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96. Place the interests of the country above her self-interest.
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  -What was Pelosi supposed to do after she was briefed in 2002? jsamuel  May-08-09 12:09 PM   #0 
  - See this thread: "CIA (Letter) Admits That Info About Torture Briefings For Dems May Not Be Accurate  emulatorloo   May-08-09 12:12 PM   #1 
  - yeah, it is fishy  jsamuel   May-08-09 12:13 PM   #4 
  - "Cheney Sleeper Cells" = didn't Seymour Hersh report something about that?  emulatorloo   May-08-09 12:51 PM   #32 
  - Anyone who thinks BUSH told Pelosi the truth, while LYING, LYING, LYING, is an idiot!  L. Coyote   May-09-09 12:28 PM   #134 
  - personally, I would have told. Jail or no, I would have told and since  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:10 PM   #150 
  - of course, the repigs are targeting her, I don't hear much talk  bdamomma   May-11-09 10:39 AM   #171 
  - That would be Number One.  Fovea   May-08-09 12:13 PM   #2 
  - You realize that over 50% of the American public supports torture NOW, let alone what they suppored  jsamuel   May-08-09 12:14 PM   #8 
     - Great Isn't It???  atreides1   May-08-09 12:40 PM   #27 
     - amazingly, yes  jsamuel   May-08-09 12:44 PM   #29 
     - How is that germane to the third Geneva convention?  Fovea   May-08-09 04:12 PM   #45 
     - 50% support it now because no on stood up against it, its been normalized  Political Heretic   May-08-09 07:13 PM   #91 
     - They also support it because they think the "terrorists" deserve it  magellan   May-08-09 11:48 PM   #101 
     - Back when she was being briefed nobody in those numbers thought that.  bahrbearian   May-09-09 09:13 AM   #120 
     - Bull Shit, and you know it!  L. Coyote   May-09-09 12:30 PM   #135 
     - Huh? I looked it up and it does seem to be  Bonn1997   May-09-09 08:20 PM   #156 
        - Links?  L. Coyote   May-09-09 09:23 PM   #165 
           - Go to pollingreport.com You'll find all sorts of polls on just about any topic including torture  Bonn1997   May-10-09 12:06 PM   #168 
              - Links to back up your statement??  L. Coyote   May-11-09 10:36 AM   #170 
     - so, fuck em. some things you die for and this is one of them. if you  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:12 PM   #151 
  - Folks really don't 'get' this point. They don't understand the responsibility of knowing...  Captain Hilts   May-08-09 12:13 PM   #3 
  - I believe folks DO get the responsibility of "knowing"...  MrMickeysMom   May-08-09 12:57 PM   #34 
  - One person does not have the right to declassify information. It's that simple. nt  Captain Hilts   May-08-09 01:57 PM   #37 
     - Well, that's true, but it's not what I refer to...  MrMickeysMom   May-08-09 02:31 PM   #39 
     - I understand you now. Thanks. nt  Captain Hilts   May-08-09 02:35 PM   #40 
        - No problemo, Captain!  MrMickeysMom   May-08-09 03:08 PM   #44 
     - even when its criminal? What about the camps bush was supposed to  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:15 PM   #153 
  - if they had told her that they were putting people into camps and  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:14 PM   #152 
  - In her shoes, I'd like to think I'd speak out.  BulletproofLandshark   May-08-09 12:13 PM   #5 
  - Here's a suggestion: DON'T LIE ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW IS GOING ON  Raskolnik   May-08-09 12:14 PM   #6 
  - Number 1.  hobbit709   May-08-09 12:14 PM   #7 
  - What she should have done is not taken Impeachment off the table....  LakeSamish706   May-08-09 12:15 PM   #9 
  - She needs to be out in front  Mz Pip   May-08-09 12:15 PM   #10 
  - Entered it into the Congressional Record (ala Pentagon Papers)  BR_Parkway   May-08-09 12:15 PM   #11 
  - If you remember, they DID try to do that, but McCain backed out and they took it out of the bill.  jsamuel   May-08-09 12:17 PM   #12 
  - the winding road that is John McCain -- his silence since the release of the memo is precious...no?  Supersedeas   May-09-09 10:10 PM   #167 
  - Exactly.  Luminous Animal   May-08-09 12:57 PM   #33 
  - Bingo.  noamnety   May-08-09 05:35 PM   #72 
  - That was my first thought when I read the question.  OmmmSweetOmmm   May-09-09 11:24 AM   #125 
  - agreed, BR_Parkway  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:17 PM   #154 
  - Thank you for this well-thought-out post. n/t  lamp_shade   May-08-09 12:17 PM   #13 
  - Well if she was told then she shouldn't of said she was never "let me repeat"  JonLP24   May-08-09 12:19 PM   #14 
  - There's a lot she could have done.  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-08-09 12:20 PM   #15 
  - Hmm  jsamuel   May-08-09 12:23 PM   #18 
  - # 2 is really good  NNN0LHI   May-08-09 04:39 PM   #50 
  - and she should have put impeachment on the table. nt  Mojorabbit   May-08-09 01:23 PM   #35 
  - There were already reports of abuse and torture in the Arab press  EFerrari   May-08-09 04:20 PM   #46 
  - Impeach.  mikelgb   May-08-09 12:20 PM   #16 
  - There is a difference between  Inuca   May-08-09 12:21 PM   #17 
  - evil cannot continue without the silence of others. she is evil and if  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:19 PM   #155 
  - Remember Pentagon Papers? A congressman or senator, can read anything into the Congressional record.  tritsofme   May-08-09 12:27 PM   #19 
  - Now that is a good point.  jsamuel   May-08-09 12:29 PM   #20 
  - Intelligence information has its own rules. nt  Captain Hilts   May-08-09 02:35 PM   #41 
     - No it doesn't. You simply cannot punish a member of Congress for reading something into the record.  tritsofme   May-08-09 06:08 PM   #77 
        - Yes, it does have special restrictions. Individuals are not permitted to decide to reveal  Captain Hilts   May-08-09 08:00 PM   #92 
           - The executive branch can maintain that the information is restricted.  tritsofme   May-08-09 08:33 PM   #95 
  - none of the above - she didn't do anything because she agreed  Crabby Appleton   May-08-09 12:30 PM   #21 
  - I think this argument is pretty weak.  Skinner   May-08-09 12:32 PM   #22 
  - Well, it does imply that, but as you state, you don't really know.  jsamuel   May-08-09 12:34 PM   #24 
     - I'd be the last person to throw any of our congressional leadership off the bus.  Skinner   May-08-09 12:38 PM   #26 
        - No, not at all far-fetched.  jsamuel   May-08-09 12:42 PM   #28 
           - Fair enough.  Skinner   May-08-09 12:45 PM   #30 
           - Oversight without the power (or will) to intervene is not oversight.  EFerrari   May-08-09 04:28 PM   #48 
              - not arguing with you there  jsamuel   May-08-09 04:46 PM   #56 
              - What Pelosi did or didn't do comes down to means and ends.  EFerrari   May-08-09 04:54 PM   #59 
              - she never will because she is culpable. she could face jail herself  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:21 PM   #157 
              - Yes  Solly Mack   May-08-09 05:23 PM   #68 
                 - Yep, it's disgusting. And those of us following this issue who  EFerrari   May-08-09 05:32 PM   #71 
                    - Yes  Solly Mack   May-08-09 05:36 PM   #73 
                       - either side, anyone, all of them, go to jail.  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:22 PM   #158 
  - Yep. Perfect summary. There is no other argument.  Buzz Clik   May-08-09 12:34 PM   #23 
  - protest privately  Enrique   May-08-09 12:38 PM   #25 
  - Yes, he did.  jsamuel   May-08-09 12:47 PM   #31 
     - actually, you can exercise true leadership and blow the lid off. that is  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:24 PM   #159 
  - 1. Speak About It In Public and Risk Being Thrown In Jail  NashVegas   May-08-09 01:26 PM   #36 
  - Or she could have leaked it like a real professional. n/t  EFerrari   May-08-09 02:37 PM   #42 
     - *snort*  NashVegas   May-08-09 03:05 PM   #43 
     - It's possible that she did.  bottomtheweaver   May-08-09 04:26 PM   #47 
        - The story first came out of the Arab press and then it was picked up  EFerrari   May-08-09 04:30 PM   #49 
        - Abu Ghraib?  bottomtheweaver   May-08-09 04:40 PM   #51 
           - The reports of torture at Abu Ghraib started circulating almost immediately  EFerrari   May-08-09 04:45 PM   #54 
              - Okay. But that raises the question of which torture we're talking about,  bottomtheweaver   May-08-09 04:51 PM   #57 
                 - I don't see any evidence that "rogues" were responsible for torture  EFerrari   May-08-09 04:58 PM   #60 
                    - Yes, of course it was all the same program,  bottomtheweaver   May-08-09 05:00 PM   #62 
                       - BushCo started torture almost immediately after 9/11.  EFerrari   May-08-09 05:06 PM   #66 
                          - What they did and what they briefed Pelosi on are two different things.  bottomtheweaver   May-08-09 05:15 PM   #67 
                             - That's right. The issue of what Pelosi knew is a red herring  EFerrari   May-08-09 05:25 PM   #69 
        - In terms of US Newspeople, Abu Gharib was first uncovered by Mary Mapes, who  truedelphi   May-09-09 12:25 AM   #107 
  - She should have tried to slip a limitation on the funding for that  JDPriestly   May-08-09 02:19 PM   #38 
  - Do you understand how the CIA is funded?  NNN0LHI   May-08-09 04:45 PM   #53 
     - Outrageous. I did not know this.  JDPriestly   May-08-09 06:59 PM   #88 
     - Gotta have that "deniability".  bemildred   May-08-09 07:06 PM   #89 
  - She's supposed to defend the Constitution.  BuyingThyme   May-08-09 04:43 PM   #52 
  - Like in the oath she took.  walldude   May-08-09 05:03 PM   #63 
  - interesting post a DailyKos dealing with this issue:  jsamuel   May-08-09 04:45 PM   #55 
  - Chris Matthews is talking about what she knew right now...  OHDEM   May-08-09 04:53 PM   #58 
  - The Cheney admin had no intention of telling Dems all of what was going on...  bridgit   May-08-09 04:59 PM   #61 
  - Well....  Baby Snooks   May-08-09 05:04 PM   #64 
  - Maybe she did.  bottomtheweaver   May-08-09 05:05 PM   #65 
     - At that time, it was practically TREASON to even suggest..  OHDEM   May-08-09 05:26 PM   #70 
        - And that's exactly when the American people need their leaders to stand up. n/t  EFerrari   May-08-09 05:38 PM   #74 
        - Agreed. But the Dems have never been known for their...  OHDEM   May-08-09 06:02 PM   #75 
           - It's a mistake to say Democrats aren't known for their backbone.  EFerrari   May-08-09 06:16 PM   #79 
              - I disagree.  OHDEM   May-08-09 06:22 PM   #81 
                 - Yep. Were Franken a Republican, he'd already be sworn in  EFerrari   May-08-09 06:24 PM   #83 
                    - You're right. nt  OHDEM   May-08-09 06:26 PM   #84 
        - and that is when you step up. That is when leadership is required.  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:25 PM   #160 
  - Stand up on the floor of the house and say "Bush is torturing people".  bemildred   May-08-09 06:03 PM   #76 
  - Anyone want to speculate on how long it would have taken...  OHDEM   May-08-09 06:12 PM   #78 
     - So what?  bemildred   May-08-09 06:27 PM   #85 
     - Not true.  OHDEM   May-08-09 06:31 PM   #86 
        - Article I, Section 6:  bemildred   May-08-09 06:53 PM   #87 
           - "except Treason"  OHDEM   May-08-09 08:12 PM   #93 
              - Actually no it doesn't  TwixVoy   May-08-09 08:22 PM   #94 
                 - Exactly.  bemildred   May-08-09 09:58 PM   #98 
                 - I can read just fine - I disagree with what you think it means and...  OHDEM   May-08-09 11:25 PM   #99 
                    - From your Cornell source, further down:  bemildred   May-09-09 10:45 AM   #122 
                       - What Is Particularly Cute About That Decision, My Friend  The Magistrate   May-09-09 11:32 AM   #127 
                       - I may be wrong, but I think an illegal act cannot be deemed a state secret.  YankmeCrankme   May-09-09 12:56 PM   #137 
                       - A State Secret, Sir, is What The State Says It Is  The Magistrate   May-09-09 01:53 PM   #138 
                          - I don't think that is correct. Truth2Tell posted info on executive order 12356  YankmeCrankme   May-09-09 09:07 PM   #164 
                       - That is a cute decision, Sir.  bemildred   May-09-09 03:39 PM   #139 
                          - And Being Aware Of My Bent Towards The Pragmatic, My Friend  The Magistrate   May-09-09 05:30 PM   #144 
                             - Yes Sir.  bemildred   May-09-09 05:46 PM   #145 
                             - Have you seen this drivel Sir:  bemildred   May-09-09 05:54 PM   #146 
                                - No, Sir, It Had Escaped Me  The Magistrate   May-09-09 06:13 PM   #147 
                                   - You too Sir.  bemildred   May-09-09 06:17 PM   #148 
                                      - Always Hated 'To Kill A Mockingbird', Sir....  The Magistrate   May-09-09 06:19 PM   #149 
                       - I'm not a Constitution law expert...  OHDEM   May-09-09 11:49 AM   #128 
                          - It is a blanket immunity for speech in the exercise of their legislative duty.  bemildred   May-09-09 03:44 PM   #141 
     - and so we ignore evil because the fuckers might yell about it? Is that  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:27 PM   #161 
  - If you believe the policy was wrong, then don;t defend Pelosi  Fading Captain   May-08-09 06:18 PM   #80 
  - If you believe the policy was wrong,  OHDEM   May-08-09 06:24 PM   #82 
     - It's not a tactic from the right, it's holding our own party up to standards  Fading Captain   May-09-09 12:27 AM   #108 
        - Anyone who broke the law should be held accountable...  OHDEM   May-09-09 01:55 AM   #116 
           - I agree. In no way, shape or form  Fading Captain   May-09-09 10:07 PM   #166 
  - Whatever it takes. Including speaking out about it.  Political Heretic   May-08-09 07:10 PM   #90 
  - Place the interests of the country above her self-interest.  Individualist   May-08-09 08:41 PM   #96 
  - two things  nadinbrzezinski   May-08-09 08:43 PM   #97 
  - Is there a process by which she would go to the USSC  OHDEM   May-08-09 11:33 PM   #100 
     - Yeah there are ways that she could have gone to the USSC  nadinbrzezinski   May-09-09 01:00 AM   #111 
        - I don't know the answer.  OHDEM   May-09-09 02:10 AM   #117 
           - The answer is honor  nadinbrzezinski   May-09-09 05:09 PM   #143 
  - I think she should have had a big steak dinner, gone home, and taken a warm soothing bath.  Kablooie   May-08-09 11:59 PM   #102 
  - How about... PUT IMPEACHMENT ON THE TABLE  jgraz   May-09-09 12:17 AM   #103 
  - I believe she knew they didn't have the votes.  OHDEM   May-09-09 12:22 AM   #106 
     - You can't pardon your way out of impeachment  jgraz   May-09-09 12:42 AM   #109 
        - You're kidding yourself if you think that's not exactly what...  OHDEM   May-09-09 01:06 AM   #112 
           - Seriously, it's, like, written down and everything  jgraz   May-09-09 11:03 AM   #123 
              - Huh?  OHDEM   May-09-09 12:02 PM   #129 
                 - I've been more than patient, but you need to actually *read* posts before you respond.  jgraz   May-09-09 12:14 PM   #132 
                    - You're condescending because you can't back up the right-wing...  OHDEM   May-09-09 12:26 PM   #133 
                       - I'll let my posts speak for themselves  jgraz   May-09-09 12:50 PM   #136 
  - Abu Gharib n/t  rucky   May-09-09 12:21 AM   #104 
  - I am not a big fan of Pelosi - but I hear you and agree.  truedelphi   May-09-09 12:22 AM   #105 
  - just what she did...  leftofthedial   May-09-09 12:43 AM   #110 
  - By 'briefed' do you mean an 'enhanced briefing'? n/t  ControlledDemolition   May-09-09 01:23 AM   #113 
  - She was supposed to speak up for those individuals who were not as strong, nor as well protected as  cherokeeprogressive   May-09-09 01:33 AM   #114 
  - Sure, but we haven't really gone THERE yet,...  OHDEM   May-09-09 01:40 AM   #115 
  - That is so fucking wrong. Get them all at the same time lest some of them run to  cherokeeprogressive   May-09-09 02:20 AM   #118 
     - I'm sorry, but you're WAY over the top.  OHDEM   May-09-09 08:40 AM   #119 
  - agreed 100%. she isn't a fucking bystander. she is there to LEAD.  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:29 PM   #162 
  - "Classified" is the last refuge of the scoundrel  Lydia Leftcoast   May-09-09 10:31 AM   #121 
  - She is 3rd in line to the Presidency. She is not powerless  yodoobo   May-09-09 11:05 AM   #124 
  - What exactly did she know and what was the right thing?  OHDEM   May-09-09 12:12 PM   #131 
     - we can do two things at once and given that she was supposed to  roguevalley   May-09-09 08:30 PM   #163 
  - 5. Vote AGAINST every lame-ass bill Bush & his pals proposed  SoCalDem   May-09-09 11:25 AM   #126 
  - Stand up for the truth?  dbt   May-09-09 12:07 PM   #130 
  - Speak up.  LWolf   May-09-09 03:42 PM   #140 
  - After reviewing her interview with Rachel Maddow ...  GeorgeGist   May-09-09 04:14 PM   #142 
  - Here is what Congress did.  JDPriestly   May-10-09 01:09 PM   #169 
  - wasn't Dennis Hastert the House majority Leader then?  bdamomma   May-11-09 12:14 PM   #172 
 

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