starroute
(1000+ posts)
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Sun May-10-09 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #3 |
| 19. I think Rich is missing the point when he talks about paying for news |
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He says, "The real question is for the public, not journalists: Does it want to pony up for news, whatever the media that prevail? It’s all a matter of priorities. Not long ago, we laughed at the idea of pay TV. Free television was considered an inalienable American right (as long as it was paid for by advertisers). Then cable and satellite became the national standard."
What Rich isn't getting is that news is information -- not entertainment. It doesn't depend on special effects or surround sound. If all the major tv and print news media suddenly followed the Wall Street Journal and went print-only, there would still be people who'd instantly copy stories onto blogs and message boards. There'd be people who would more legitimately post brief quotes and summaries at places like DU. And the Net being what it is, within an hour the stories would be everywhere -- which isn't much inducement for the public in general to pay for the originals.
That's not even mentioning all the local newspapers and such that pay for wire service stories and freely post them online. For Rich's idea to work would mean placing a kind of lockdown on *all* news sources, from the New York Times down to the Podunk Gazette, and establishing an RIAA-style crusade to track down, fine, and even jail illegal reprinters. Oh -- and you'd also have to keep Americans from accessing any foreign news sources. Lots of luck with that.
Rich's basic error is that once a story is online in *any* form, it's too late to stop it from getting out -- and thus too late to try to force readers to pay for it. On the other hand, it's also clear that advertising is no longer going to be able to subsidize the news the way it once did -- and government subsidies are also a non-starter.
I feel really stupid saying this, but the most plausible answer I can see is for news gathering to become even *more* politicized and partisan than it has been. One thing we know people are willing to pay for is to get their own political positions more widely disseminated. So what the hell -- why not go all the way and have the 527's and think-tanks do the heavy lifting? Add in an array of bloggers with well-honed skills at detecting bullshit and propaganda to act as middlemen. And then turn the whole thing loose on the Net and let the chips fall as they may.
Traditional reporters who have been raised on a credo of objectivity won't approve of it -- but it's not as if most of them have ever really been objective themselves. And it might actually be the best long-term solution.
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American Press On Suicide Watch-By FRANK RICH-It Started 3 Yrs Ago With COLBERT's Monologue |
kpete |
May-10-09 11:31 AM |
#0 |

If "Colbert’s routine did not kill." .. it certainly dealt it a mortal blow. |
annabanana |
May-10-09 11:36 AM |
#1 |
 
Well said. |
bleever |
May-10-09 02:33 PM |
#15 |
 
Yet they (the media) do not understand the reflection in the mirror |
me b zola |
May-10-09 04:31 PM |
#25 |

this one? |
UpInArms |
May-11-09 12:12 AM |
#34 |

LOL, yeah, that's the one |
me b zola |
May-11-09 08:00 PM |
#50 |

I watched that performance and I didn't see it as "falling flat" Post reportage notwithstanding. |
MADem |
May-10-09 11:37 AM |
#2 |
 
There's no wonder about that |
Warpy |
May-10-09 12:01 PM |
#6 |
 
In their very reporting of Colbert's performance, they PROVED his every word. |
TahitiNut |
May-10-09 12:36 PM |
#9 |

Exactly - in fact I thought their response was a continuation of his performance. |
glitch |
May-10-09 03:07 PM |
#16 |

Yes ... well-framed. It did indeed serve as continuation. The line between parody and 'reality' ... |
TahitiNut |
May-10-09 03:21 PM |
#18 |

We're all Plato's people in a cave but they really bring it on home don't they |
glitch |
May-10-09 04:23 PM |
#24 |

When the papers all fold up and the journalists are out of a job where will we get the news... |
L0oniX |
May-10-09 11:38 AM |
#3 |
 
The good reporters will find places online. |
backscatter712 |
May-10-09 11:42 AM |
#5 |
  
Good investigating reporting takes finances verses just being a talking or writing head |
stray cat |
May-10-09 12:21 PM |
#8 |
   
True, and the readers will have to step up and pay for it. |
glitch |
May-10-09 03:10 PM |
#17 |
  
Rich's point in the article is that "good" reporters need not just to pay rent but pay for airfare |
KittyWampus |
May-10-09 12:57 PM |
#11 |
  
Both of them -nt |
notesdev |
May-11-09 08:29 AM |
#44 |
 
I think Rich is missing the point when he talks about paying for news |
starroute |
May-10-09 03:22 PM |
#19 |
  
I think you make good arguments |
Robb |
May-10-09 04:00 PM |
#23 |
 
It worries me, too |
starroute |
May-10-09 06:45 PM |
#26 |
 
I'm a fan of hyper-localization |
Robb |
May-10-09 09:04 PM |
#33 |
 
Micropayments would have to be a lot more micro than that |
starroute |
May-11-09 10:21 AM |
#46 |
 
LOLz |
MadrasT |
May-11-09 07:20 AM |
#39 |

Colbert |
90-percent |
May-10-09 11:42 AM |
#4 |
 
+1. . . .big time |
annabanana |
May-10-09 12:07 PM |
#7 |
 
Amen |
SmileyRose |
May-10-09 02:04 PM |
#12 |
 
So true! |
leftstreet |
May-10-09 03:35 PM |
#20 |
 
I agree. That was one of the bravest things I've ever seen. |
Arugula Latte |
May-10-09 08:30 PM |
#30 |
 
agreed, an heroic and patriotic act of momentous proportion. |
tomp |
May-11-09 07:13 AM |
#38 |

Just re-watched it today. |
AllentownJake |
May-10-09 12:47 PM |
#10 |

Of course the Pressitutes can't see the Forest for the Trees |
MagickMuffin |
May-10-09 02:19 PM |
#13 |

K&R |
Wednesdays |
May-10-09 02:30 PM |
#14 |

Colbert at the White House dinner was hilarious and shocking and historic |
slay |
May-10-09 03:49 PM |
#21 |
 
Stephen Colbert truly socked it to the Harper Valley PTA. |
Berry Cool |
May-10-09 08:12 PM |
#29 |

Right. Has nothing at all to do with Internet. Also... |
anigbrowl |
May-10-09 03:51 PM |
#22 |

Bullshit. I hate how media people extracate themselves from the mess they helped cause |
Uzybone |
May-10-09 06:49 PM |
#27 |
 
Kicking for your post. |
Uncle Joe |
May-10-09 08:02 PM |
#28 |
 
Or how about before that, when it was "Bill's BJs from Monica" 24/7. |
Arugula Latte |
May-10-09 08:31 PM |
#31 |
 
The American Press turned into the U.S. Pravda long ago. |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-10-09 08:41 PM |
#32 |
  
And, ironically, Pravda has become |
timtom |
May-11-09 07:43 AM |
#41 |
 
Pravda vs. American corporate MSM |
90-percent |
May-11-09 08:18 AM |
#43 |
 
In that case, the suicide watch began with media complicity in Reagan's election/hostage release/ |
omega minimo |
May-11-09 01:13 AM |
#35 |
  
Jan.20,1981 was the day I decided the fix was in. |
yorgatron |
May-11-09 04:24 AM |
#37 |
 
Yeah was it was the Blue Pill Red Pill moment, that split screen hostage inauguration. |
omega minimo |
May-11-09 02:03 PM |
#49 |
 
Thank you for having a great memory |
NNN0LHI |
May-11-09 08:03 AM |
#42 |

Colbert fuckin' rules. |
Initech |
May-11-09 01:26 AM |
#36 |
 
True, however, we obviously need serious, comprehensive, objective, REAL national news |
Echo In Light |
May-11-09 07:20 AM |
#40 |

I think this also helped... |
KansDem |
May-11-09 09:55 AM |
#45 |

Journalists are always beholden to those who pay them. |
Orsino |
May-11-09 11:05 AM |
#47 |

It's a right-wing talking point that "liberal" journalists report and say whatever they choose |
Echo In Light |
May-11-09 11:13 AM |
#48 |