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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 11:56 AM
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33. With all due respect- that's what I said about Obama
I was a Hillary fan, still am, diehard kicking and screaming right up to ten minutes after she conceded Hillary fan.
I said that Obama couldn't win this time around, he was not electable nationally. His primary wins were a fluke, and a strategy that was a poor substitute for genuine win.
I was angry that Democrats were bailing on the first viable female candidate, a virtual shoe-in winner, and that the party was being ripped apart by college students and fringe who any other cycle would have been throwing away their vote on some third party candidate.
And I was wrong.

Then I saw something, I can't remember where, that made a lot of sense. It was a discussion about WHY Obama was running, and why now was the time. Yes, it was at the expense of Hillary Clinton, but it would be at the expense of someone or some group. Why it was necessary to see the opportunity and strike while the iron was hot. It was an informative historical discussion about how black people had MISSED the last opportunity for a giant leap forward, and that the last opportunity had been nearly a hundred years ago with the women's suffrage movement or something like that. I don't remember the specifics, because they weren't important- the idea was important and it made sense.

You say that "now is not the time". Now IS the time. When is this going to happen? During the great recovery when people are going back to work? When they are getting employer healthcare that they didn't have before? When they are feeling good and prosperous? Now is the time. Now is when it is clear to people how big the need is, how fragile their "security" has actually been. Now is the ONLY time.

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  - A real person answers at the Missoula office  imdjh   May-12-09 10:18 AM   #7 
  - fax baucus  davidswanson   May-12-09 10:41 AM   #16 
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  - They picked up the phone, then disconnnected me. Now it is  snowdays   May-12-09 10:54 AM   #22 
  - They are not answering. The phone operater asked me  snowdays   May-12-09 10:56 AM   #23 
  - Helena mailbox is full -  imdjh   May-12-09 11:07 AM   #25 
  - good job Montana--ians.  snowdays   May-12-09 12:59 PM   #48 
  - DC answers  imdjh   May-12-09 11:08 AM   #26 
  - i tried several times today and it keeps ringing and ring........  snowdays   May-12-09 01:00 PM   #49 
     - Billings isn't answering either. nt  imdjh   May-12-09 01:42 PM   #55 
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     - Here's how I figure it  destes   May-13-09 02:06 PM   #104 
        - Your statement that taxes will equal current premiums.  Doremus   May-13-09 02:29 PM   #106 
           - OK, I get it.  destes   May-14-09 04:24 AM   #109 
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                 - Where do I start? I know. We agree. Is that Okay?  destes   May-14-09 02:58 PM   #113 
                    - Okay, I understand.  Doremus   May-14-09 04:14 PM   #114 
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  - K&R  Eyerish   May-12-09 10:32 AM   #12 
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  - Can't hurt.  aquart   May-12-09 06:09 PM   #67 
  - Such A Waste Of Time And Resources.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-12-09 11:40 AM   #30 
  - With all due respect- that's what I said about Obama  imdjh   May-12-09 11:56 AM   #33 
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  - Kucinich stepped on his own crank  imdjh   May-12-09 12:06 PM   #35 
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  - K&R  Bushknew   May-12-09 12:53 PM   #47 
  - K&R  Fireweed247   May-12-09 01:10 PM   #51 
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  - K&R  pleah   May-12-09 07:06 PM   #70 
  - K&R  Wednesdays   May-12-09 09:34 PM   #72 
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  - Baucus knows how it works  dflprincess   May-13-09 12:25 AM   #77 
  - IF The Administration Wanted This... There Would Be Leadership From Them!!!  ChiciB1   May-13-09 09:11 AM   #89 
     - I agree. Except the way we are going to get any movement is we have to do it our selves.  John Q. Citizen   May-13-09 10:28 AM   #99 
        - And This Is A Shame Too!! There Are Far Too Many Of Us Who  ChiciB1   May-13-09 10:51 AM   #101 
  - The corporate-media plays a role in this . . . they get 80% of the campaign funds . . .!!!  defendandprotect   May-13-09 10:21 AM   #95 
  - America, a true plutocracy..........  farmboxer   May-12-09 11:41 PM   #74 
  - max baucus: dickhead. shame on him. that prick needs to step aside  orleans   May-13-09 12:43 AM   #78 
  - What's his number?  grahamhgreen   May-13-09 12:45 AM   #79 
  - CONGRESSIONAL SWITCHBOARD-TOLL FREE 202-224-3121  defendandprotect   May-13-09 10:23 AM   #96 
     - Calling now  grahamhgreen   May-14-09 10:09 AM   #111 
     - I said, "Could you tell him that people literally are dying to get single-payer. Literally." nt  grahamhgreen   May-14-09 10:13 AM   #112 
  - Take Baukus down  bridgit   May-13-09 12:46 AM   #80 
  - I am so angry!  farmboxer   May-13-09 01:59 AM   #81 
  - how much Max Baucus received in big pharma contributions and insurance industry?  livefreest   May-13-09 02:57 AM   #82 
  - Believe Baucus is the largest recipient of health care funds . . . and coincidentally  defendandprotect   May-13-09 10:24 AM   #97 
     - of course coincidentally. what else could it be?  livefreest   May-14-09 01:20 AM   #108 
  - let's all march on Washington, DC and call on Pres Obama from the Lincoln Memorial  livefreest   May-13-09 03:51 AM   #83 
  - OK . . . maybe Howard Dean's organization will get this going?  defendandprotect   May-13-09 10:25 AM   #98 
  - Unfortunately I won't e there.  zeemike   May-13-09 08:06 AM   #86 
  - I'm In The Same Boat With You... Would LOVE To March & Give Them  ChiciB1   May-13-09 10:54 AM   #102 
  - Wish I could be. Give the bastards hell.  mmonk   May-13-09 08:07 AM   #87 
  - kick  Why Syzygy   May-13-09 09:52 AM   #90 
  - K&R! n/t  beac   May-13-09 09:55 AM   #91 
  - Fitting Proof That the Oligarchs Are In Control - Single Payer Is The Only Option  lostnotforgotten   May-13-09 09:55 AM   #92 
  - I just called -- they were polite and no trouble getting thru switchboard . . .  defendandprotect   May-13-09 10:20 AM   #94 
  - Isn't the Congressional building ours?  Kalyke   May-13-09 02:10 PM   #105 

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