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Response to Reply #146
148. Yes, that's all pretty basic. What I am trying to learn isn't that, it is how
a person can add x many calories worth of mass without ingesting at least that many in the form of food. There have been some suggestions hereabouts that claim it is possible, I just want to know how.

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  -Obesity, lets cut to the chase shall we? nadinbrzezinski  May-12-09 09:09 PM   #0 
  - Here's an interesting show from the CBC  Richard D   May-12-09 09:16 PM   #1 
  - thanks listening to add  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:18 PM   #3 
  - Just a brief heads-up . . .  Richard D   May-12-09 09:29 PM   #10 
     - Which is one of the emerging elements of research  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:31 PM   #13 
        - And I do believe I have all of them.  dgibby   May-12-09 10:12 PM   #42 
  - wow that was a brilliant link thanks nt  Mari333   May-12-09 09:29 PM   #11 
  - Very cogent post....I'm sure you will take heat for it though.  OwnedByFerrets   May-12-09 09:18 PM   #2 
  - every time I know  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:19 PM   #4 
     - "choice is a luxury"  islandgirl808   May-12-09 09:21 PM   #5 
     - It surely is.  OwnedByFerrets   May-13-09 08:05 AM   #110 
  - recommend  xchrom   May-12-09 09:23 PM   #6 
  - The Armed Forces do something called "force shaping"--and they sometimes use the shape of their  MADem   May-12-09 09:23 PM   #7 
  - Not even talking about that  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:25 PM   #8 
     - Well, I brought it up because you discussed the military standards in your thesis.  MADem   May-12-09 09:33 PM   #15 
        - Of course the military has an off \ on policy depending on personnel needs  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:36 PM   #17 
           - I think the biggest part of the problem is that people don't MOVE much anymore.  MADem   May-12-09 09:51 PM   #27 
              - Yeah but in places like Mexico City where the car culture is not that  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:54 PM   #31 
              - Is Mexico City all that friendly to walkers?  MADem   May-12-09 09:59 PM   #38 
                 - yes, even today  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 10:02 PM   #40 
                 - Most Mexican cities are friendly to walkers  Warpy   May-13-09 10:08 AM   #128 
              - Europe has a much cooler climate, as well.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-12-09 10:22 PM   #48 
                 - It gets mighty hot in Spain and Italy. It's scorching in Sicily.  MADem   May-12-09 11:44 PM   #75 
                 - And even the eating routine is different  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 11:49 PM   #77 
                 - exactly, i lived in spain where it can get to 108 and that was before global warming  demigoddess   May-13-09 12:18 AM   #89 
                 - we need a 6 hour workday  noiretextatique   May-13-09 05:49 PM   #187 
                 - I grew up in Dallas when not everything was completely air conditioned.  CTyankee   May-13-09 01:39 PM   #145 
                 - Funny they are finding that our temp controlled environments  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 01:44 PM   #147 
                 - Many people succumb to heat exhaustion because they have become acclimated  Arkansas Granny   May-13-09 02:25 PM   #162 
                    - And some people succumb to heat exhaustion b/c it's too goddamn hot out there.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-13-09 04:02 PM   #176 
  - One of the ways that the poor try to survive  hyphenate   May-12-09 09:26 PM   #9 
  - and that my dear is our national food policy  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:30 PM   #12 
  - But starches DON'T fill the stomach faster!  suzy creemcheeze   May-14-09 01:06 PM   #229 
  - I have a problem with one thing you said:  Believing Is Art   May-12-09 09:31 PM   #14 
  - While lentils are cheap, one of the few grains that are  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:35 PM   #16 
  - It can be done, though  Believing Is Art   May-12-09 09:42 PM   #21 
  - But I am talking of a national food policy  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:47 PM   #25 
     - I'm not disagreeing that our food policy is hugely flawed  Believing Is Art   May-12-09 09:57 PM   #34 
        - I am not saying it is impossible  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 10:00 PM   #39 
           - Okay, I thought you had said it could not be done in your OP  Believing Is Art   May-13-09 12:43 AM   #95 
           - The emerging science and if we ever get single payer health care  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 12:57 AM   #99 
           - a lady approached me at the store few months ago  noiretextatique   May-13-09 05:57 PM   #188 
              - And one reason for her choice of foods  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 06:03 PM   #190 
           - I think it depends a lot on where you are, and where you can shop.  LooseWilly   May-14-09 12:13 AM   #221 
              - That is part of the national food policy  nadinbrzezinski   May-14-09 12:15 AM   #222 
                 - By national food policy, are you speaking of government policy?  LooseWilly   May-14-09 02:37 AM   #225 
  - Ramen has become huge with the food stamp users  imdjh   May-12-09 10:59 PM   #57 
  - Oh trust me I know  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 11:04 PM   #61 
  - Lentils are actually legumes. nt  tblue37   May-13-09 12:08 AM   #84 
  - you are right, but you know the point I was making  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 12:12 AM   #87 
  - The problem is not really that we have a bad national food policy ...  surrealAmerican   May-13-09 10:06 AM   #127 
     - Actually we do have a national food policy  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 12:22 PM   #134 
        - I disagree.  surrealAmerican   May-13-09 01:59 PM   #151 
           - Read the AG bill, it is the US food policy  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 02:04 PM   #154 
  - There are many poor neighborhoods that have no access to  dgibby   May-12-09 10:20 PM   #47 
  - The odd thing is, a farmer's market in a low-income area...  MonteLukast   May-12-09 11:03 PM   #60 
  - I live in a low-income area which has a farmer's market.  backtoblue   May-13-09 09:20 AM   #119 
  - I've managed to eat healthy off 7-11 fare  Believing Is Art   May-13-09 12:51 AM   #97 
  - Also, frozen vegetables nowadays are 'fresher' than 'fresh' ones  konnichi wa   May-13-09 09:00 AM   #117 
  - I couldn't agree more!  Carni   May-12-09 09:37 PM   #18 
  - When I was a kid during the great depression many people were poor.  theoldman   May-12-09 09:37 PM   #19 
  - Check your stats for obesity in places like Bolivia, Thailand, Mexico  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:41 PM   #20 
  - Add in the diabetic rates  Carni   May-12-09 09:54 PM   #29 
     - When the researchers finally get to a workable answer  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:58 PM   #36 
        - I totally agree  Carni   May-12-09 10:15 PM   #44 
  - When you were a kid you ate real food. Not sodas. Not McDonalds. Not Snackwells  Stephanie   May-12-09 11:27 PM   #70 
  - And people are alcoholics because they drink too much.  Hansel   May-13-09 07:48 PM   #217 
  - Abstinence education and diet/exercise education have been massive medical failures  Juche   May-12-09 09:43 PM   #22 
  - We are finding that viruses are involved, as well as genetics  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:50 PM   #26 
  - Another possible cause are manmade chemicals that mimic hormones  Juche   May-12-09 09:54 PM   #30 
     - Yes, the more I read the more I go... fascinating  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:55 PM   #32 
     - This is what I think the problem is  Carni   May-12-09 09:58 PM   #35 
     - Testosterone burns fat. Estrogen builds fat.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-13-09 12:55 AM   #98 
        - I'm a guy and I wouldn't want to take estrogen pills either  Juche   May-13-09 03:01 AM   #107 
  - You have a really excellent point here  wildflower   May-13-09 11:58 AM   #130 
     - From an evolutionary perspective, dieting should make people fatter  Juche   May-13-09 08:39 PM   #219 
  - Thank you very much for this  Warpy   May-12-09 09:44 PM   #23 
  - I gave up on ideal weight a long time ago  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 09:53 PM   #28 
  - Oprah admitted finally that she has a thyroid problem.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-12-09 10:15 PM   #45 
     - Can you develop thyroid resistance...  MonteLukast   May-12-09 10:59 PM   #58 
        - I think so  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 11:06 PM   #63 
           - What with all the pharmaceuticals in the water supply...  MonteLukast   May-12-09 11:09 PM   #65 
              - ah here we go  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 11:11 PM   #67 
  - I changed my diet two months ago.  NOW tense   May-12-09 09:46 PM   #24 
  - i changed my diet last week  musette_sf   May-12-09 09:56 PM   #33 
     - There is defintely something to it. n/t  NOW tense   May-13-09 03:30 AM   #108 
  - One of the big problems in the USA is HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup)  roamer65   May-12-09 09:59 PM   #37 
  - Not only the US, but you are correct  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 10:03 PM   #41 
  - I understand your predicament with Splenda.  roamer65   May-12-09 10:13 PM   #43 
  - Splenda has chlorine in it. Not good.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-12-09 10:17 PM   #46 
     - So does table salt  Warpy   May-13-09 01:13 AM   #102 
  - Have you tried Stevia?  dgibby   May-12-09 10:30 PM   #51 
  - Didn't like it, but I guess I will have to give it another try  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 10:45 PM   #53 
  - good post and important topic...  handmade34   May-13-09 12:00 AM   #79 
     - Don't leave home without my shopping bag  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 12:04 AM   #82 
     - I think sleep is a HUGE factor  spooky3   May-13-09 06:18 PM   #194 
  - They make a diet soda with Stevia now!  MonteLukast   May-12-09 10:58 PM   #56 
  - Don't like it.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-13-09 12:09 AM   #85 
  - Why would HFCS...  MonteLukast   May-12-09 10:55 PM   #54 
     - Evil magic joo joo.  HiFructosePronSyrup   May-13-09 02:10 PM   #156 
  - One anecdote  90-percent   May-12-09 10:27 PM   #49 
  - And even "thin" people have higher body weights now.  MonteLukast   May-12-09 11:07 PM   #64 
     - There is actual talk of ahem changing the actuarial tables  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 11:16 PM   #68 
     - they've already changed them at least once. changed the standards for  Hannah Bell   May-13-09 05:07 PM   #183 
     - Look at old films  Stephanie   May-12-09 11:32 PM   #72 
        - Most of them smoked  Missy Vixen   May-13-09 09:29 AM   #120 
  - THanks for a mature discussion on this folks  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 10:27 PM   #50 
  - Thanks for posting.  dgibby   May-12-09 10:45 PM   #52 
     - Oh you welcome I also was a very thin kid  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 10:56 PM   #55 
        - Good for you. I'm always happy whenever anyone is successful.  dgibby   May-12-09 11:05 PM   #62 
           - What is funny is that once I adopted this intuitive eating habit  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 11:10 PM   #66 
              - I've been doing "I can make you thin"  Missy Vixen   May-13-09 09:34 AM   #122 
  - I've always had to fight my weight. I have wondered if it wasn't the milk.  imdjh   May-12-09 11:01 PM   #59 
  - Have you ever been tested for lactose intolerance?  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 11:18 PM   #69 
  - I at least half agree with you -- when people are fat now, it's not their fault --  smalll   May-12-09 11:28 PM   #71 
  - Please do explain to me the epidemic rates of obesity in  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 11:33 PM   #73 
     - I was trying to be fair and sympathetic, but clearly for some deep-seated reason you just HAVE  smalll   May-13-09 12:04 AM   #83 
        - Not only you cannot discuss popular culture in a mature manner but you cannot  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 12:15 AM   #88 
        - Considering the fact there's been a study within the past  Missy Vixen   May-13-09 09:40 AM   #123 
  - I think the evidence is mounting that an epidemic is chemical poisoning.  azul   May-12-09 11:40 PM   #74 
  - Yes, I think you are right  nadinbrzezinski   May-12-09 11:45 PM   #76 
     - Astonishing, yet beckoning somehow, like a puzzle.  azul   May-13-09 12:20 AM   #90 
  - The reasons are multifactorial  raventattoo   May-12-09 11:50 PM   #78 
  - If it was mindset it would just be the United States  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 12:02 AM   #81 
  - Another factor is overwork. It takes time to make rice and beans.  Stephanie   May-13-09 12:25 AM   #92 
  - I eat mostly junk food and work a sendentary job  Skittles   May-13-09 12:25 AM   #93 
  - Take that $20  Coyote_Bandit   May-13-09 09:33 AM   #121 
  - Beans and nuts ARE quality proteins...  suzy creemcheeze   May-14-09 02:11 PM   #230 
  - Been to the grocery store lately?  Missy Vixen   May-13-09 09:54 AM   #126 
  - ok  d_b   May-13-09 07:18 PM   #211 
  - And the real "Let's cut to the chase"  raventattoo   May-13-09 12:00 AM   #80 
  - You are wrong, some medis, AVANDIA for example, have  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 12:11 AM   #86 
  - So where does the body's increased mass *come from* then, if not from food eaten?  BlooInBloo   May-13-09 08:31 AM   #112 
  - Woe is us... !!  handmade34   May-13-09 12:26 AM   #94 
  - We have a winner.  flvegan   May-13-09 12:58 AM   #100 
  - There are a couple up thread that are just as stupid  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 01:05 AM   #101 
  - Another poster wondered, with seemingly good reason, just where does the increase  konnichi wa   May-13-09 08:53 AM   #116 
     - Read my post re Sinequan  Hekate   May-13-09 12:24 PM   #135 
        - I can sympathacize but it doesn't address the question of where the added mass  konnichi wa   May-13-09 01:13 PM   #142 
           - Then as a scientist you may want to learn this  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 01:41 PM   #146 
           - Yes, that's all pretty basic. What I am trying to learn isn't that, it is how  konnichi wa   May-13-09 01:52 PM   #148 
              - Ok if I eat the same bowl of cereal as you  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 01:58 PM   #150 
                 - Yes, that addresses the metabolism -rate-...let me try an analogy:  konnichi wa   May-13-09 02:43 PM   #169 
                    - Ok you can get what is going on  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 03:13 PM   #170 
                       - Thank you very much Nadin for following up so patiently and clearly...  Hekate   May-13-09 03:44 PM   #174 
                       - Please believe that I have no reason or desire to be obtuse!  konnichi wa   May-13-09 04:17 PM   #178 
                       - I must disagree with your first point: calories are calories are calories.  konnichi wa   May-13-09 04:15 PM   #177 
                          - But not the way they are used by the body  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 04:46 PM   #181 
                             - Okay, you win. I should have remembered my discussions with creationists  konnichi wa   May-13-09 06:53 PM   # 
                                - You are comparing science with creationists?  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 06:59 PM   #205 
           - I'll explain this again: What part of "insane cravings" was not clear? The caloric intake increased  Hekate   May-13-09 03:58 PM   #175 
              - Okay, I never intended to offend anyone. But I'm pretty sure that no other  konnichi wa   May-13-09 04:25 PM   #179 
                 - No one here has asked to violate the laws of thermodynamics. But you are not paying attention...  Hekate   May-13-09 04:39 PM   #180 
                    - I am aware that some people appear to think that the laws of physics are  konnichi wa   May-13-09 06:21 PM   #195 
                       - You are being willfully obtuse. At this point I think you're stirring the pot for amusement.  Hekate   May-13-09 06:46 PM   #202 
  - Honey, we'll talk after you've been on Prednisone  Warpy   May-13-09 01:16 AM   #103 
  - Talk to me after you've been on Sinequan for fibromyalgia for almost 20 years...  Hekate   May-13-09 03:50 AM   #109 
  - Sorry, I didn't have any problem eating healthy when I was poor  anigbrowl   May-13-09 12:24 AM   #91 
  - don't be sorry...  handmade34   May-13-09 12:47 AM   #96 
  - No, lets cut to the real chase...nutrition.  flvegan   May-13-09 01:16 AM   #104 
  - National food policy includes things like the  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 01:19 AM   #105 
     - The food pyramid is influenced by large agribusiness corporations.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-13-09 02:50 AM   #106 
        - yes... of course!  handmade34   May-13-09 08:24 AM   #111 
        - That silly thing has changed a LOT in my lifetime. They move around  MADem   May-13-09 08:49 AM   #115 
  - From my personal experience with weight gain and loss  dugaresa   May-13-09 08:38 AM   #113 
  - The problem is stress, poverty, refined carbs, and access to healthy fresh food.  AllieB   May-13-09 08:44 AM   #114 
  - This goes beyond US borders  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 12:29 PM   #139 
  - You make some excellent points!  Love Bug   May-13-09 09:01 AM   #118 
  - When we find the real answer to this,  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 12:58 PM   #141 
     - I agree. Something about the chemical load we carry  Love Bug   May-14-09 10:55 AM   #226 
  - "WORLD WIDE epidemic..."  dysfunctional press   May-13-09 09:43 AM   #124 
  - Peru is not advanced, the hinterlands of mexico are not advanced  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 12:25 PM   #136 
     - fat people have absolutely NOBODY to blame for it other than themselves.  dysfunctional press   May-13-09 01:17 PM   #143 
        - Ok now that you got your puritan statement out  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 01:35 PM   #144 
        - it's only an 'epidemic' in industrialized countries...  dysfunctional press   May-13-09 01:53 PM   #149 
           - Peru is industrialized? That will come as a surprise to them  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 01:59 PM   #152 
              - ALL of those places have industries making products for the american marketplace.  dysfunctional press   May-13-09 02:03 PM   #153 
                 - They are NOT industrialized, you get a clue  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 02:07 PM   #155 
                 - look- whatever you need to do or believe to be comfortable with yourself is fine with me.  dysfunctional press   May-13-09 02:15 PM   #158 
                    - And if you do the same fine by me  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 02:18 PM   #160 
                       - i changed my diet and lost 60 lbs in less than three months.  dysfunctional press   May-13-09 02:29 PM   #163 
                          - Congratulations, so I lost fifty pounds and maintained for three years  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 02:36 PM   #165 
                          - whatever you need to believe...that's your prerogative in life.  dysfunctional press   May-13-09 02:38 PM   #166 
                             - Again congratulations, you are the exception, congrats  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 02:43 PM   #168 
                                - you keep spouting 'science...science ...science'...  dysfunctional press   May-13-09 05:03 PM   #182 
                                - Yes, even the amish are seeing higher rates of obesity  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 05:23 PM   #184 
                                   - my first instict would be that it has more to do with childhood factors than anything.  dysfunctional press   May-13-09 06:05 PM   #191 
                                      - And that is part of what we have been trying to tell you  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 06:16 PM   #193 
                                         - Oh and let me add, this does not mean people should wallow  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 06:28 PM   #198 
                                         - the reason i lost so much weight so quickly was because i had to give up ALL dietary starch...  dysfunctional press   May-13-09 08:26 PM   #218 
                                         - Ah you did a variation of the low carb diet  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 11:42 PM   #220 
                                         - for me, the starch is a medical issue.  dysfunctional press   May-14-09 12:17 AM   #223 
                                         - Ah yes, as I said specific medical problems  nadinbrzezinski   May-14-09 12:25 AM   #224 
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                          - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-09 06:01 PM   #189 
                             - and you're not?  dysfunctional press   May-13-09 06:13 PM   #192 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-13-09 07:27 PM   #215 
        - what about fat children?  CreekDog   May-13-09 07:25 PM   #214 
  - These folks don't seem to have a problem with obesity  snooper2   May-13-09 09:45 AM   #125 
  - In western culture, the girls would be called fat and in need of breast implants  MADem   May-13-09 12:03 PM   #131 
  - And I will say this again, the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 12:28 PM   #138 
  - My story of weight gain  ChickMagic   May-13-09 10:54 AM   #129 
  - Put the cinnamon in your coffee. It's good for diabetes, cinnamon is.  MADem   May-13-09 12:05 PM   #132 
  - Hey I do... read it in the intertubes  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 12:36 PM   #140 
  - addicted to cinnamon scones  snooper2   May-13-09 12:27 PM   #137 
     - Oh, snooper2  ChickMagic   May-14-09 12:18 PM   #228 
  - Cheap food and low wages....  Javaman   May-13-09 12:13 PM   #133 
  - Thinking about my weekly grocery bill.  gbate   May-13-09 02:13 PM   #157 
  - It's not the food, it's the inactivity. The human species is built for a lot more  Bread and Circus   May-13-09 02:15 PM   #159 
  - If this was JUST the US you'd have a point  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 02:21 PM   #161 
  - you "process" food when you chew it with your teeth...  Bread and Circus   May-13-09 02:32 PM   #164 
     - Read some of the emerging science because it does not  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 02:40 PM   #167 
     - ...lol  Bread and Circus   May-13-09 03:15 PM   #171 
        - So you can't so poopooing emerging science is your way to deal with this  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 03:19 PM   #172 
     - when we talk about processed food...  handmade34   May-13-09 03:41 PM   #173 
  - Indeed...and (I mention this with great trepidation): I check in to DU at odd hours and days and  konnichi wa   May-13-09 06:24 PM   #196 
     - Some of us work at home... and my exercise machine gets used every day  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 06:31 PM   #199 
        - Look, I appreciate your attempt but trying to short-circuit the laws of thermodynamics  konnichi wa   May-13-09 06:44 PM   #201 
           - It is simple, in your mind it is short circuiting  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 06:49 PM   #203 
  - Article about leptin and reverse T3 research.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-13-09 05:27 PM   #185 
  - Thanks and more is emerging  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 05:44 PM   #186 
  - I'm not quite sure, but I am quite sure I agree with you.  Mike 03   May-13-09 06:27 PM   #197 
  - Well first we need to start talking about this at the POLICY level  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 06:37 PM   #200 
     - I agree with every one of your points except one: I think physicians do have a role  Mike 03   May-13-09 06:53 PM   #204 
        - Here is the problem with doctors  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 07:03 PM   #206 
           - That is true. They get an hour or two of education about nutrition, except for the docs  Mike 03   May-13-09 07:05 PM   #207 
              - And those not really, the good ones have in the practice  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 07:06 PM   #208 
                 - Okay, okay... I surrender.  Mike 03   May-13-09 07:13 PM   #209 
                    - Brother is a doc, one of the top three Chrohs disease specialists  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 07:17 PM   #210 
  - Cheap foods. High fructose corn syrup. Video games instead of soccer  Tutankhamun   May-13-09 07:22 PM   #212 
  - The video games are part of the answer in the US, but not in Peru  nadinbrzezinski   May-13-09 07:24 PM   #213 
  - Observations  JNelson6563   May-14-09 11:31 AM   #227 
     - But the truth is that more poor are overweight than higher-income people  suzy creemcheeze   May-14-09 02:18 PM   #231 
 

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