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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 08:00 PM
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When did Union become a dirty word?
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Mr. President ,I shall enter on no encomium upon Massachusetts; she needs none. There she is. Behold her, and judge for yourselves. There is her history; the world knows it by heart. The past, at least, is secure. There is Boston, and Concord, and Lexington, and Bunker Hill; and there they will remain for ever. The bones of her sons, falling in the great struggle for Independence, now lie mingled with the soil of every State from New England to Georgia; and there they will lie for ever. And Sir, where American Liberty raised its first voice, and where its youth was nurtured and sustained, there it still lives, in the strength of its manhood, and full of its original spirit. If discord and disunion shall wound it, if party strife and blind ambition shall hawk at and tear it, if folly and madness, if uneasiness under salutary and necessary restraint, shall succeed in separating it from that Union, by which alone its existence is made sure, it will stand, in the end, by the side of that cradle in which its infancy was rocked; over the friends who gather round it; and it will fall at last, if fall it must, amidst the proudest monuments of its own glory, and on the very spot of its origin.

I have not allowed myself, Sir, to look beyond the Union, to see what might lie hidden in the dark recess behind. I have not cooly weighed the chances of preserving liberty when the bonds that unite us together shall be broken asunder. I have not accustomed myself to hang over the precipice of disunion, to see whether, with my short sight, I can fathom the depth of the abyss below; nor could I regard him as a safe counsellor in the affaairs of this government, whose thoughts should be mainly bent on considering, not how the Union may be best preserved, but how tolerable might be the condition of the people when it should be broken up and destroyed. While the Union lasts, we have high, exciting, gratifiying prospects spread out before us and our children. Beyond that I seek not to penetrate the veil.

- Daniel Webster,
The Second Reply to Hayne
January 26-27, 1830

So when did Union become a pejorative, and why?


http://www.dartmouth.edu/~dwebster/speeches/hayne-speec...

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  -When did Union become a dirty word? Xipe Totec  May-12-09 08:00 PM   #0 
  - It was always a dirty word to the bosses.  aquart   May-12-09 08:05 PM   #1 
  - 'scuse me, massa, listening to the bosses? n/t  Xipe Totec   May-12-09 08:06 PM   #4 
  - It happened about the same time liberal became a bad word  merh   May-12-09 08:06 PM   #2 
  - Reagan is the one who tore down the unions.  avaistheone1   May-12-09 10:33 PM   #36 
     - he also made "liberals" a bad word.  merh   May-12-09 10:43 PM   #38 
        - Correct on both scores.  avaistheone1   May-12-09 10:56 PM   #39 
  - About three years before the word "liberal" became a dirty word. n/t  WeDidIt   May-12-09 08:06 PM   #3 
  - Jesus christ, I ask: When was it NOT a dirty word.  Mike 03   May-12-09 08:08 PM   #5 
  - A dirty word, but to whom?  Xipe Totec   May-12-09 08:11 PM   #6 
     - Who do you think? The employers. The corporations who pay the employees.  Mike 03   May-12-09 08:13 PM   #7 
     - I can see, then, why employers would be against unions,  Xipe Totec   May-12-09 08:28 PM   #9 
     - People that didn't work for unions that got less pay then the union guy next  mrcheerful   May-12-09 08:28 PM   #10 
  - About when raygun became president.  muntrv   May-12-09 08:17 PM   #8 
  - Why does St Reagan hate America?  Xipe Totec   May-12-09 08:30 PM   #12 
  - Remember the 80's?  omega minimo   May-12-09 08:28 PM   #11 
  - No, Alzheimer's.  Xipe Totec   May-12-09 08:35 PM   #15 
     - Then why you aksin?  omega minimo   May-12-09 08:40 PM   #18 
        - Did you read the original post?  Xipe Totec   May-12-09 08:41 PM   #19 
           - Are you playing a game?  omega minimo   May-12-09 08:47 PM   #23 
              - I'm trying to understand why you're giving me a hard time,  Xipe Totec   May-12-09 08:52 PM   #27 
                 - No intention of doing so, sorry.  omega minimo   May-12-09 08:57 PM   #30 
  - See bourgeoisification  JVS   May-12-09 08:31 PM   #13 
  - The Reagan administration started the war on unions  liberal N proud   May-12-09 08:34 PM   #14 
  - It never *wasn't* a dirty word --  Davis_X_Machina   May-12-09 08:36 PM   #16 
  - So, I guess the victors of the Civil War were not Real Americans  Xipe Totec   May-12-09 08:38 PM   #17 
     - Look at how the Southerners derided the soldiers of the Union:  Davis_X_Machina   May-12-09 08:48 PM   #24 
  - August 3rd, 1981. The PATCO strike  Canuckistanian   May-12-09 08:44 PM   #20 
  - Try 1947  Xipe Totec   May-12-09 08:47 PM   #22 
     - Yes, that was significant  Canuckistanian   May-12-09 09:05 PM   #31 
        - And then, planes started chucking engines on takeoff, and nobody noticed...  Xipe Totec   May-12-09 09:06 PM   #32 
  - When Joey said it.  BlooInBloo   May-12-09 08:44 PM   #21 
  - I was going to say around 1980 under Reagan - the worst President this country has ever seen  ThomWV   May-12-09 08:51 PM   #25 
  - At least Reagan was elected n/t  Xipe Totec   May-12-09 08:54 PM   #29 
  - You need to ask all of the people who support non union auto makers  michreject   May-12-09 08:52 PM   #26 
  - Forgive me if I don't hold my breath...  Xipe Totec   May-12-09 08:53 PM   #28 
  - OH, you mean most of the membership here on DU?  DainBramaged   May-12-09 10:31 PM   #35 
  - w/o my union I'd have no health coverage  proud patriot   May-12-09 09:12 PM   #33 
  - When it was voted on by "Secret Ballot"  Touchdown   May-12-09 10:23 PM   #34 
  - When the pro-rich conservatives said it was  Kievan Rus   May-12-09 10:34 PM   #37 
  - If you think its bad now, wait until the public pension bills start to roll in  ProgressiveProfessor   May-13-09 09:17 AM   #40 
 

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