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Reply #19: I think Rich is missing the point when he talks about paying for news [View All]

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19. I think Rich is missing the point when he talks about paying for news
He says, "The real question is for the public, not journalists: Does it want to pony up for news, whatever the media that prevail? It’s all a matter of priorities. Not long ago, we laughed at the idea of pay TV. Free television was considered an inalienable American right (as long as it was paid for by advertisers). Then cable and satellite became the national standard."

What Rich isn't getting is that news is information -- not entertainment. It doesn't depend on special effects or surround sound. If all the major tv and print news media suddenly followed the Wall Street Journal and went print-only, there would still be people who'd instantly copy stories onto blogs and message boards. There'd be people who would more legitimately post brief quotes and summaries at places like DU. And the Net being what it is, within an hour the stories would be everywhere -- which isn't much inducement for the public in general to pay for the originals.

That's not even mentioning all the local newspapers and such that pay for wire service stories and freely post them online. For Rich's idea to work would mean placing a kind of lockdown on *all* news sources, from the New York Times down to the Podunk Gazette, and establishing an RIAA-style crusade to track down, fine, and even jail illegal reprinters. Oh -- and you'd also have to keep Americans from accessing any foreign news sources. Lots of luck with that.

Rich's basic error is that once a story is online in *any* form, it's too late to stop it from getting out -- and thus too late to try to force readers to pay for it. On the other hand, it's also clear that advertising is no longer going to be able to subsidize the news the way it once did -- and government subsidies are also a non-starter.

I feel really stupid saying this, but the most plausible answer I can see is for news gathering to become even *more* politicized and partisan than it has been. One thing we know people are willing to pay for is to get their own political positions more widely disseminated. So what the hell -- why not go all the way and have the 527's and think-tanks do the heavy lifting? Add in an array of bloggers with well-honed skills at detecting bullshit and propaganda to act as middlemen. And then turn the whole thing loose on the Net and let the chips fall as they may.

Traditional reporters who have been raised on a credo of objectivity won't approve of it -- but it's not as if most of them have ever really been objective themselves. And it might actually be the best long-term solution.

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  American Press On Suicide Watch-By FRANK RICH-It Started 3 Yrs Ago With COLBERT's Monologue kpete  May-10-09 11:31 AM   #0 
   If "Colbert’s routine did not kill." .. it certainly dealt it a mortal blow.  annabanana   May-10-09 11:36 AM   #1 
   Well said.  bleever   May-10-09 02:33 PM   #15 
   Yet they (the media) do not understand the reflection in the mirror  me b zola   May-10-09 04:31 PM   #25 
      this one?  UpInArms   May-11-09 12:12 AM   #34 
         LOL, yeah, that's the one  me b zola   May-11-09 08:00 PM   #50 
   I watched that performance and I didn't see it as "falling flat" Post reportage notwithstanding.  MADem   May-10-09 11:37 AM   #2 
   There's no wonder about that  Warpy   May-10-09 12:01 PM   #6 
   In their very reporting of Colbert's performance, they PROVED his every word.  TahitiNut   May-10-09 12:36 PM   #9 
      Exactly - in fact I thought their response was a continuation of his performance.  glitch   May-10-09 03:07 PM   #16 
         Yes ... well-framed. It did indeed serve as continuation. The line between parody and 'reality' ...  TahitiNut   May-10-09 03:21 PM   #18 
            We're all Plato's people in a cave but they really bring it on home don't they  glitch   May-10-09 04:23 PM   #24 
   When the papers all fold up and the journalists are out of a job where will we get the news...  L0oniX   May-10-09 11:38 AM   #3 
   The good reporters will find places online.  backscatter712   May-10-09 11:42 AM   #5 
   Good investigating reporting takes finances verses just being a talking or writing head  stray cat   May-10-09 12:21 PM   #8 
   True, and the readers will have to step up and pay for it.  glitch   May-10-09 03:10 PM   #17 
   Rich's point in the article is that "good" reporters need not just to pay rent but pay for airfare  KittyWampus   May-10-09 12:57 PM   #11 
   Both of them -nt  notesdev   May-11-09 08:29 AM   #44 
   I think Rich is missing the point when he talks about paying for news  starroute   May-10-09 03:22 PM   #19 
   I think you make good arguments  Robb   May-10-09 04:00 PM   #23 
      It worries me, too  starroute   May-10-09 06:45 PM   #26 
         I'm a fan of hyper-localization  Robb   May-10-09 09:04 PM   #33 
            Micropayments would have to be a lot more micro than that  starroute   May-11-09 10:21 AM   #46 
   LOLz  MadrasT   May-11-09 07:20 AM   #39 
   Colbert  90-percent   May-10-09 11:42 AM   #4 
   +1. . . .big time  annabanana   May-10-09 12:07 PM   #7 
   Amen  SmileyRose   May-10-09 02:04 PM   #12 
   So true!  leftstreet   May-10-09 03:35 PM   #20 
   I agree. That was one of the bravest things I've ever seen.  Arugula Latte   May-10-09 08:30 PM   #30 
   agreed, an heroic and patriotic act of momentous proportion.  tomp   May-11-09 07:13 AM   #38 
   Just re-watched it today.  AllentownJake   May-10-09 12:47 PM   #10 
   Of course the Pressitutes can't see the Forest for the Trees  MagickMuffin   May-10-09 02:19 PM   #13 
   K&R  Wednesdays   May-10-09 02:30 PM   #14 
   Colbert at the White House dinner was hilarious and shocking and historic  slay   May-10-09 03:49 PM   #21 
   Stephen Colbert truly socked it to the Harper Valley PTA.  Berry Cool   May-10-09 08:12 PM   #29 
   Right. Has nothing at all to do with Internet. Also...  anigbrowl   May-10-09 03:51 PM   #22 
   Bullshit. I hate how media people extracate themselves from the mess they helped cause  Uzybone   May-10-09 06:49 PM   #27 
   Kicking for your post.  Uncle Joe   May-10-09 08:02 PM   #28 
   Or how about before that, when it was "Bill's BJs from Monica" 24/7.  Arugula Latte   May-10-09 08:31 PM   #31 
   The American Press turned into the U.S. Pravda long ago.  Kansas Wyatt   May-10-09 08:41 PM   #32 
   And, ironically, Pravda has become  timtom   May-11-09 07:43 AM   #41 
      Pravda vs. American corporate MSM  90-percent   May-11-09 08:18 AM   #43 
   In that case, the suicide watch began with media complicity in Reagan's election/hostage release/  omega minimo   May-11-09 01:13 AM   #35 
   Jan.20,1981 was the day I decided the fix was in.  yorgatron   May-11-09 04:24 AM   #37 
      Yeah was it was the Blue Pill Red Pill moment, that split screen hostage inauguration.  omega minimo   May-11-09 02:03 PM   #49 
   Thank you for having a great memory  NNN0LHI   May-11-09 08:03 AM   #42 
   Colbert fuckin' rules.  Initech   May-11-09 01:26 AM   #36 
   True, however, we obviously need serious, comprehensive, objective, REAL national news  Echo In Light   May-11-09 07:20 AM   #40 
   I think this also helped...  KansDem   May-11-09 09:55 AM   #45 
   Journalists are always beholden to those who pay them.  Orsino   May-11-09 11:05 AM   #47 
      It's a right-wing talking point that "liberal" journalists report and say whatever they choose  Echo In Light   May-11-09 11:13 AM   #48 
 

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