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Mon Apr-02-07 05:13 PM
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| 25. OK, that is a bit heroic |
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If it's actually true. Not that I doubt you per se, but so much of their noise turns out to be false.
I want to add that simply being a POW does not make anyone a hero. A hero to me is someone who takes great personal risk to benefit others. While it could be argued that anyone who served in Vietnam fits that description (I wouldn't agree), having been a POW there does not meet the standard. Former POW's deserve our sympathy and respect for surviving it but it isn't heroic.
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| -Why is Mc Cain a hero... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 04:53 PM |
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Former Navy Pilot who spent 6 years as a POW... |
driver8 |
Apr-02-07 04:55 PM |
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What he endured was FUCKING heroic, indeed. Too bad he blew it by rolling over |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 04:59 PM |
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Well said. Sad to see him fritter it all away |
Kagemusha |
Apr-02-07 05:03 PM |
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Yes it is, but I can tell you from experience that when the factor of age is applied, |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:10 PM |
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We were young once...nt |
Javaman |
Apr-04-07 01:19 PM |
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I agree -- Shrub screwed him over and he took it and went back for more. |
driver8 |
Apr-03-07 01:18 AM |
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He was taken as a prisoner once? |
htuttle |
Apr-02-07 04:55 PM |
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During Vietnam. |
Tiggeroshii |
Apr-03-07 05:38 AM |
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vietnam POW |
maxsolomon |
Apr-02-07 04:55 PM |
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It's more than his six years as a POW. He was offered an early |
Ilsa |
Apr-02-07 04:57 PM |
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Thanks for mentioning that part. He did well, indeed. Until he lost the primary. |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:01 PM |
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OK, that is a bit heroic |
tkmorris |
Apr-02-07 05:13 PM |
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It's actually true, and it was heroic even by your standards. |
Geoff R. Casavant |
Apr-02-07 05:37 PM |
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Returning to the OP, though, "is" is not the right verb. |
Orsino |
Apr-02-07 06:30 PM |
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Right. "Was" is a better word |
gilpo |
Apr-04-07 01:11 PM |
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It is true. This isn't "their" noise. This has been known for decades. |
Ilsa |
Apr-02-07 06:49 PM |
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If I'm not mistaken, |
Wilber_Stool |
Apr-02-07 06:55 PM |
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His father was not just any Admiral |
mduffy31 |
Apr-04-07 03:11 PM |
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Frankly he is a hero |
Pawel K |
Apr-02-07 04:58 PM |
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What did he do that was heroic? |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:04 PM |
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Read the posts here again |
Pawel K |
Apr-02-07 05:07 PM |
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Did he do any fighting? |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:08 PM |
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Of course he did |
Pawel K |
Apr-02-07 05:10 PM |
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All I did was ask the question.. |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:11 PM |
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Uh, yes, he did. Got shot down, and landed in a pond with a whole bunch of people |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:13 PM |
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I'm am not arguing... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:15 PM |
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The way he acted during his captivity gave his that status, for me. I even registered |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:17 PM |
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Did I say anything about ... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:20 PM |
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I think he's angry (or annoyed) because you asked the original question and |
driver8 |
Apr-03-07 01:23 AM |
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I guess it goes back to what the meaning of is Is... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-03-07 06:20 PM |
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Hear, hear! |
Geoff R. Casavant |
Apr-02-07 05:39 PM |
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I also voted for him in the primaries in 2000... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:43 PM |
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There's no questioning his heroism, imho |
Juniperx |
Apr-02-07 05:53 PM |
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Ever made a night trap on a carrier deck? |
11 Bravo |
Apr-02-07 05:17 PM |
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Not by some on this board... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:21 PM |
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I did ONE during the DAY as a passenger in an F-4 once, and that was MORE |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:28 PM |
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He cooperated with the North Vietnamese and signed a confession of war crimes |
Toots |
Apr-03-07 08:23 AM |
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McCain ran against Bush in 2004? |
Bronyraurus |
Apr-04-07 03:04 PM |
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He kept the faith and refused early release. |
11 Bravo |
Apr-02-07 05:12 PM |
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He did what ANY living organism would have done.. Tried his best to not die. |
SoCalDem |
Apr-02-07 04:59 PM |
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On the contrary... |
ljm2002 |
Apr-02-07 05:02 PM |
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There is that one redeeming fact, but remember how disappointed his Dad would have been in him |
SoCalDem |
Apr-02-07 05:07 PM |
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You're being an ass |
Pawel K |
Apr-02-07 05:09 PM |
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Um... I voted for McCain in our primary.. I just don't think he's a "hero" |
SoCalDem |
Apr-02-07 05:14 PM |
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Maybe he'd be able to use his arms |
Bronyraurus |
Apr-04-07 03:07 PM |
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"these things get amplified" |
ljm2002 |
Apr-02-07 05:17 PM |
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Well, I've never been held POW with a broken leg and had several |
lectrobyte |
Apr-03-07 08:00 AM |
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It is still heroic |
karynnj |
Apr-03-07 08:35 AM |
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Yes..courage.. I agree with that:) |
SoCalDem |
Apr-03-07 08:47 AM |
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I feel badly that he's put himself in this position |
Juniperx |
Apr-02-07 05:41 PM |
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Uh, excuse me, but I actually AM "a neighbor who rushed into a burning home," and I still |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:15 PM |
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Red, I never said i did not respect what he did. I just don't |
SoCalDem |
Apr-02-07 05:18 PM |
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OK, point well-taken. No anger here; I just wanted to point out that he could |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 05:27 PM |
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I'd say even a fireman rushing into burnign home to save someone is heroic |
electron_blue |
Apr-04-07 12:41 PM |
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according to the Bush campaign in 2000, absolutely nothing |
ComerPerro |
Apr-02-07 05:00 PM |
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Before he was taken prisoner, he was throwing bombs on people's heads. nt |
thereismore |
Apr-02-07 05:05 PM |
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I was just gonna say that. Could you blame the VC for making him a POW? |
tblue |
Apr-02-07 05:11 PM |
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I can blame them, yes. |
spoony |
Apr-03-07 06:32 AM |
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There's no crime in holding in custody the people who are bombing you. Torture, on the other hand, |
tblue |
Apr-03-07 07:43 PM |
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You think the N.Vietnamese didn't torture people? |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 12:27 PM |
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You think the US didn't torture the Vietnamese????? |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 12:33 PM |
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How does that make what happened to McCain okay? |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 12:51 PM |
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I keep forgetting that everyone is bad but we're good... |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:02 PM |
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Whose posts are you reading? |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 01:11 PM |
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My argument is that John McCain is not a hero. |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:15 PM |
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Yes and you've made it so convincingly |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 01:20 PM |
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Okay, let's hear what is so heroic about him? |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:32 PM |
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Ah yes, more of your time machine |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 01:40 PM |
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Hmm, funny I always though heroes saved lives... |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:46 PM |
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Grand, become what you hate. |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 01:54 PM |
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Make shit up much? |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:56 PM |
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Make what up? Your words condemn you. |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 02:00 PM |
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The difference is that Kerry deserved his medals and McCain is really a pussy. |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 02:01 PM |
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I can't do anything but laugh at you at this point. |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 02:09 PM |
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No problem - I don't take you seriously either. |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 02:11 PM |
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Uh, McCain and Kerry both served in the same war ... |
dbaker41 |
Apr-04-07 02:25 PM |
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I'm not making any logical arguments, I'm simply making blanket statements to annoy people |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 03:33 PM |
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It's working. |
dbaker41 |
Apr-04-07 03:35 PM |
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I'm glad to hear that. You want to know why? |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 03:52 PM |
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Well he is a hero! That's what hero's do. Blow people to smithereens! |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:57 PM |
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any person that has seen the damage war causes |
onethatcares |
Apr-02-07 05:08 PM |
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You are so right. |
bigwillq |
Apr-02-07 05:44 PM |
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Have you seen it first-hand? Just curious; I have, and I agree 100% with you. |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 06:11 PM |
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War is better kept theroetical |
krispos42 |
Apr-04-07 01:33 PM |
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At one time he was an honored war vet, like Colon Powell. Yet he |
Rex |
Apr-02-07 05:14 PM |
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Read about McCain's experience in Vietnam below. He is a real hero. |
jody |
Apr-02-07 05:14 PM |
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Hero or Zero? |
The_Casual_Observer |
Apr-02-07 05:25 PM |
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I'm empathetic to his heroics |
Juniperx |
Apr-02-07 05:37 PM |
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like? |
SoCalDem |
Apr-02-07 05:39 PM |
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Oh, yeah... that's scary |
Juniperx |
Apr-02-07 05:49 PM |
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He's a maverick... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 05:58 PM |
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McLame was a hero. Now he is pathetic. |
Disturbed |
Apr-02-07 06:27 PM |
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I really do feel sorry for him |
nevergiveup |
Apr-02-07 06:16 PM |
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He's done enough... he needs to take care of himself now |
Juniperx |
Apr-02-07 06:25 PM |
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Funny how our lurking pissants are so selective in their copying of messages...and yes, that's |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 06:21 PM |
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We know .... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-02-07 07:49 PM |
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Ah, so you've noticed my message. BC, in particular, check the post history about the time |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 10:05 PM |
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He sold his soul to Bush |
marlakay |
Apr-02-07 06:24 PM |
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I think what we're really arguing about here is the definition of "hero" |
Poiuyt |
Apr-02-07 06:36 PM |
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Thank You... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-03-07 06:22 PM |
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I'd say climbing in the cockpit of a fighter jet to fly combat missions qualifies |
dbaker41 |
Apr-04-07 02:32 PM |
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He lost any credibility as a POW war hero... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 06:51 PM |
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McCain was gonna blow up a powerplant before he was caught. |
IChing |
Apr-02-07 07:01 PM |
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Everything a "hero" does is NOT heroic, all their time is not "hero time" |
uppityperson |
Apr-02-07 07:07 PM |
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Yes, you can, and yes, you are indeed. Well-summarized. |
Redstone |
Apr-02-07 10:19 PM |
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It's very easy to sit |
Katzenkavalier |
Apr-02-07 10:28 PM |
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We know ... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-03-07 06:27 PM |
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I'm sure the Vietnamese consider him a great hero, for |
Gabi Hayes |
Apr-02-07 10:31 PM |
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McCain was a war hero but he has a history of screwing things up for himself |
Jennicut |
Apr-02-07 11:04 PM |
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Let's not Swiftboat McCain.... |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-02-07 10:44 PM |
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He's a POW who now turns his back on other POWs & Vets! |
AZBlue |
Apr-02-07 11:26 PM |
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He is a hero because he hurts the refucklican party every time he opens his big, fat mouth. |
Swamp Rat |
Apr-03-07 01:28 AM |
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He murdered innocents for the sake of global capitalism. That makes him a hero |
ConsAreLiars |
Apr-03-07 02:06 AM |
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By your lights |
cali |
Apr-03-07 08:09 AM |
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Hindsight is always 20-20, didn't you know that? |
dbaker41 |
Apr-04-07 02:36 PM |
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I was alive. I was a toddler but I was alive. Vietnam was still a waste of time, money and lives... |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 03:56 PM |
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You have the benefit of hindsight we didn't have in the 60s. |
dbaker41 |
Apr-04-07 04:09 PM |
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What I'm doing may not be right but at least I'm not being paying BIG $$$$ to do it. |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 04:24 PM |
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McCain ws a hero back in the Nam era - today he's a Bushbot... |
Imagevision |
Apr-03-07 02:14 AM |
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That was then, this is now |
WilliamPitt |
Apr-03-07 02:18 AM |
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He walked the streets of Baghdad without body armour! |
B Calm |
Apr-03-07 05:14 AM |
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That's not true. He wore body armor and had 100+ US soldiers as bodyguards for his photo-op. (nt) |
w4rma |
Apr-03-07 06:40 AM |
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He wore a flak jacket. |
The Lost Patriot |
Apr-03-07 06:46 AM |
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He is definitely worthy of the title "hero". Unfortunately, the last time he was heroic was long ago |
w4rma |
Apr-03-07 06:38 AM |
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The heroic part was not the captivity issue... |
The Lost Patriot |
Apr-03-07 06:42 AM |
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I can't even believe this is a question. He survived the ultimate |
wienerdoggie |
Apr-03-07 07:04 PM |
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for similar reasons as why Kerry is, but don't expect to |
treestar |
Apr-03-07 06:48 AM |
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I barely see people here acknowledge it. n/t |
spoony |
Apr-04-07 01:21 PM |
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McCain ....Lindbergh |
Malikshah |
Apr-03-07 08:06 AM |
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I have diabetes--I'm NOT diabetic. Yes, it's relevant here. |
blondeatlast |
Apr-03-07 09:09 AM |
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What's so heroic about having your plane shot down? |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 12:38 PM |
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He worked with JOHN KERRY on restoring relations with Vietnam |
LSK |
Apr-04-07 01:22 PM |
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Then sat back and did nothing when the Swiftboat liars pissed all over Kerry |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:33 PM |
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He served in Nam... enough for me |
mdmc |
Apr-04-07 01:27 PM |
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He's a war hero, but politically, he is a coward |
wicket |
Apr-04-07 01:34 PM |
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Duke Cunningham is a hero too. |
devilgrrl |
Apr-04-07 01:59 PM |
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