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Mon Apr-02-07 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #33 |
| 48. There's no questioning his heroism, imho |
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I think it took its toll. As much as I uphold him for his heroism, I fear for him. His pal W is using him for sure. I liked him better as an old school Republican. He is too good for these neo-cons.
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| -Why is Mc Cain a hero... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 04:53 PM |
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Former Navy Pilot who spent 6 years as a POW... |
driver8 |
Apr-02-07 04:55 PM |
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What he endured was FUCKING heroic, indeed. Too bad he blew it by rolling over |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 04:59 PM |
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Well said. Sad to see him fritter it all away |
Kagemusha |
Apr-02-07 05:03 PM |
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Yes it is, but I can tell you from experience that when the factor of age is applied, |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:10 PM |
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We were young once...nt |
Javaman |
Apr-04-07 01:19 PM |
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I agree -- Shrub screwed him over and he took it and went back for more. |
driver8 |
Apr-03-07 01:18 AM |
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He was taken as a prisoner once? |
htuttle |
Apr-02-07 04:55 PM |
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During Vietnam. |
Tiggeroshii |
Apr-03-07 05:38 AM |
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vietnam POW |
maxsolomon |
Apr-02-07 04:55 PM |
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It's more than his six years as a POW. He was offered an early |
Ilsa |
Apr-02-07 04:57 PM |
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Thanks for mentioning that part. He did well, indeed. Until he lost the primary. |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:01 PM |
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OK, that is a bit heroic |
tkmorris |
Apr-02-07 05:13 PM |
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It's actually true, and it was heroic even by your standards. |
Geoff R. Casavant |
Apr-02-07 05:37 PM |
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Returning to the OP, though, "is" is not the right verb. |
Orsino |
Apr-02-07 06:30 PM |
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Right. "Was" is a better word |
gilpo |
Apr-04-07 01:11 PM |
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It is true. This isn't "their" noise. This has been known for decades. |
Ilsa |
Apr-02-07 06:49 PM |
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If I'm not mistaken, |
Wilber_Stool |
Apr-02-07 06:55 PM |
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His father was not just any Admiral |
mduffy31 |
Apr-04-07 03:11 PM |
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Frankly he is a hero |
Pawel K |
Apr-02-07 04:58 PM |
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What did he do that was heroic? |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:04 PM |
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Read the posts here again |
Pawel K |
Apr-02-07 05:07 PM |
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Did he do any fighting? |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:08 PM |
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Of course he did |
Pawel K |
Apr-02-07 05:10 PM |
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All I did was ask the question.. |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:11 PM |
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Uh, yes, he did. Got shot down, and landed in a pond with a whole bunch of people |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:13 PM |
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I'm am not arguing... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:15 PM |
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The way he acted during his captivity gave his that status, for me. I even registered |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:17 PM |
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Did I say anything about ... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:20 PM |
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I think he's angry (or annoyed) because you asked the original question and |
driver8 |
Apr-03-07 01:23 AM |
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I guess it goes back to what the meaning of is Is... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-03-07 06:20 PM |
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Hear, hear! |
Geoff R. Casavant |
Apr-02-07 05:39 PM |
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I also voted for him in the primaries in 2000... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:43 PM |
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There's no questioning his heroism, imho |
Juniperx |
Apr-02-07 05:53 PM |
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Ever made a night trap on a carrier deck? |
11 Bravo |
Apr-02-07 05:17 PM |
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Not by some on this board... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:21 PM |
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I did ONE during the DAY as a passenger in an F-4 once, and that was MORE |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:28 PM |
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He cooperated with the North Vietnamese and signed a confession of war crimes |
Toots |
Apr-03-07 08:23 AM |
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McCain ran against Bush in 2004? |
Bronyraurus |
Apr-04-07 03:04 PM |
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He kept the faith and refused early release. |
11 Bravo |
Apr-02-07 05:12 PM |
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He did what ANY living organism would have done.. Tried his best to not die. |
SoCalDem |
Apr-02-07 04:59 PM |
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On the contrary... |
ljm2002 |
Apr-02-07 05:02 PM |
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There is that one redeeming fact, but remember how disappointed his Dad would have been in him |
SoCalDem |
Apr-02-07 05:07 PM |
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You're being an ass |
Pawel K |
Apr-02-07 05:09 PM |
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Um... I voted for McCain in our primary.. I just don't think he's a "hero" |
SoCalDem |
Apr-02-07 05:14 PM |
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Maybe he'd be able to use his arms |
Bronyraurus |
Apr-04-07 03:07 PM |
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"these things get amplified" |
ljm2002 |
Apr-02-07 05:17 PM |
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Well, I've never been held POW with a broken leg and had several |
lectrobyte |
Apr-03-07 08:00 AM |
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It is still heroic |
karynnj |
Apr-03-07 08:35 AM |
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Yes..courage.. I agree with that:) |
SoCalDem |
Apr-03-07 08:47 AM |
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I feel badly that he's put himself in this position |
Juniperx |
Apr-02-07 05:41 PM |
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Uh, excuse me, but I actually AM "a neighbor who rushed into a burning home," and I still |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:15 PM |
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Red, I never said i did not respect what he did. I just don't |
SoCalDem |
Apr-02-07 05:18 PM |
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OK, point well-taken. No anger here; I just wanted to point out that he could |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:27 PM |
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I'd say even a fireman rushing into burnign home to save someone is heroic |
electron_blue |
Apr-04-07 12:41 PM |
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according to the Bush campaign in 2000, absolutely nothing |
ComerPerro |
Apr-02-07 05:00 PM |
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Before he was taken prisoner, he was throwing bombs on people's heads. nt |
thereismore |
Apr-02-07 05:05 PM |
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I was just gonna say that. Could you blame the VC for making him a POW? |
tblue |
Apr-02-07 05:11 PM |
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I can blame them, yes. |
spoony |
Apr-03-07 06:32 AM |
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There's no crime in holding in custody the people who are bombing you. Torture, on the other hand, |
tblue |
Apr-03-07 07:43 PM |
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You think the N.Vietnamese didn't torture people? |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 12:27 PM |
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You think the US didn't torture the Vietnamese????? |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 12:33 PM |
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How does that make what happened to McCain okay? |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 12:51 PM |
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I keep forgetting that everyone is bad but we're good... |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:02 PM |
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Whose posts are you reading? |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 01:11 PM |
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My argument is that John McCain is not a hero. |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:15 PM |
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Yes and you've made it so convincingly |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 01:20 PM |
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Okay, let's hear what is so heroic about him? |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:32 PM |
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Ah yes, more of your time machine |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 01:40 PM |
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Hmm, funny I always though heroes saved lives... |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:46 PM |
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Grand, become what you hate. |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 01:54 PM |
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Make shit up much? |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:56 PM |
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Make what up? Your words condemn you. |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 02:00 PM |
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The difference is that Kerry deserved his medals and McCain is really a pussy. |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 02:01 PM |
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I can't do anything but laugh at you at this point. |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 02:09 PM |
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No problem - I don't take you seriously either. |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 02:11 PM |
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Uh, McCain and Kerry both served in the same war ... |
dbaker41 |
Apr-04-07 02:25 PM |
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I'm not making any logical arguments, I'm simply making blanket statements to annoy people |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 03:33 PM |
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It's working. |
dbaker41 |
Apr-04-07 03:35 PM |
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I'm glad to hear that. You want to know why? |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 03:52 PM |
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Well he is a hero! That's what hero's do. Blow people to smithereens! |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:57 PM |
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any person that has seen the damage war causes |
onethatcares |
Apr-02-07 05:08 PM |
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You are so right. |
bigwillq |
Apr-02-07 05:44 PM |
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Have you seen it first-hand? Just curious; I have, and I agree 100% with you. |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 06:11 PM |
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War is better kept theroetical |
krispos42 |
Apr-04-07 01:33 PM |
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At one time he was an honored war vet, like Colon Powell. Yet he |
Rex |
Apr-02-07 05:14 PM |
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Read about McCain's experience in Vietnam below. He is a real hero. |
jody |
Apr-02-07 05:14 PM |
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Hero or Zero? |
The_Casual_Observer |
Apr-02-07 05:25 PM |
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I'm empathetic to his heroics |
Juniperx |
Apr-02-07 05:37 PM |
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like? |
SoCalDem |
Apr-02-07 05:39 PM |
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Oh, yeah... that's scary |
Juniperx |
Apr-02-07 05:49 PM |
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He's a maverick... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:58 PM |
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McLame was a hero. Now he is pathetic. |
Disturbed |
Apr-02-07 06:27 PM |
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I really do feel sorry for him |
nevergiveup |
Apr-02-07 06:16 PM |
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He's done enough... he needs to take care of himself now |
Juniperx |
Apr-02-07 06:25 PM |
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Funny how our lurking pissants are so selective in their copying of messages...and yes, that's |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 06:21 PM |
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We know .... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 07:49 PM |
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Ah, so you've noticed my message. BC, in particular, check the post history about the time |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 10:05 PM |
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He sold his soul to Bush |
marlakay |
Apr-02-07 06:24 PM |
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I think what we're really arguing about here is the definition of "hero" |
Poiuyt |
Apr-02-07 06:36 PM |
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Thank You... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-03-07 06:22 PM |
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I'd say climbing in the cockpit of a fighter jet to fly combat missions qualifies |
dbaker41 |
Apr-04-07 02:32 PM |
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He lost any credibility as a POW war hero... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 06:51 PM |
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McCain was gonna blow up a powerplant before he was caught. |
IChing |
Apr-02-07 07:01 PM |
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Everything a "hero" does is NOT heroic, all their time is not "hero time" |
uppityperson |
Apr-02-07 07:07 PM |
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Yes, you can, and yes, you are indeed. Well-summarized. |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 10:19 PM |
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It's very easy to sit |
Katzenkavalier |
Apr-02-07 10:28 PM |
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We know ... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-03-07 06:27 PM |
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I'm sure the Vietnamese consider him a great hero, for |
Gabi Hayes |
Apr-02-07 10:31 PM |
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McCain was a war hero but he has a history of screwing things up for himself |
Jennicut |
Apr-02-07 11:04 PM |
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Let's not Swiftboat McCain.... |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-02-07 10:44 PM |
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He's a POW who now turns his back on other POWs & Vets! |
AZBlue |
Apr-02-07 11:26 PM |
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He is a hero because he hurts the refucklican party every time he opens his big, fat mouth. |
Swamp Rat |
Apr-03-07 01:28 AM |
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He murdered innocents for the sake of global capitalism. That makes him a hero |
ConsAreLiars |
Apr-03-07 02:06 AM |
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By your lights |
cali |
Apr-03-07 08:09 AM |
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Hindsight is always 20-20, didn't you know that? |
dbaker41 |
Apr-04-07 02:36 PM |
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I was alive. I was a toddler but I was alive. Vietnam was still a waste of time, money and lives... |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 03:56 PM |
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You have the benefit of hindsight we didn't have in the 60s. |
dbaker41 |
Apr-04-07 04:09 PM |
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What I'm doing may not be right but at least I'm not being paying BIG $$$$ to do it. |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 04:24 PM |
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McCain ws a hero back in the Nam era - today he's a Bushbot... |
Imagevision |
Apr-03-07 02:14 AM |
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That was then, this is now |
WilliamPitt |
Apr-03-07 02:18 AM |
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He walked the streets of Baghdad without body armour! |
B Calm |
Apr-03-07 05:14 AM |
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That's not true. He wore body armor and had 100+ US soldiers as bodyguards for his photo-op. (nt) |
w4rma |
Apr-03-07 06:40 AM |
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He wore a flak jacket. |
The Lost Patriot |
Apr-03-07 06:46 AM |
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He is definitely worthy of the title "hero". Unfortunately, the last time he was heroic was long ago |
w4rma |
Apr-03-07 06:38 AM |
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The heroic part was not the captivity issue... |
The Lost Patriot |
Apr-03-07 06:42 AM |
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I can't even believe this is a question. He survived the ultimate |
wienerdoggie |
Apr-03-07 07:04 PM |
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for similar reasons as why Kerry is, but don't expect to |
treestar |
Apr-03-07 06:48 AM |
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I barely see people here acknowledge it. n/t |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 01:21 PM |
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McCain ....Lindbergh |
Malikshah |
Apr-03-07 08:06 AM |
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I have diabetes--I'm NOT diabetic. Yes, it's relevant here. |
blondeatlast |
Apr-03-07 09:09 AM |
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What's so heroic about having your plane shot down? |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 12:38 PM |
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He worked with JOHN KERRY on restoring relations with Vietnam |
LSK |
Apr-04-07 01:22 PM |
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Then sat back and did nothing when the Swiftboat liars pissed all over Kerry |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:33 PM |
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He served in Nam... enough for me |
mdmc |
Apr-04-07 01:27 PM |
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He's a war hero, but politically, he is a coward |
wicket |
Apr-04-07 01:34 PM |
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Duke Cunningham is a hero too. |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:59 PM |
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