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Fri May-08-09 12:09 PM
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| What was Pelosi supposed to do after she was briefed in 2002? |
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Edited on Fri May-08-09 12:17 PM by jsamuel
The thing out there now is that Pelosi was briefed in 2002 about "enhanced interrogation methods". She says that they did not tell her that it had been done or that it was going to be done. Now, the response from some is "why didn't she do something about it?" Lets look at her options:
1. Speak about it in public (she would be arrested and thrown in jail). (plus as far as she was concerned no war crimes were being committed because they hadn't been implemented)
2. Try to pass a bill in congress to "DOUBLE" ban torture? It was already illegal.
3. Report it to the Bush justice department that approved of the plan.
4. Try to get a Democratic President elected to change the policy.
What are you saying she should have done? And remember, until 2007, she was the House MINORITY Leader.
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| -What was Pelosi supposed to do after she was briefed in 2002? |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:09 PM |
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See this thread: "CIA (Letter) Admits That Info About Torture Briefings For Dems May Not Be Accurate |
emulatorloo |
May-08-09 12:12 PM |
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yeah, it is fishy |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:13 PM |
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"Cheney Sleeper Cells" = didn't Seymour Hersh report something about that? |
emulatorloo |
May-08-09 12:51 PM |
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Anyone who thinks BUSH told Pelosi the truth, while LYING, LYING, LYING, is an idiot! |
L. Coyote |
May-09-09 12:28 PM |
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personally, I would have told. Jail or no, I would have told and since |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:10 PM |
#150 |
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of course, the repigs are targeting her, I don't hear much talk |
bdamomma |
May-11-09 10:39 AM |
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That would be Number One. |
Fovea |
May-08-09 12:13 PM |
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You realize that over 50% of the American public supports torture NOW, let alone what they suppored |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:14 PM |
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Great Isn't It??? |
atreides1 |
May-08-09 12:40 PM |
#27 |
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amazingly, yes |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:44 PM |
#29 |
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How is that germane to the third Geneva convention? |
Fovea |
May-08-09 04:12 PM |
#45 |
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50% support it now because no on stood up against it, its been normalized |
Political Heretic |
May-08-09 07:13 PM |
#91 |
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They also support it because they think the "terrorists" deserve it |
magellan |
May-08-09 11:48 PM |
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Back when she was being briefed nobody in those numbers thought that. |
bahrbearian |
May-09-09 09:13 AM |
#120 |
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Bull Shit, and you know it! |
L. Coyote |
May-09-09 12:30 PM |
#135 |
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Huh? I looked it up and it does seem to be |
Bonn1997 |
May-09-09 08:20 PM |
#156 |
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Links? |
L. Coyote |
May-09-09 09:23 PM |
#165 |
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Go to pollingreport.com You'll find all sorts of polls on just about any topic including torture |
Bonn1997 |
May-10-09 12:06 PM |
#168 |
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Links to back up your statement?? |
L. Coyote |
May-11-09 10:36 AM |
#170 |
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so, fuck em. some things you die for and this is one of them. if you |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:12 PM |
#151 |
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Folks really don't 'get' this point. They don't understand the responsibility of knowing... |
Captain Hilts |
May-08-09 12:13 PM |
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I believe folks DO get the responsibility of "knowing"... |
MrMickeysMom |
May-08-09 12:57 PM |
#34 |
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One person does not have the right to declassify information. It's that simple. nt |
Captain Hilts |
May-08-09 01:57 PM |
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Well, that's true, but it's not what I refer to... |
MrMickeysMom |
May-08-09 02:31 PM |
#39 |
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I understand you now. Thanks. nt |
Captain Hilts |
May-08-09 02:35 PM |
#40 |
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No problemo, Captain! |
MrMickeysMom |
May-08-09 03:08 PM |
#44 |
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even when its criminal? What about the camps bush was supposed to |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:15 PM |
#153 |
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if they had told her that they were putting people into camps and |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:14 PM |
#152 |
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In her shoes, I'd like to think I'd speak out. |
BulletproofLandshark |
May-08-09 12:13 PM |
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Here's a suggestion: DON'T LIE ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW IS GOING ON |
Raskolnik |
May-08-09 12:14 PM |
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Number 1. |
hobbit709 |
May-08-09 12:14 PM |
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What she should have done is not taken Impeachment off the table.... |
LakeSamish706 |
May-08-09 12:15 PM |
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She needs to be out in front |
Mz Pip |
May-08-09 12:15 PM |
#10 |
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Entered it into the Congressional Record (ala Pentagon Papers) |
BR_Parkway |
May-08-09 12:15 PM |
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If you remember, they DID try to do that, but McCain backed out and they took it out of the bill. |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:17 PM |
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the winding road that is John McCain -- his silence since the release of the memo is precious...no? |
Supersedeas |
May-09-09 10:10 PM |
#167 |
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Exactly. |
Luminous Animal |
May-08-09 12:57 PM |
#33 |
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Bingo. |
noamnety |
May-08-09 05:35 PM |
#72 |
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That was my first thought when I read the question. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
May-09-09 11:24 AM |
#125 |
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agreed, BR_Parkway |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:17 PM |
#154 |
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Thank you for this well-thought-out post. n/t |
lamp_shade |
May-08-09 12:17 PM |
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Well if she was told then she shouldn't of said she was never "let me repeat" |
JonLP24 |
May-08-09 12:19 PM |
#14 |
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There's a lot she could have done. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
May-08-09 12:20 PM |
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Hmm |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:23 PM |
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# 2 is really good |
NNN0LHI |
May-08-09 04:39 PM |
#50 |
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and she should have put impeachment on the table. nt |
Mojorabbit |
May-08-09 01:23 PM |
#35 |
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There were already reports of abuse and torture in the Arab press |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 04:20 PM |
#46 |
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Impeach. |
mikelgb |
May-08-09 12:20 PM |
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There is a difference between |
Inuca |
May-08-09 12:21 PM |
#17 |
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evil cannot continue without the silence of others. she is evil and if |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:19 PM |
#155 |
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Remember Pentagon Papers? A congressman or senator, can read anything into the Congressional record. |
tritsofme |
May-08-09 12:27 PM |
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Now that is a good point. |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:29 PM |
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Intelligence information has its own rules. nt |
Captain Hilts |
May-08-09 02:35 PM |
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No it doesn't. You simply cannot punish a member of Congress for reading something into the record. |
tritsofme |
May-08-09 06:08 PM |
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Yes, it does have special restrictions. Individuals are not permitted to decide to reveal |
Captain Hilts |
May-08-09 08:00 PM |
#92 |
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The executive branch can maintain that the information is restricted. |
tritsofme |
May-08-09 08:33 PM |
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none of the above - she didn't do anything because she agreed |
Crabby Appleton |
May-08-09 12:30 PM |
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I think this argument is pretty weak. |
Skinner |
May-08-09 12:32 PM |
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Well, it does imply that, but as you state, you don't really know. |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:34 PM |
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I'd be the last person to throw any of our congressional leadership off the bus. |
Skinner |
May-08-09 12:38 PM |
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No, not at all far-fetched. |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:42 PM |
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Fair enough. |
Skinner |
May-08-09 12:45 PM |
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Oversight without the power (or will) to intervene is not oversight. |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 04:28 PM |
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not arguing with you there |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 04:46 PM |
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What Pelosi did or didn't do comes down to means and ends. |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 04:54 PM |
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she never will because she is culpable. she could face jail herself |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:21 PM |
#157 |
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Yes |
Solly Mack |
May-08-09 05:23 PM |
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Yep, it's disgusting. And those of us following this issue who |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 05:32 PM |
#71 |
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Yes |
Solly Mack |
May-08-09 05:36 PM |
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either side, anyone, all of them, go to jail. |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:22 PM |
#158 |
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Yep. Perfect summary. There is no other argument. |
Buzz Clik |
May-08-09 12:34 PM |
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protest privately |
Enrique |
May-08-09 12:38 PM |
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Yes, he did. |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 12:47 PM |
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actually, you can exercise true leadership and blow the lid off. that is |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:24 PM |
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1. Speak About It In Public and Risk Being Thrown In Jail |
NashVegas |
May-08-09 01:26 PM |
#36 |
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Or she could have leaked it like a real professional. n/t |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 02:37 PM |
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*snort* |
NashVegas |
May-08-09 03:05 PM |
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It's possible that she did. |
bottomtheweaver |
May-08-09 04:26 PM |
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The story first came out of the Arab press and then it was picked up |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 04:30 PM |
#49 |
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Abu Ghraib? |
bottomtheweaver |
May-08-09 04:40 PM |
#51 |
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The reports of torture at Abu Ghraib started circulating almost immediately |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 04:45 PM |
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Okay. But that raises the question of which torture we're talking about, |
bottomtheweaver |
May-08-09 04:51 PM |
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I don't see any evidence that "rogues" were responsible for torture |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 04:58 PM |
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Yes, of course it was all the same program, |
bottomtheweaver |
May-08-09 05:00 PM |
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BushCo started torture almost immediately after 9/11. |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 05:06 PM |
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What they did and what they briefed Pelosi on are two different things. |
bottomtheweaver |
May-08-09 05:15 PM |
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That's right. The issue of what Pelosi knew is a red herring |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 05:25 PM |
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In terms of US Newspeople, Abu Gharib was first uncovered by Mary Mapes, who |
truedelphi |
May-09-09 12:25 AM |
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She should have tried to slip a limitation on the funding for that |
JDPriestly |
May-08-09 02:19 PM |
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Do you understand how the CIA is funded? |
NNN0LHI |
May-08-09 04:45 PM |
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Outrageous. I did not know this. |
JDPriestly |
May-08-09 06:59 PM |
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Gotta have that "deniability". |
bemildred |
May-08-09 07:06 PM |
#89 |
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She's supposed to defend the Constitution. |
BuyingThyme |
May-08-09 04:43 PM |
#52 |
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Like in the oath she took. |
walldude |
May-08-09 05:03 PM |
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interesting post a DailyKos dealing with this issue: |
jsamuel |
May-08-09 04:45 PM |
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Chris Matthews is talking about what she knew right now... |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 04:53 PM |
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The Cheney admin had no intention of telling Dems all of what was going on... |
bridgit |
May-08-09 04:59 PM |
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Well.... |
Baby Snooks |
May-08-09 05:04 PM |
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Maybe she did. |
bottomtheweaver |
May-08-09 05:05 PM |
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At that time, it was practically TREASON to even suggest.. |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 05:26 PM |
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And that's exactly when the American people need their leaders to stand up. n/t |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 05:38 PM |
#74 |
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Agreed. But the Dems have never been known for their... |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 06:02 PM |
#75 |
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It's a mistake to say Democrats aren't known for their backbone. |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 06:16 PM |
#79 |
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I disagree. |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 06:22 PM |
#81 |
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Yep. Were Franken a Republican, he'd already be sworn in |
EFerrari |
May-08-09 06:24 PM |
#83 |
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You're right. nt |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 06:26 PM |
#84 |
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and that is when you step up. That is when leadership is required. |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:25 PM |
#160 |
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Stand up on the floor of the house and say "Bush is torturing people". |
bemildred |
May-08-09 06:03 PM |
#76 |
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Anyone want to speculate on how long it would have taken... |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 06:12 PM |
#78 |
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So what? |
bemildred |
May-08-09 06:27 PM |
#85 |
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Not true. |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 06:31 PM |
#86 |
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Article I, Section 6: |
bemildred |
May-08-09 06:53 PM |
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"except Treason" |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 08:12 PM |
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Actually no it doesn't |
TwixVoy |
May-08-09 08:22 PM |
#94 |
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Exactly. |
bemildred |
May-08-09 09:58 PM |
#98 |
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I can read just fine - I disagree with what you think it means and... |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 11:25 PM |
#99 |
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From your Cornell source, further down: |
bemildred |
May-09-09 10:45 AM |
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What Is Particularly Cute About That Decision, My Friend |
The Magistrate |
May-09-09 11:32 AM |
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I may be wrong, but I think an illegal act cannot be deemed a state secret. |
YankmeCrankme |
May-09-09 12:56 PM |
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A State Secret, Sir, is What The State Says It Is |
The Magistrate |
May-09-09 01:53 PM |
#138 |
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I don't think that is correct. Truth2Tell posted info on executive order 12356 |
YankmeCrankme |
May-09-09 09:07 PM |
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That is a cute decision, Sir. |
bemildred |
May-09-09 03:39 PM |
#139 |
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And Being Aware Of My Bent Towards The Pragmatic, My Friend |
The Magistrate |
May-09-09 05:30 PM |
#144 |
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Yes Sir. |
bemildred |
May-09-09 05:46 PM |
#145 |
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Have you seen this drivel Sir: |
bemildred |
May-09-09 05:54 PM |
#146 |
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No, Sir, It Had Escaped Me |
The Magistrate |
May-09-09 06:13 PM |
#147 |
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You too Sir. |
bemildred |
May-09-09 06:17 PM |
#148 |
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Always Hated 'To Kill A Mockingbird', Sir.... |
The Magistrate |
May-09-09 06:19 PM |
#149 |
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I'm not a Constitution law expert... |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 11:49 AM |
#128 |
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It is a blanket immunity for speech in the exercise of their legislative duty. |
bemildred |
May-09-09 03:44 PM |
#141 |
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and so we ignore evil because the fuckers might yell about it? Is that |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:27 PM |
#161 |
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If you believe the policy was wrong, then don;t defend Pelosi |
Fading Captain |
May-08-09 06:18 PM |
#80 |
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If you believe the policy was wrong, |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 06:24 PM |
#82 |
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It's not a tactic from the right, it's holding our own party up to standards |
Fading Captain |
May-09-09 12:27 AM |
#108 |
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Anyone who broke the law should be held accountable... |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 01:55 AM |
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I agree. In no way, shape or form |
Fading Captain |
May-09-09 10:07 PM |
#166 |
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Whatever it takes. Including speaking out about it. |
Political Heretic |
May-08-09 07:10 PM |
#90 |
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Place the interests of the country above her self-interest. |
Individualist |
May-08-09 08:41 PM |
#96 |
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two things |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-08-09 08:43 PM |
#97 |
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Is there a process by which she would go to the USSC |
OHDEM |
May-08-09 11:33 PM |
#100 |
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Yeah there are ways that she could have gone to the USSC |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-09-09 01:00 AM |
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I don't know the answer. |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 02:10 AM |
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The answer is honor |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-09-09 05:09 PM |
#143 |
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I think she should have had a big steak dinner, gone home, and taken a warm soothing bath. |
Kablooie |
May-08-09 11:59 PM |
#102 |
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How about... PUT IMPEACHMENT ON THE TABLE |
jgraz |
May-09-09 12:17 AM |
#103 |
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I believe she knew they didn't have the votes. |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 12:22 AM |
#106 |
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You can't pardon your way out of impeachment |
jgraz |
May-09-09 12:42 AM |
#109 |
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You're kidding yourself if you think that's not exactly what... |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 01:06 AM |
#112 |
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Seriously, it's, like, written down and everything |
jgraz |
May-09-09 11:03 AM |
#123 |
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Huh? |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 12:02 PM |
#129 |
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I've been more than patient, but you need to actually *read* posts before you respond. |
jgraz |
May-09-09 12:14 PM |
#132 |
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You're condescending because you can't back up the right-wing... |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 12:26 PM |
#133 |
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I'll let my posts speak for themselves |
jgraz |
May-09-09 12:50 PM |
#136 |
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Abu Gharib n/t |
rucky |
May-09-09 12:21 AM |
#104 |
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I am not a big fan of Pelosi - but I hear you and agree. |
truedelphi |
May-09-09 12:22 AM |
#105 |
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just what she did... |
leftofthedial |
May-09-09 12:43 AM |
#110 |
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By 'briefed' do you mean an 'enhanced briefing'? n/t |
ControlledDemolition |
May-09-09 01:23 AM |
#113 |
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She was supposed to speak up for those individuals who were not as strong, nor as well protected as |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-09-09 01:33 AM |
#114 |
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Sure, but we haven't really gone THERE yet,... |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 01:40 AM |
#115 |
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That is so fucking wrong. Get them all at the same time lest some of them run to |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-09-09 02:20 AM |
#118 |
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I'm sorry, but you're WAY over the top. |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 08:40 AM |
#119 |
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agreed 100%. she isn't a fucking bystander. she is there to LEAD. |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:29 PM |
#162 |
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"Classified" is the last refuge of the scoundrel |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-09-09 10:31 AM |
#121 |
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She is 3rd in line to the Presidency. She is not powerless |
yodoobo |
May-09-09 11:05 AM |
#124 |
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What exactly did she know and what was the right thing? |
OHDEM |
May-09-09 12:12 PM |
#131 |
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we can do two things at once and given that she was supposed to |
roguevalley |
May-09-09 08:30 PM |
#163 |
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5. Vote AGAINST every lame-ass bill Bush & his pals proposed |
SoCalDem |
May-09-09 11:25 AM |
#126 |
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Stand up for the truth? |
dbt |
May-09-09 12:07 PM |
#130 |
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Speak up. |
LWolf |
May-09-09 03:42 PM |
#140 |
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After reviewing her interview with Rachel Maddow ... |
GeorgeGist |
May-09-09 04:14 PM |
#142 |
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Here is what Congress did. |
JDPriestly |
May-10-09 01:09 PM |
#169 |
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wasn't Dennis Hastert the House majority Leader then? |
bdamomma |
May-11-09 12:14 PM |
#172 |
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