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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 04:33 PM
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21. Ummmm......
One of the arguments for single payer is the administrative cost savings which are realized through volume. As long as you've got private insurance being made available - often as a nontaxable employee benefit - then those administrative cost savings are not going to be realized. Those cost savings are dependent upon volume and standardization.

That public option will essentially be a national insurance pool of last resort. The only people who are going to buy that undoubtedly standardized crap offering minimum coverage at maximum rates (it will after all be a high risk pool) will be the ones who cannot secure other coverage.

And then there are still the folks who will not have any coverage - private or public - because they cannot afford it. Oh, yeah, I'm sure it will be mandated and there will be penalties for not buying health insurance. So eventually some poor schmuck is going to land in jail for contempt simply because they could not afford to buy somthing they were dcommanded to purchase.

I don't see that a public option is an improvement. It is a con and a sell-out.


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  -Obama is asking for your personal stories in fight for Health Care Reform book_worm  May-20-09 03:21 PM   #0 
  - K & R, and Mr. President, that "guaranteed choice" must include  rateyes   May-20-09 03:25 PM   #1 
  - Is he fighting for single payer?  Coyote_Bandit   May-20-09 03:30 PM   #2 
  - Amen. n/t  DURHAM D   May-20-09 03:31 PM   #3 
  - Yes, but then he never promised to support single payer  book_worm   May-20-09 03:33 PM   #4 
  - I guess you missed this  Coyote_Bandit   May-20-09 03:39 PM   #5 
  - ITA! Anything is better than what we have now.  kjackson227   May-20-09 03:49 PM   #9 
  - I don't follow your logic  nichomachus   May-20-09 06:12 PM   #30 
  - Where's the real reform you talk about?  DireStrike   May-21-09 07:26 AM   #58 
  - Single Payer may well be the end destination  Proud Liberal Dem   May-20-09 03:41 PM   #7 
  - My niece and nephew  Coyote_Bandit   May-20-09 03:49 PM   #8 
  - If a "public option" is made available, why wouldn't you be able to benefit from THAT?  Proud Liberal Dem   May-20-09 03:59 PM   #12 
  - Ummmm......  Coyote_Bandit   May-20-09 04:33 PM   #21 
  - O.k. I understand better where you're coming from now.  Proud Liberal Dem   May-20-09 05:27 PM   #22 
  - What we need is a "private option"  nichomachus   May-20-09 06:17 PM   #36 
  - Ditto. Already had to cancel MD appointment for fear of the bill.  yy4me   May-20-09 06:19 PM   #37 
     - I'm a throwaway  Coyote_Bandit   May-20-09 06:57 PM   #48 
        - I can fully understand the situation you are in as a self-employed  yy4me   May-20-09 08:37 PM   #53 
  - Beware the first step (it's usually a lie)  nichomachus   May-20-09 06:14 PM   #33 
  - Last week , I sent the following reply when asked to stand by & support his plan . . .  Petrushka   May-20-09 04:05 PM   #13 
  - **** gold-plated taxpayer-financed health care is part of what being in Congress is all about. toots  closeupready   May-20-09 04:10 PM   #16 
     - So-o . . . THAT means I ain't never gonna hafta feel guilty 'bout continuin' to say, "N-O, no!" --  Petrushka   May-20-09 04:22 PM   #19 
        - You and me both! LOL  closeupready   May-20-09 04:24 PM   #20 
  - Exactly. If I want to play games, I'm much better at poker.  closeupready   May-20-09 04:07 PM   #14 
  - so did you write that to him?  northernlights   May-20-09 05:38 PM   #24 
  - I've made my opinion on health care reform  Coyote_Bandit   May-20-09 06:39 PM   #41 
  - Well, since Mr. President has given up on the Public Option...  Joe Bacon   May-20-09 08:45 PM   #54 
  - I submitted my story, and I declared that I would not work for his plan  Lydia Leftcoast   May-20-09 03:40 PM   #6 
  - It would be nice if could have a referendum about health care  AlphaCentauri   May-20-09 03:55 PM   #11 
  - Preach on, Sister Woman! The ONLY entities that do not benefit from a single-payer option  Raster   May-20-09 06:14 PM   #32 
  - Well at least you got to the contribution page!  Joe Bacon   May-21-09 07:20 AM   #56 
  - He wants our signature for HIS plan, and then oh yeah you get to rant  Robbien   May-20-09 03:52 PM   #10 
  - He's going to get an earful from me  ramapo   May-20-09 04:10 PM   #15 
  - I tried, but couldn't submit the form without a donation,  tnlefty   May-20-09 04:12 PM   #17 
  - Yeah, I got that too. Guess they don't want to hear from just anybody.  Saphire   May-20-09 05:55 PM   #27 
  - Really?!!! If that is true what a farce! Can others verify? I'm going to try myself in a little bit  Phoebe Loosinhouse   May-20-09 06:27 PM   #39 
  - Everyone's story should include how our elected officials prevented single-payer ...  ColbertWatcher   May-20-09 04:20 PM   #18 
  - Mine did  slay   May-20-09 06:05 PM   #28 
     - They all do, they all should. n/t  ColbertWatcher   May-21-09 12:31 AM   #55 
  - I'm sorry, but if we're not beyond this stage of the debate...  rucky   May-20-09 05:32 PM   #23 
  - Good point. n/t  ColbertWatcher   May-20-09 05:48 PM   #26 
  - Plus how many stories was he told and did he tell on the campaign trail?  Phoebe Loosinhouse   May-20-09 06:45 PM   #44 
  - Here is mine...  here_is_to_hope   May-20-09 05:46 PM   #25 
  - I'll start. My story is how Democratic politicians fight against single payer systems. The End.  Bluebear   May-20-09 06:10 PM   #29 
  - The site is underwhelming and vague  Phoebe Loosinhouse   May-20-09 06:13 PM   #31 
  - He should watch SiCKO  mikelgb   May-20-09 06:15 PM   #34 
  - Appeasing the masses  noamnety   May-20-09 06:15 PM   #35 
  - Agreed. It's a sham intended to distract - to feed the lie that there's a political process  ProgressIn2008   May-20-09 06:44 PM   #43 
  - I used the un-subscribe option  Dragonfli   May-20-09 06:21 PM   #38 
  - .  Coyote_Bandit   May-20-09 06:45 PM   #45 
     - TY Don't get many of those these days  Dragonfli   May-20-09 06:54 PM   #47 
        - Have another  Coyote_Bandit   May-20-09 07:02 PM   #49 
        - Warm thoughts and feelings.  Dragonfli   May-20-09 08:09 PM   #51 
        - For you AND the dogs  Bluebear   May-20-09 07:14 PM   #50 
           - Thank you  Dragonfli   May-20-09 08:12 PM   #52 
  - My personal health story?  randr   May-20-09 06:36 PM   #40 
  - ...and wants your money.  leftofthedial   May-20-09 06:41 PM   #42 
  - When I start seeing him fight against war crimes  Johonny   May-20-09 06:47 PM   #46 
  - Please help me put the lipstick on this big stinky pig!  QC   May-21-09 07:24 AM   #57 
 

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