those with real cause. But during the Bush II maladministration we saw levels of such excess perhaps rise even higher than they likely were before and, more to the point, do so in plain view. Clinton was impeached over something that should never have been an issue and Bush, Cheney et al. get away with murder, literally, in a Bizarro USA where torture has become official policy and talked about in the open by politicians. Big difference. And, I suspect, although lots of this bad stuff's been happening forever even when it was officially illegal, okaying it on any level will only make it more widespread, more entrenched, and far worse in its extent.
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| -The Great Experiment: 1776-2000 CE. R.I.P. |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 03:35 PM |
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Whaaaaa! Obama didn't fix EVERYTHING instantly. Whaaaaaa. |
FSogol |
May-21-09 03:37 PM |
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Nearly everything he's done has been the WRONG thing. |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 03:40 PM |
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Really? Everything? |
MineralMan |
May-21-09 03:44 PM |
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So, you think giving the war criminals a pass is a good thing-- |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 03:46 PM |
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Did you even listen to the speech today? |
MineralMan |
May-21-09 03:54 PM |
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I don't care about speeches. nt |
ProgressIn2008 |
May-21-09 04:04 PM |
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Oh, OK. Thing is, I was asking someone else. |
MineralMan |
May-21-09 04:08 PM |
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No. Not yet. |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 04:09 PM |
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Really. You sure are using a lot of them, though. |
MineralMan |
May-21-09 04:12 PM |
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Calling for change isn't the same as working for change. |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 04:14 PM |
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those Bush guys sure used that technique |
GreenArrow |
May-22-09 12:37 PM |
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Thank you... |
Mythsaje |
May-22-09 02:44 PM |
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Neither do I. Flowery words do nothing for me. |
SammyWinstonJack |
May-22-09 06:59 AM |
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I had thought that after an absence of a few weeks, these jokers would have some new strawmen |
Elidor |
May-21-09 05:35 PM |
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Stinks of hypocrisy, doesn't it? n/t |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 05:36 PM |
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But you miss it, for them it is a football game |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-22-09 12:13 AM |
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!!! |
SammyWinstonJack |
May-22-09 07:05 AM |
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You Forgot To Say "In My Opinion" |
ProfessorGAC |
May-22-09 05:28 AM |
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When he didn't fix everything that Bush did wrong.... |
brendan120678 |
May-21-09 03:44 PM |
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Fix? How about even TRY to reverse some of it? |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 03:47 PM |
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So you have no problem with no prosecutions of war crimes |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-21-09 11:41 PM |
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Whaaaaa! Somebody posted a thoughtful critique of Teh Pwesident. Whaaaaaa. |
jgraz |
May-22-09 10:07 AM |
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Yah, it's all over now. |
MineralMan |
May-21-09 03:37 PM |
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So when, exactly, would you expect forward motion? |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 03:42 PM |
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Hmm...forward motion. |
MineralMan |
May-21-09 03:50 PM |
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Oh, I thought I outlined things clearly enough in the O.P. |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 04:03 PM |
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I expect to see forward motion from the 20/20 lens of hindsight. |
patriotvoice |
May-21-09 03:56 PM |
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+1 |
MineralMan |
May-21-09 03:59 PM |
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AMEN! |
Rebubula |
May-22-09 07:17 AM |
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Speaking of forward motion... |
Terran |
May-21-09 04:02 PM |
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Welcome to the psychotic world of Obama=Bushland. |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 10:51 PM |
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The United States of America: |
ForrestGump |
May-21-09 03:37 PM |
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Indeed... And it's a good thing, too. n/t |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 03:42 PM |
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why 2000? |
Enrique |
May-21-09 03:38 PM |
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At this level? Not quite. At least they bothered to PRETEND |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 03:43 PM |
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at a much greater level than now |
Enrique |
May-21-09 03:53 PM |
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Yes. Important distinction. |
ForrestGump |
May-21-09 03:59 PM |
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Very well said, Forrest |
Elidor |
May-21-09 06:12 PM |
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It's Obama = Bush rhetoric. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-21-09 03:50 PM |
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Isn't it annoying. I'm getting really, really tired of it. |
MineralMan |
May-21-09 03:53 PM |
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I think it serves a useful purpose. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-21-09 03:55 PM |
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Well, there is that... |
MineralMan |
May-21-09 03:56 PM |
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Ah, the inevitable freeper or paid shill insinuation. |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 04:07 PM |
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Oh, you're bona fide alright. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-21-09 04:17 PM |
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Great response... |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 04:34 PM |
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Because you put so much time and effort into your OP, right? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-21-09 04:36 PM |
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Duh... |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 04:06 PM |
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Someone stop the strawmen please, they're taking over! |
moodforaday |
May-21-09 05:19 PM |
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Do you have a link that has Obama saying he wants indefinite preventative detention? |
Qutzupalotl |
May-21-09 05:57 PM |
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Glenn Greenwald has a good roundup |
moodforaday |
May-22-09 12:11 PM |
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No it's not... |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 04:06 PM |
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Yes it has, people pretend like Presidents ignoring the constitution is something new |
Hippo_Tron |
May-22-09 05:26 AM |
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K&R |
closeupready |
May-21-09 03:48 PM |
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K & R |
L0oniX |
May-21-09 06:41 PM |
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Im sending my donations forever more to the ACLU |
Mari333 |
May-21-09 03:50 PM |
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I don't give money to politicians. Never have. |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 04:08 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
May-21-09 03:54 PM |
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K&R |
Individualist |
May-21-09 03:59 PM |
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K&R |
Echo In Light |
May-21-09 04:01 PM |
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Great post, Mythsaje |
magellan |
May-21-09 04:12 PM |
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Playing to the "moderates" is standard procedure for politicians. Alas. K&R |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
May-21-09 04:17 PM |
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Just not Right Wing politicians |
Lorien |
May-22-09 12:03 AM |
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I enjoyed your post. |
kimmerspixelated |
May-21-09 04:29 PM |
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I Didn't enjoy the post--way too much uncomfortable and depressing truth in it |
abq e streeter |
May-21-09 05:44 PM |
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K&R. |
Vidar |
May-21-09 04:39 PM |
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Formula for Melodrama |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-21-09 05:23 PM |
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Such a well thought out rebuttal... |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 05:28 PM |
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Try to tamp down the violins, babydoll |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-21-09 06:04 PM |
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oh goody, more sarah heartburn, more drama queen shit. |
cali |
May-21-09 05:25 PM |
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Me me me? |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 05:30 PM |
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yeah, you make it all about you and it's pretentious melodramatic |
cali |
May-21-09 06:00 PM |
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You add nothing to the discussion, but, then again, you rarely do. |
Mythsaje |
May-22-09 05:18 AM |
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I think we should provide links to the Canadian immigration office. |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 10:49 PM |
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. |
SammyWinstonJack |
May-22-09 07:14 AM |
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Great Post |
pscot |
May-21-09 05:30 PM |
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That's what people don't seem to get... |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 05:34 PM |
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Uhhh dude... |
MellowDem |
May-21-09 05:39 PM |
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No, I'm not... |
Mythsaje |
May-21-09 05:40 PM |
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We got used like a condom to fuck the repukes and then we get discarded. |
L0oniX |
May-21-09 05:41 PM |
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certainly feels like it these days. |
Soylent Brice |
May-22-09 08:21 AM |
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This was something I really wanted to be wrong about. |
tom_paine |
May-21-09 08:55 PM |
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The oligarchs are in the saddle |
pscot |
May-21-09 10:45 PM |
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It's like they have no concept of a "position of strength" or "higher ground." |
Mythsaje |
May-22-09 02:56 PM |
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At least you haven't received the "Thank you for your concern" blowoff yet |
derby378 |
May-21-09 09:04 PM |
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Thank you for your concern, oh pure ones. |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 10:48 PM |
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Thank you for being a mindless automaton. |
Dragonfli |
May-22-09 06:14 PM |
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Then move or stop your whining. |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 10:47 PM |
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Love it or leave it? |
Mythsaje |
May-22-09 01:12 AM |
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It's unfortunate the American people are so docile. |
alarimer |
May-21-09 11:37 PM |
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Shit. I'm still waiting for justice for the Southeast Asia debacle. . . |
Journeyman |
May-22-09 03:44 AM |
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To some extent, it's the same bunch of assholes... |
Mythsaje |
May-22-09 04:55 AM |
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I see every day that the atrocities committed by the Bush Orginazation... |
BlueJazz |
May-22-09 06:54 AM |
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K&R |
pleah |
May-22-09 08:09 AM |
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if we're dead, we died long before 2000- the selection of |
Bluerthanblue |
May-22-09 08:30 AM |
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K&R Agreed, |
Dragonfli |
May-22-09 09:15 AM |
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k/r As an Obama cheerleader I feel your pain |
mdmc |
May-22-09 12:12 PM |
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Meh. |
scheming daemons |
May-22-09 12:19 PM |
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When did this forum become GD: Melodrama |
StrongBad |
May-22-09 12:34 PM |
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About the same time some folks decided what was good for the goose |
Mythsaje |
May-22-09 02:47 PM |
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Woe is us! (I need my poison drinking emoticon admins.) |
theophilus |
May-22-09 06:32 PM |
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