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176. Unbelievable! I'll say one thing, fundies sure know how to whine.
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  -A member of the GAWD cult brought Federal charges against a teacher and won Union Label  May-02-09 08:01 PM   #0 
  - It's important to read the entire opinion  GoneOffShore   May-02-09 08:04 PM   #1 
  - Link to the opinion please? I couldn't find it.  madmusic   May-04-09 12:59 PM   #240 
  - Like yourself  auburnblu   May-02-09 08:08 PM   #2 
  - Thanks for the praise of my enlightenment  Union Label   May-02-09 08:13 PM   #7 
  - At least you acknowledge it  auburnblu   May-02-09 08:23 PM   #17 
  - Yes, it's EXACTLY like being a klansman.  BlooInBloo   May-02-09 08:52 PM   #40 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-02-09 09:08 PM   #49 
  - well that's a stupid comparison  fishwax   May-02-09 09:45 PM   #62 
  - It is over the top sure  auburnblu   May-02-09 09:49 PM   #64 
     - over the top, stupid, offensive, etc.  fishwax   May-02-09 10:00 PM   #67 
     - Hmmmm  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:11 PM   #71 
     - anti-creationism != religious bigotry  fishwax   May-02-09 10:26 PM   #79 
     - Point taken  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:38 PM   #83 
        - thinking people are superstitious because they believe in god  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:03 AM   #143 
        - Well said.  frogmarch   May-03-09 08:57 PM   #230 
        - I'll take "Concern" for $200, Alex.  Richard Steele   May-03-09 03:02 PM   #186 
        - It's not bigotry to support reality. Get the fuck over yourself.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:26 PM   #198 
        - "Bigotry against the poor celebrated and cheered on this site."???  GoneOffShore   May-03-09 08:24 PM   #225 
     - Please just go tell it to the 700 club  Union Label   May-03-09 01:00 AM   #123 
     - Not on this thread I'm not.  auburnblu   May-03-09 01:27 AM   #132 
        - Religion IS myth and superstition.  Raster   May-03-09 07:12 AM   #159 
        - !  SammyWinstonJack   May-03-09 09:49 AM   #164 
        - Truth.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:27 PM   #199 
        - We have a WINNER!  Union Label   May-03-09 08:39 PM   #227 
        - I'm not religious, but I think the teacher's statements were unprofessional  Quantess   May-03-09 05:02 PM   #192 
     - the teacher was not offensive  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:01 AM   #142 
     - It seems like the teacher could have phrased it a little differently and stayed out of the courtroom  Raksha   May-03-09 04:23 PM   #188 
        - It was a history class, discussing why creationism shouldn't be taught in a science class  muriel_volestrangler   May-03-09 04:59 PM   #189 
     - Oh Paaaleeeeeeeeeeze.  progressoid   May-03-09 08:39 AM   #160 
     - "Offensive"???  timtom   May-03-09 11:14 AM   #169 
     - If you let your belief in any god overide science  reggie the dog   May-03-09 05:55 AM   #140 
     - Oddly, you sound... dogmatic... about your science.  LooseWilly   May-03-09 02:40 PM   #183 
        - WTF???????  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 02:44 PM   #184 
        - I guess you haven't heard that one yet.  Richard Steele   May-03-09 02:59 PM   #185 
        - I need an industrial bottle of tylenol by now  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 03:14 PM   #187 
        - I agree with you completely about the difference between theory and dogma.  LooseWilly   May-03-09 05:22 PM   #194 
           - That is when science becomes another religion  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 11:05 PM   #234 
           - Ah - but you are not correct. You have misinterpreted the concepts and left out critical aspects.  whopis01   May-04-09 04:28 AM   #236 
        - No, not "the Sun rotates around the Earth just as readily"  muriel_volestrangler   May-03-09 05:15 PM   #193 
        - I said that the post was making science sound dogmatic.  LooseWilly   May-03-09 10:37 PM   #232 
           - but science does not work by dogma  muriel_volestrangler   May-04-09 04:11 AM   #235 
        - HAHAHAHAHA!!! Go get an education and learn what science actually is before you attack it.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:29 PM   #200 
        - See #194.  LooseWilly   May-03-09 08:13 PM   #224 
        - LOL @ "'science' is as much a set of beliefs as any religion"  Ignis   May-04-09 12:45 PM   #239 
     - It has nothing to do with believing in God  Bandit   May-03-09 09:15 AM   #161 
  - I guess I needed to use the sarcasm smiley  Union Label   May-03-09 12:57 AM   #121 
     - No doubt I could find that there  auburnblu   May-03-09 01:28 AM   #135 
        - It's. Not. Bigotry.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:31 PM   #201 
  - Whenever I say something very stupid...  LanternWaste   May-03-09 09:45 AM   #163 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-02-09 08:14 PM   #8 
  - Which Ivy League school did you go to?  auburnblu   May-02-09 08:22 PM   #16 
     - Still no sense do you make.  GoneOffShore   May-02-09 08:44 PM   # 
        - Read the 1st amend  auburnblu   May-02-09 09:15 PM   #52 
           - Congress shall make no law......  Political Heretic   May-02-09 09:21 PM   #54 
           - Right  auburnblu   May-02-09 09:23 PM   #56 
              - You said read the first amendment. I read it.  Political Heretic   May-02-09 09:24 PM   #58 
                 - Great, I wish everyone would  auburnblu   May-02-09 09:51 PM   #65 
           - Ah now you're starting to make sense  GoneOffShore   May-02-09 09:24 PM   #57 
           - After his comment  auburnblu   May-02-09 09:57 PM   #66 
              - But not a court case  GoneOffShore   May-02-09 10:05 PM   #70 
              - What?  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:16 PM   #73 
              - You do know that until 1901 every Member of Congress  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 10:20 PM   #74 
                 - Okay  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:31 PM   #80 
                 - When the student brings the church to the classroom  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 10:38 PM   #82 
                 - Wow  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:45 PM   #84 
                 - The Jefferson Bible, not bibles  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 10:57 PM   #91 
                 - It is Bibles per your own typing  auburnblu   May-03-09 12:15 AM   #106 
                 - They were JEFFERSON BIBLES  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 12:41 AM   #113 
                    - I get your point  auburnblu   May-03-09 12:43 AM   #115 
                       - Let me try to explain this to you SLOWLY, very slowly  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 12:54 AM   #119 
                          - Let me explain this to you  auburnblu   May-03-09 01:11 AM   #125 
                          - Ah the attack is to bring people back to the real world?  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 01:23 AM   #127 
                          - Ah the attack is to bring people back to the real world?  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 01:23 AM   #128 
                          - Your parting shot - whining to the admins?  auburnblu   May-03-09 01:39 AM   #136 
                          - Assume much? Training does not mean I do it NOW  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 01:45 AM   #137 
                          - Low post count? Maybe, here since 2004  auburnblu   May-03-09 01:55 AM   #139 
                          - If you went through what I did with the GAWD crowd you may have a lot of resentment for them too  Union Label   May-03-09 02:08 PM   #181 
                          - yeah well I went to the University of Illinois at Chicago  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:15 AM   #148 
                          - "to knock all the "enlightened" back to the real world"  TankLV   May-03-09 11:22 AM   #170 
                 - Trained?  auburnblu   May-03-09 12:23 AM   #109 
                 - No didn't screw that up  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 12:43 AM   #114 
                    - Yes I know of the 30 year war  auburnblu   May-03-09 12:52 AM   #118 
                       - No you are playing a game of one up-manship  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 12:59 AM   #122 
                          - But you said Protestants and Catholics  auburnblu   May-03-09 01:20 AM   #126 
                          - yes we humans make mistakes,  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 01:25 AM   #131 
                          - Finally  auburnblu   May-03-09 01:46 AM   #138 
                          - It's easy to insult the ignorant like you...you make it too easy...  TankLV   May-03-09 11:24 AM   #171 
                          - You have no clue  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 11:42 AM   #173 
                 - Nice links Thanks nt  PufPuf23   May-03-09 01:24 AM   #130 
                    - You welcome, I have looked for the damn bible for years  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 01:27 AM   #134 
                       - I am a rare book collector. Recent paperback editions are  PufPuf23   May-04-09 04:17 PM   #241 
                 - challenging is not the same as prohibiting  fishwax   May-02-09 10:57 PM   #92 
                    - Because the teacher is in position of authority  auburnblu   May-03-09 12:29 AM   #111 
                       - so?  fishwax   May-03-09 12:45 AM   #117 
                       - Utter nonsense. The teacher cannot control another person's mind.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:37 PM   #204 
                 - But I know from my own teaching experience that you can return the class to the  tblue37   May-02-09 10:55 PM   #90 
                    - I am sure, but apparently from what a poster who is closer to the action posted  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 11:27 PM   #103 
                    - You may be missing their point  auburnblu   May-03-09 12:26 AM   #110 
                       - where was the insult?  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:20 AM   #150 
                       - The teacher was "insulting" the belief by pointing out reality.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:39 PM   #205 
                 - If your faith involves a disregard for science  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:12 AM   #147 
                 - Copies implies more than one  auburnblu   May-03-09 12:18 AM   #107 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-03-09 12:56 AM   #120 
                 - What is your hang-up with Ivy League schools? You think that the only  Arugula Latte   May-03-09 06:20 PM   #196 
                 - move to France  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:10 AM   #146 
              - Some school systems are so autocratic that the courts tend to be the only thing that will cause  ProgressiveProfessor   May-03-09 12:11 AM   #104 
              - it is not bigotry to say that christians are superstitious, they are  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:09 AM   #145 
              - BULLSHIT. Pointing out reality is not bigotry.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:33 PM   #203 
           - It is clear that it says you cannot prohibit someone from exercising their religion  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:05 AM   #144 
  - I thought you were serious for a second  Political Heretic   May-02-09 08:16 PM   #10 
  - Thank you.  Matariki   May-02-09 08:19 PM   #13 
  - Don't forget freedom from being offended!!  tabasco   May-02-09 08:30 PM   #25 
  - He heard a bigoted attack  auburnblu   May-02-09 08:32 PM   #26 
  - No, he didn't. He wasn't attacked for being a believer.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:42 PM   #207 
  - yes he heard an opinion  marketcrazy1   May-02-09 09:11 PM   #50 
  - if their religion leads them to deny  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:23 AM   #151 
  - Because of a teacher's power in the classroom, expressing such an opinion  tblue37   May-02-09 11:04 PM   #95 
     - you see no difference between someone mocking you  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:24 AM   #152 
     - Expressing proven facts is abuse now?  Zhade   May-03-09 07:44 PM   #208 
  - "How dare someone assert anything is more "enlightened" than my beliefs."  tkmorris   May-02-09 09:47 PM   #63 
  - Please  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:03 PM   #69 
  - You think those two scenarios are equal?  tkmorris   May-03-09 01:10 AM   #124 
  - Could not have said it better.  Creena   May-03-09 01:24 AM   #129 
  - where is the biggotry?  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:26 AM   #153 
  - Poor example.  mrbarber   May-03-09 09:38 AM   #162 
  - People are born gay. No one is born religious (all are born lacking belief, thus are atheists).  Zhade   May-03-09 07:53 PM   #211 
  - HEAR, HEAR! Spoken like someone whose intellectual curiosity isn't dead.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:45 PM   #209 
  - Why don't creationists talk about Zeus killing his father?  LooseWilly   May-03-09 02:28 PM   #182 
  - I only pity them  sniffa   May-03-09 07:40 PM   #206 
  - Doesn't this mean that public schools can't teach Creationism either?  anonymous171   May-02-09 08:10 PM   #3 
  - Possibly  auburnblu   May-02-09 08:12 PM   #5 
     - Creationism, YEC, ID, etc have no scientific basis  GoneOffShore   May-02-09 08:17 PM   #11 
     - Didnt say it should be taught  auburnblu   May-02-09 08:19 PM   #14 
        - Your implication was that it was a valid belief system  GoneOffShore   May-02-09 08:49 PM   #36 
        - Sigh  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:12 PM   #72 
        - "many" believe any number of myths of creation, all different--it was not a mythology class  ima_sinnic   May-03-09 12:25 PM   #175 
     - Scientific FACT, not belief.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:54 PM   #212 
  - yeesh  fishwax   May-02-09 08:10 PM   #4 
  - The remark is disparaging. But how does this violate the first amendment?  Political Heretic   May-02-09 08:13 PM   #6 
  - Uh oh, the words of the 1st amendment  auburnblu   May-02-09 09:07 PM   #48 
  - That's not really answering my question.  Political Heretic   May-02-09 09:20 PM   #53 
     - No doubt the school is not Congress  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:36 PM   #81 
        - Except that the teacher did not establish a religion or lack thereof in the kid's mind.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:56 PM   #214 
  - It doesn't.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:55 PM   #213 
  - Dr. Corbett is a brilliant teacher.  Creena   May-02-09 08:15 PM   #9 
  - Hmmmm  auburnblu   May-02-09 08:18 PM   #12 
     - Creationism as religious, superstitious nonsense  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 08:21 PM   #15 
     - Well, I dunno really about this line of thinking  The Straight Story   May-02-09 08:25 PM   #20 
     - The difference.... when new info comes out in science  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 08:28 PM   #23 
     - Indeed - it changes  The Straight Story   May-02-09 08:57 PM   #44 
        - On the subject of "Open mindedness" take a look at this  GoneOffShore   May-02-09 09:12 PM   #51 
        - Here is a difference, critical difference  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 10:00 PM   #68 
        - Science deals with evidence. Religion doesn't. The two couldn't be further apart.  Zhade   May-03-09 07:58 PM   #215 
     - no, that's why science calls it a theory not a fact.  unapatriciated   May-03-09 06:36 AM   #157 
     - creationism needs to be taught in Mythology class  handmade34   May-02-09 08:27 PM   #22 
     - Or theology class, fine by me  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 08:29 PM   # 
        - yes...  handmade34   May-02-09 08:39 PM   #30 
           - One of the people I most respected was a Jesuit Seminarian  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 08:44 PM   #32 
     - If you would say that to a kid you were teaching  auburnblu   May-02-09 08:29 PM   #24 
     - The attacks are actually heavier against those who have no belief  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 08:33 PM   #27 
     - Then those teachers should get in trouble  auburnblu   May-02-09 08:40 PM   #31 
        - He said that creationism is religious thinking  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 08:46 PM   #33 
           - The word nonsense was a poor choice  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:21 PM   #75 
              - Well by your definition of religious bigotry one Thomas Jefferson  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 10:24 PM   #77 
              - You may not be so enlightened.  auburnblu   May-03-09 12:12 AM   #105 
                 - Nah you tweet, I went to a public university  nadinbrzezinski   May-03-09 12:45 AM   #116 
              - creationism is nonsense  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:32 AM   #155 
              - Calling beliefs nonsense is not bigotry, no matter how many times you wrongly assert that.  Zhade   May-03-09 08:01 PM   #217 
     - Well said.  undeterred   May-03-09 06:20 AM   #149 
     - Once more: ATTACKING THE BELIEF IS NOT ATTACKING THE PERSON.  Zhade   May-03-09 08:00 PM   #216 
     - Better to ignore religion entirely in class  DatManFromNawlins   May-02-09 08:54 PM   #41 
        - Read bellow somebody knows more of this  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 08:57 PM   #45 
        - you can say that here in France  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:33 AM   #156 
     - 20+ years of teaching and nothing came up before.  Creena   May-02-09 08:25 PM   #18 
     - Because the way the comment was phrased  auburnblu   May-02-09 08:35 PM   #28 
        - Let me try and explain this to you...  Creena   May-02-09 08:46 PM   #34 
        - How "Enlightened"  auburnblu   May-02-09 09:22 PM   #55 
           - Sigh.  Creena   May-02-09 09:33 PM   #60 
           - Good for you and I went to Duke  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:52 PM   #88 
              - Wow.  Creena   May-03-09 12:36 AM   #112 
              - so we have to pay fifty grand a year to become enlightened?  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:40 AM   #158 
              - Dukies are scum and stupid  sniffa   May-03-09 07:46 PM   #210 
           - Saying something is 'nonsense' is hardly 'bigotry'.  Stellabella   May-02-09 11:07 PM   #97 
           - IT. WAS. NOT. BIGOTRY.  Zhade   May-03-09 08:05 PM   #218 
        - I believe this teacher is functioning as an academic  handmade34   May-02-09 08:52 PM   #39 
        - I "sense" you are pulling things out of your ass.  mrbarber   May-03-09 10:04 AM   #166 
     - it is not biggotry to say that creationism is nonsense and superstition  reggie the dog   May-03-09 06:29 AM   #154 
  - This ruling stinks, but it actually lays the ground work to have "under god"  stopbush   May-02-09 08:25 PM   #19 
  - If the roles were switched I doubt you would be saying that. nt  anonymous171   May-02-09 08:26 PM   #21 
     - I don't catch your meaning.  stopbush   May-02-09 08:37 PM   #29 
  - Mission Viejo, figures, the bible belt of Culliafornia.  Arctic Dave   May-02-09 08:48 PM   #35 
  - Indeed it is. Indeed it is.  Creena   May-02-09 08:49 PM   #37 
     - Is there a defense fund?  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 08:50 PM   #38 
        - Not that I know of.  Creena   May-02-09 08:56 PM   #42 
           - Thanks,  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 09:01 PM   #46 
              - I read somewhere he has been receiving a lot of hate people, so he'll be in for a nice surprise.  Creena   May-02-09 09:05 PM   #47 
                 - I just sent him an email saying stay the course  GoneOffShore   May-02-09 09:44 PM   #61 
                 - Good  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:23 PM   #76 
                    - In the buckle of the bible belt, you are right  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 10:26 PM   #78 
                    - Not for that  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:47 PM   #86 
                       - By the logic of the religious nuts that teacher  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 11:18 PM   #101 
                       - Sounds to me like the teacher was reacting to the student's bigotry.  immoderate   May-03-09 01:45 PM   #177 
                       - IT WAS NOT BIGOTED.  Zhade   May-03-09 08:08 PM   #220 
                    - IT WAS NOT BIGOTED.  Zhade   May-03-09 08:07 PM   #219 
  - Christianity and Creationism aren't equivalent  fishwax   May-02-09 08:57 PM   #43 
  - Creationism as religious, superstitious nonsense  RetroLounge   May-02-09 09:31 PM   #59 
  - The word "bigot" keeps being repeated about this teacher.  OHDEM   May-02-09 10:45 PM   #85 
  - Saying all people from Ireland are dumb  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:59 PM   #93 
     - I guess that's where we disagree.  OHDEM   May-02-09 11:05 PM   #96 
     - No, the opinion that creationism is superstitious nonsense can be arrived at  muriel_volestrangler   May-03-09 06:04 PM   #195 
     - IT WAS NOT BIGOTED. PERIOD.  Zhade   May-03-09 08:09 PM   #221 
  - I am an agnostic and I teach college. I despise the way religious bigots  tblue37   May-02-09 10:48 PM   #87 
  - Best post in this thread  auburnblu   May-02-09 10:54 PM   #89 
  - You might also want to check out my post #95 above. nt  tblue37   May-02-09 11:11 PM   #100 
  - Thats why I teach in a technical field  ProgressiveProfessor   May-03-09 12:19 AM   #108 
  - While the lawsuit is stupid, Corbett shouldn't have said that.  Danger Mouse   May-02-09 11:02 PM   #94 
  - I'm with you on that.  Chovexani   May-02-09 11:11 PM   #99 
  - What is this, 1926?  Chovexani   May-02-09 11:10 PM   #98 
  - Worshiped frogs! That is a good one  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-09 11:24 PM   #102 
  - Here's a suggestion for teachers, from a former teacher. The job involves plenty of contact with  struggle4progress   May-03-09 01:27 AM   #133 
  - how did the judges convict him for stating the truth?  reggie the dog   May-03-09 05:59 AM   #141 
  - Whether you think it valid..  JackDragna   May-03-09 09:57 AM   #165 
     - so in a public school  reggie the dog   May-03-09 05:00 PM   #190 
     - You can say it's false, to be sure.  JackDragna   May-04-09 11:35 AM   #238 
     - False. Teachers are not prohibited from stating the truth...  Zhade   May-03-09 08:11 PM   #222 
        - Except this goes beyond a statement of truth..  JackDragna   May-04-09 11:33 AM   #237 
  - The hilarious hypocrisy of the Farnans and their peers on DU  Bluenorthwest   May-03-09 10:19 AM   #167 
  - If I could I'd rec your post.  GoneOffShore   May-03-09 05:01 PM   #191 
  - I am FAR from a supporter of creationism  Veruca Salt   May-03-09 10:21 AM   #168 
  - The teacher is not 20 - he's a 20 year veteran teacher. nt  OHDEM   May-03-09 12:02 PM   #174 
  - Holy crap my bad!  Veruca Salt   May-03-09 08:46 PM   #228 
  - Agree. In a classroom, I say, "Creationism is not science."  immoderate   May-03-09 01:57 PM   #179 
     - Absolutly  Veruca Salt   May-03-09 08:54 PM   #229 
        - I have a feeling the kid was getting on his nerves.  immoderate   May-03-09 10:42 PM   #233 
  - This is a bullshit ruling - this teacher's FIRST AMMENDMENT RIGHTS were trampled on...  TankLV   May-03-09 11:29 AM   #172 
  - Unbelievable! I'll say one thing, fundies sure know how to whine.  suede1   May-03-09 01:14 PM   #176 
  - The Judge is one of Dubya's Bible Thumping Appointments.  TexasObserver   May-03-09 01:49 PM   #178 
  - Public school teachers cannot say things like that.  JackDragna   May-03-09 02:04 PM   #180 
  - The sad thing is, cretinism IS "religious superstitious nonsense".  Zhade   May-03-09 07:24 PM   #197 
  - I'm guessing that you meant to put (sic) after cretinism.  GoneOffShore   May-03-09 08:27 PM   #226 
  - So...how exactly did the teacher's comment "prohibit" this student  Lyric   May-03-09 07:32 PM   #202 
  - It didn't. At all. This ruling is wrong. I hope he wins on appeal.  Zhade   May-03-09 08:12 PM   #223 
  - I hope this is overturned on appeal.  Seldona   May-03-09 09:40 PM   #231 
 

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