| 1. See this thread: "CIA (Letter) Admits That Info About Torture Briefings For Dems May Not Be Accurate |
| -What was Pelosi supposed to do after she was briefed in 2002? |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:09 PM |
#0 |
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See this thread: "CIA (Letter) Admits That Info About Torture Briefings For Dems May Not Be Accurate |
emulatorloo |
May-08-09 12:12 PM |
#1 |
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yeah, it is fishy |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:13 PM |
#4 |
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"Cheney Sleeper Cells" = didn't Seymour Hersh report something about that? |
emulatorloo |
May-08-09 12:51 PM |
#32 |
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Anyone who thinks BUSH told Pelosi the truth, while LYING, LYING, LYING, is an idiot! |
L. Coyote |
May-09-09 12:28 PM |
#134 |
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personally, I would have told. Jail or no, I would have told and since |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:10 PM |
#150 |
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of course, the repigs are targeting her, I don't hear much talk |
bdamomma |
May-11-09 10:39 AM |
#171 |
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That would be Number One. |
Fovea |
May-08-09 12:13 PM |
#2 |
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You realize that over 50% of the American public supports torture NOW, let alone what they suppored |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:14 PM |
#8 |
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Great Isn't It??? |
atreides1 |
May-08-09 12:40 PM |
#27 |
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amazingly, yes |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:44 PM |
#29 |
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How is that germane to the third Geneva convention? |
Fovea |
May-08-09 04:12 PM |
#45 |
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50% support it now because no on stood up against it, its been normalized |
Political Heretic |
May-08-09 07:13 PM |
#91 |
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They also support it because they think the "terrorists" deserve it |
magellan |
May-08-09 11:48 PM |
#101 |
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Back when she was being briefed nobody in those numbers thought that. |
bahrbearian |
May-09-09 09:13 AM |
#120 |
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Bull Shit, and you know it! |
L. Coyote |
May-09-09 12:30 PM |
#135 |
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Huh? I looked it up and it does seem to be |
Bonn1997 |
May-09-09 08:20 PM |
#156 |
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Links? |
L. Coyote |
May-09-09 09:23 PM |
#165 |
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Go to pollingreport.com You'll find all sorts of polls on just about any topic including torture |
Bonn1997 |
May-10-09 12:06 PM |
#168 |
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Links to back up your statement?? |
L. Coyote |
May-11-09 10:36 AM |
#170 |
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so, fuck em. some things you die for and this is one of them. if you |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:12 PM |
#151 |
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Folks really don't 'get' this point. They don't understand the responsibility of knowing... |
Captain Hilts |
May-08-09 12:13 PM |
#3 |
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I believe folks DO get the responsibility of "knowing"... |
MrMickeysMom |
May-08-09 12:57 PM |
#34 |
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One person does not have the right to declassify information. It's that simple. nt |
Captain Hilts |
May-08-09 01:57 PM |
#37 |
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Well, that's true, but it's not what I refer to... |
MrMickeysMom |
May-08-09 02:31 PM |
#39 |
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I understand you now. Thanks. nt |
Captain Hilts |
May-08-09 02:35 PM |
#40 |
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No problemo, Captain! |
MrMickeysMom |
May-08-09 03:08 PM |
#44 |
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even when its criminal? What about the camps bush was supposed to |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:15 PM |
#153 |
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if they had told her that they were putting people into camps and |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:14 PM |
#152 |
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In her shoes, I'd like to think I'd speak out. |
BulletproofLandshark |
May-08-09 12:13 PM |
#5 |
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Here's a suggestion: DON'T LIE ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW IS GOING ON |
Raskolnik |
May-08-09 12:14 PM |
#6 |
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Number 1. |
hobbit709 |
May-08-09 12:14 PM |
#7 |
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What she should have done is not taken Impeachment off the table.... |
LakeSamish706 |
May-08-09 12:15 PM |
#9 |
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She needs to be out in front |
Mz Pip |
May-08-09 12:15 PM |
#10 |
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Entered it into the Congressional Record (ala Pentagon Papers) |
BR_Parkway |
May-08-09 12:15 PM |
#11 |
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If you remember, they DID try to do that, but McCain backed out and they took it out of the bill. |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:17 PM |
#12 |
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the winding road that is John McCain -- his silence since the release of the memo is precious...no? |
Supersedeas |
May-09-09 10:10 PM |
#167 |
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Exactly. |
Luminous Animal |
May-08-09 12:57 PM |
#33 |
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Bingo. |
noamnety |
May-08-09 05:35 PM |
#72 |
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That was my first thought when I read the question. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
May-09-09 11:24 AM |
#125 |
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agreed, BR_Parkway |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:17 PM |
#154 |
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Thank you for this well-thought-out post. n/t |
lamp_shade |
May-08-09 12:17 PM |
#13 |
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Well if she was told then she shouldn't of said she was never "let me repeat" |
JonLP24 |
May-08-09 12:19 PM |
#14 |
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There's a lot she could have done. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
May-08-09 12:20 PM |
#15 |
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Hmm |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:23 PM |
#18 |
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# 2 is really good |
NNN0LHI |
May-08-09 04:39 PM |
#50 |
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and she should have put impeachment on the table. nt |
Mojorabbit |
May-08-09 01:23 PM |
#35 |
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There were already reports of abuse and torture in the Arab press |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 04:20 PM |
#46 |
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Impeach. |
mikelgb |
May-08-09 12:20 PM |
#16 |
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There is a difference between |
Inuca |
May-08-09 12:21 PM |
#17 |
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evil cannot continue without the silence of others. she is evil and if |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:19 PM |
#155 |
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Remember Pentagon Papers? A congressman or senator, can read anything into the Congressional record. |
tritsofme |
May-08-09 12:27 PM |
#19 |
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Now that is a good point. |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:29 PM |
#20 |
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Intelligence information has its own rules. nt |
Captain Hilts |
May-08-09 02:35 PM |
#41 |
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No it doesn't. You simply cannot punish a member of Congress for reading something into the record. |
tritsofme |
May-08-09 06:08 PM |
#77 |
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Yes, it does have special restrictions. Individuals are not permitted to decide to reveal |
Captain Hilts |
May-08-09 08:00 PM |
#92 |
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The executive branch can maintain that the information is restricted. |
tritsofme |
May-08-09 08:33 PM |
#95 |
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none of the above - she didn't do anything because she agreed |
Crabby Appleton |
May-08-09 12:30 PM |
#21 |
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I think this argument is pretty weak. |
Skinner |
May-08-09 12:32 PM |
#22 |
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Well, it does imply that, but as you state, you don't really know. |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:34 PM |
#24 |
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I'd be the last person to throw any of our congressional leadership off the bus. |
Skinner |
May-08-09 12:38 PM |
#26 |
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No, not at all far-fetched. |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:42 PM |
#28 |
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Fair enough. |
Skinner |
May-08-09 12:45 PM |
#30 |
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Oversight without the power (or will) to intervene is not oversight. |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 04:28 PM |
#48 |
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not arguing with you there |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 04:46 PM |
#56 |
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What Pelosi did or didn't do comes down to means and ends. |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 04:54 PM |
#59 |
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she never will because she is culpable. she could face jail herself |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:21 PM |
#157 |
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Yes |
Solly Mack |
May-08-09 05:23 PM |
#68 |
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Yep, it's disgusting. And those of us following this issue who |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 05:32 PM |
#71 |
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Yes |
Solly Mack |
May-08-09 05:36 PM |
#73 |
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either side, anyone, all of them, go to jail. |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:22 PM |
#158 |
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Yep. Perfect summary. There is no other argument. |
Buzz Clik |
May-08-09 12:34 PM |
#23 |
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protest privately |
Enrique |
May-08-09 12:38 PM |
#25 |
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Yes, he did. |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:47 PM |
#31 |
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actually, you can exercise true leadership and blow the lid off. that is |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:24 PM |
#159 |
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1. Speak About It In Public and Risk Being Thrown In Jail |
NashVegas |
May-08-09 01:26 PM |
#36 |
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Or she could have leaked it like a real professional. n/t |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 02:37 PM |
#42 |
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*snort* |
NashVegas |
May-08-09 03:05 PM |
#43 |
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It's possible that she did. |
bottomtheweaver |
May-08-09 04:26 PM |
#47 |
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The story first came out of the Arab press and then it was picked up |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 04:30 PM |
#49 |
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Abu Ghraib? |
bottomtheweaver |
May-08-09 04:40 PM |
#51 |
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The reports of torture at Abu Ghraib started circulating almost immediately |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 04:45 PM |
#54 |
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Okay. But that raises the question of which torture we're talking about, |
bottomtheweaver |
May-08-09 04:51 PM |
#57 |
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I don't see any evidence that "rogues" were responsible for torture |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 04:58 PM |
#60 |
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Yes, of course it was all the same program, |
bottomtheweaver |
May-08-09 05:00 PM |
#62 |
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BushCo started torture almost immediately after 9/11. |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 05:06 PM |
#66 |
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What they did and what they briefed Pelosi on are two different things. |
bottomtheweaver |
May-08-09 05:15 PM |
#67 |
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That's right. The issue of what Pelosi knew is a red herring |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 05:25 PM |
#69 |
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In terms of US Newspeople, Abu Gharib was first uncovered by Mary Mapes, who |
truedelphi |
May-09-09 12:25 AM |
#107 |
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She should have tried to slip a limitation on the funding for that |
JDPriestly |
May-08-09 02:19 PM |
#38 |
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Do you understand how the CIA is funded? |
NNN0LHI |
May-08-09 04:45 PM |
#53 |
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Outrageous. I did not know this. |
JDPriestly |
May-08-09 06:59 PM |
#88 |
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Gotta have that "deniability". |
bemildred |
May-08-09 07:06 PM |
#89 |
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She's supposed to defend the Constitution. |
BuyingThyme |
May-08-09 04:43 PM |
#52 |
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Like in the oath she took. |
walldude |
May-08-09 05:03 PM |
#63 |
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interesting post a DailyKos dealing with this issue: |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 04:45 PM |
#55 |
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Chris Matthews is talking about what she knew right now... |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 04:53 PM |
#58 |
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The Cheney admin had no intention of telling Dems all of what was going on... |
bridgit |
May-08-09 04:59 PM |
#61 |
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Well.... |
Baby Snooks |
May-08-09 05:04 PM |
#64 |
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Maybe she did. |
bottomtheweaver |
May-08-09 05:05 PM |
#65 |
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At that time, it was practically TREASON to even suggest.. |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 05:26 PM |
#70 |
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And that's exactly when the American people need their leaders to stand up. n/t |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 05:38 PM |
#74 |
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Agreed. But the Dems have never been known for their... |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 06:02 PM |
#75 |
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It's a mistake to say Democrats aren't known for their backbone. |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 06:16 PM |
#79 |
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I disagree. |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 06:22 PM |
#81 |
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Yep. Were Franken a Republican, he'd already be sworn in |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 06:24 PM |
#83 |
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You're right. nt |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 06:26 PM |
#84 |
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and that is when you step up. That is when leadership is required. |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:25 PM |
#160 |
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Stand up on the floor of the house and say "Bush is torturing people". |
bemildred |
May-08-09 06:03 PM |
#76 |
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Anyone want to speculate on how long it would have taken... |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 06:12 PM |
#78 |
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So what? |
bemildred |
May-08-09 06:27 PM |
#85 |
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Not true. |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 06:31 PM |
#86 |
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Article I, Section 6: |
bemildred |
May-08-09 06:53 PM |
#87 |
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"except Treason" |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 08:12 PM |
#93 |
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Actually no it doesn't |
TwixVoy |
May-08-09 08:22 PM |
#94 |
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Exactly. |
bemildred |
May-08-09 09:58 PM |
#98 |
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I can read just fine - I disagree with what you think it means and... |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 11:25 PM |
#99 |
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From your Cornell source, further down: |
bemildred |
May-09-09 10:45 AM |
#122 |
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What Is Particularly Cute About That Decision, My Friend |
The Magistrate |
May-09-09 11:32 AM |
#127 |
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I may be wrong, but I think an illegal act cannot be deemed a state secret. |
YankmeCrankme |
May-09-09 12:56 PM |
#137 |
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A State Secret, Sir, is What The State Says It Is |
The Magistrate |
May-09-09 01:53 PM |
#138 |
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I don't think that is correct. Truth2Tell posted info on executive order 12356 |
YankmeCrankme |
May-09-09 09:07 PM |
#164 |
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That is a cute decision, Sir. |
bemildred |
May-09-09 03:39 PM |
#139 |
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And Being Aware Of My Bent Towards The Pragmatic, My Friend |
The Magistrate |
May-09-09 05:30 PM |
#144 |
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Yes Sir. |
bemildred |
May-09-09 05:46 PM |
#145 |
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Have you seen this drivel Sir: |
bemildred |
May-09-09 05:54 PM |
#146 |
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No, Sir, It Had Escaped Me |
The Magistrate |
May-09-09 06:13 PM |
#147 |
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You too Sir. |
bemildred |
May-09-09 06:17 PM |
#148 |
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Always Hated 'To Kill A Mockingbird', Sir.... |
The Magistrate |
May-09-09 06:19 PM |
#149 |
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I'm not a Constitution law expert... |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 11:49 AM |
#128 |
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It is a blanket immunity for speech in the exercise of their legislative duty. |
bemildred |
May-09-09 03:44 PM |
#141 |
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and so we ignore evil because the fuckers might yell about it? Is that |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:27 PM |
#161 |
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If you believe the policy was wrong, then don;t defend Pelosi |
Fading Captain |
May-08-09 06:18 PM |
#80 |
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If you believe the policy was wrong, |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 06:24 PM |
#82 |
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It's not a tactic from the right, it's holding our own party up to standards |
Fading Captain |
May-09-09 12:27 AM |
#108 |
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Anyone who broke the law should be held accountable... |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 01:55 AM |
#116 |
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I agree. In no way, shape or form |
Fading Captain |
May-09-09 10:07 PM |
#166 |
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Whatever it takes. Including speaking out about it. |
Political Heretic |
May-08-09 07:10 PM |
#90 |
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Place the interests of the country above her self-interest. |
Individualist |
May-08-09 08:41 PM |
#96 |
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two things |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-08-09 08:43 PM |
#97 |
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Is there a process by which she would go to the USSC |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 11:33 PM |
#100 |
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Yeah there are ways that she could have gone to the USSC |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-09-09 01:00 AM |
#111 |
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I don't know the answer. |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 02:10 AM |
#117 |
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The answer is honor |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-09-09 05:09 PM |
#143 |
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I think she should have had a big steak dinner, gone home, and taken a warm soothing bath. |
Kablooie |
May-08-09 11:59 PM |
#102 |
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How about... PUT IMPEACHMENT ON THE TABLE |
jgraz |
May-09-09 12:17 AM |
#103 |
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I believe she knew they didn't have the votes. |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 12:22 AM |
#106 |
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You can't pardon your way out of impeachment |
jgraz |
May-09-09 12:42 AM |
#109 |
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You're kidding yourself if you think that's not exactly what... |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 01:06 AM |
#112 |
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Seriously, it's, like, written down and everything |
jgraz |
May-09-09 11:03 AM |
#123 |
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Huh? |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 12:02 PM |
#129 |
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I've been more than patient, but you need to actually *read* posts before you respond. |
jgraz |
May-09-09 12:14 PM |
#132 |
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You're condescending because you can't back up the right-wing... |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 12:26 PM |
#133 |
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I'll let my posts speak for themselves |
jgraz |
May-09-09 12:50 PM |
#136 |
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Abu Gharib n/t |
rucky |
May-09-09 12:21 AM |
#104 |
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I am not a big fan of Pelosi - but I hear you and agree. |
truedelphi |
May-09-09 12:22 AM |
#105 |
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just what she did... |
leftofthedial |
May-09-09 12:43 AM |
#110 |
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By 'briefed' do you mean an 'enhanced briefing'? n/t |
ControlledDemolition |
May-09-09 01:23 AM |
#113 |
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She was supposed to speak up for those individuals who were not as strong, nor as well protected as |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-09-09 01:33 AM |
#114 |
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Sure, but we haven't really gone THERE yet,... |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 01:40 AM |
#115 |
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That is so fucking wrong. Get them all at the same time lest some of them run to |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-09-09 02:20 AM |
#118 |
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I'm sorry, but you're WAY over the top. |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 08:40 AM |
#119 |
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agreed 100%. she isn't a fucking bystander. she is there to LEAD. |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:29 PM |
#162 |
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"Classified" is the last refuge of the scoundrel |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-09-09 10:31 AM |
#121 |
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She is 3rd in line to the Presidency. She is not powerless |
yodoobo |
May-09-09 11:05 AM |
#124 |
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What exactly did she know and what was the right thing? |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 12:12 PM |
#131 |
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we can do two things at once and given that she was supposed to |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:30 PM |
#163 |
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5. Vote AGAINST every lame-ass bill Bush & his pals proposed |
SoCalDem |
May-09-09 11:25 AM |
#126 |
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Stand up for the truth? |
dbt |
May-09-09 12:07 PM |
#130 |
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Speak up. |
LWolf |
May-09-09 03:42 PM |
#140 |
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After reviewing her interview with Rachel Maddow ... |
GeorgeGist |
May-09-09 04:14 PM |
#142 |
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Here is what Congress did. |
JDPriestly |
May-10-09 01:09 PM |
#169 |
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wasn't Dennis Hastert the House majority Leader then? |
bdamomma |
May-11-09 12:14 PM |
#172 |
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