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Tue Apr-03-07 11:04 AM
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| 115. It saved billions of lives |
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You criticize the environmental aspects of it, and the that it's "unnatural" but that it dramatically increased food production so our planet can support such a large population.
To put it bluntly, if you want a world with only organic agriculture, then you will have to kill off a couple billion of people.
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| -7 DEADLY MYTHS OF INDUSTRIAL AGRICULTURE |
Jcrowley |
Apr-01-07 09:51 PM |
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Thank you. |
jwirr |
Apr-01-07 09:53 PM |
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Nominated. |
H2O Man |
Apr-01-07 09:53 PM |
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Excellent post...and very timely with the wheat gluten scare. |
brer cat |
Apr-01-07 09:55 PM |
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thanks for posting this. k&r. n/t |
orleans |
Apr-01-07 09:56 PM |
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Kick. |
pinto |
Apr-01-07 09:56 PM |
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K & R, bookmarked & copied |
havocmom |
Apr-01-07 09:59 PM |
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Yeah , this is what they call PROGRESS . |
blues90 |
Apr-01-07 10:06 PM |
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Mulligan Stew |
Rydz777 |
Apr-01-07 10:09 PM |
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this is a beautiful post! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-02-07 12:21 AM |
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Well you got the noms... |
hang a left |
Apr-02-07 12:35 AM |
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I highly recommend this excellent article. |
Vidar |
Apr-02-07 01:31 AM |
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K&R and when you consider the factory farming of animals EXTREMELY CRUEL too |
Reterr |
Apr-02-07 01:43 AM |
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K&R-not to mention the horror that is the meat industry.nt |
nam78_two |
Apr-02-07 01:45 AM |
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K&R-not to mention the horror that is the meat industry.nt |
nam78_two |
Apr-02-07 01:45 AM |
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sorry |
nam78_two |
Apr-02-07 01:46 AM |
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Hey, it was something that bears repeating! ....n/t |
WiseButAngrySara |
Apr-02-07 05:46 AM |
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K&R-not to mention the horror that is the meat industry.nt |
nam78_two |
Apr-02-07 01:45 AM |
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Have you seen this film? |
Lorien |
Apr-02-07 01:47 AM |
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"The Future of Film" seems like a good film to watch. |
mcg |
Apr-02-07 06:07 AM |
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Thanks for this! |
countryjake |
Apr-02-07 03:55 AM |
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K & R. ...n/t |
WiseButAngrySara |
Apr-02-07 05:52 AM |
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If you want clean food for yourself and your family, check out CSA |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-02-07 07:42 AM |
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Excellent idea! Buy Fresh, Buy Local! |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-02-07 07:59 AM |
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And with CSA your create a local oasis of environmental health |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-02-07 08:06 AM |
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Exactly. I've been convinced of that for years. |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-02-07 08:13 AM |
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and help build/support community |
Morgana LaFey |
Apr-02-07 06:38 PM |
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CSA |
Le Taz Hot |
Apr-02-07 08:56 AM |
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That is an outstanding link SpiralHawk |
JetCityLiberal |
Apr-02-07 03:08 PM |
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De nada |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-02-07 05:53 PM |
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Go to localharvest.org to find CSAs, Farmers Markets, and local growers nt |
mycritters2 |
Apr-02-07 10:38 PM |
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Eat food. Not too much. Plants mostly! |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-02-07 08:08 AM |
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Again, about "myth #5 = More Choices" The pet food crisis puts the lie |
annabanana |
Apr-02-07 08:10 AM |
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K & R |
YankeyMCC |
Apr-02-07 08:12 AM |
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CSA farms have been around for 21 years, and |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-02-07 08:32 AM |
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Menu Foods, Anyone? |
Crisco |
Apr-02-07 08:35 AM |
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The violence of the green revolution |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 08:41 AM |
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Would you buy food from Bush and Cheney? |
cassiepriam |
Apr-02-07 09:27 AM |
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Excellent post with excellent points. |
DemExpat |
Apr-02-07 09:31 AM |
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WHAT are the real costs of food? |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 11:29 AM |
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I'm happy to K&R.... |
Dora |
Apr-02-07 11:36 AM |
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challenged. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 11:45 AM |
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Bornaginhooligan--your critique of the post is industry propaganda. You've been brainwashed |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 02:19 PM |
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I've been brainwashed, eh? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 02:36 PM |
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you probably believe |
druidity33 |
Apr-02-07 03:16 PM |
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Um, yeah, I do. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 04:19 PM |
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Uh... bornagain...the potato famine was because of monoculture, i.e, lack of diversity |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 06:00 PM |
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Well, yeah. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 06:05 PM |
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You won't get away with that one |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 07:12 PM |
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I didn't take a "for corporate" farming position. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 07:19 PM |
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I would prefer diversity over poisoning food. Plants develop natural resistance to disease over |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 08:38 PM |
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do your research |
druidity33 |
Apr-02-07 06:01 PM |
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I'm quite familiar with the subjects. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 06:07 PM |
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just a coupla links... |
druidity33 |
Apr-02-07 06:27 PM |
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Did you know... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 06:46 PM |
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never read it... n/t |
druidity33 |
Apr-02-07 08:25 PM |
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Whoops. I just saw this |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 07:24 PM |
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I have never read that this is the real reason the Irish starved to death |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 07:04 PM |
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The potato blight was the last blow to a people already badly oppressed |
mycritters2 |
Apr-02-07 10:43 PM |
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thank you |
druidity33 |
Apr-03-07 06:07 AM |
#105 |
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Organic vs. Conventional Agriculture |
jpak |
Apr-02-07 03:54 PM |
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This seems illogical |
Nederland |
Apr-02-07 05:34 PM |
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you can't |
druidity33 |
Apr-02-07 06:09 PM |
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Less energy (fossil fuels) but more labor-intensive, thus more expensive in the short run |
piedmont |
Apr-02-07 06:34 PM |
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In terms of energy efficiency, corporate farming is the most inefficient method there is |
eridani |
Apr-02-07 08:06 PM |
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Yep. nt |
piedmont |
Apr-02-07 10:54 PM |
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You didn't answer me |
Nederland |
Apr-03-07 09:32 AM |
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They are seeking to maximize profits |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 10:33 AM |
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Response |
Nederland |
Apr-03-07 10:38 AM |
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Definitely not |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 10:48 AM |
#112 |
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Food is not a right |
Nederland |
Apr-03-07 10:51 AM |
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That's an abstraction |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 10:54 AM |
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Of course its an abstraction |
Nederland |
Apr-03-07 11:08 AM |
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I don't think anyone said it was more profitable |
piedmont |
Apr-03-07 04:39 PM |
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Yes, I did answer. The question is-- |
eridani |
Apr-03-07 08:49 PM |
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Conservative farm culture plus unrelenting propaganda from seed/fertilizer/pesticide industry |
jpak |
Apr-02-07 06:35 PM |
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Yeah the Amish using GM crops |
gravity |
Apr-02-07 07:02 PM |
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Organic food can produce similar yields |
gravity |
Apr-02-07 06:59 PM |
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That's based on a false premise |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 08:35 PM |
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The chem/pharm industry also owns most of the seed companies |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 08:03 PM |
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Illogical? "Screw that logic shit." - Monsanto and Chemical Giants |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-04-07 10:12 AM |
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Excellent post. |
Buzz Clik |
Apr-03-07 10:38 PM |
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Worried about your cat food? |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Apr-02-07 11:48 AM |
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A great book: |
elmerdem |
Apr-02-07 11:52 AM |
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I'm not certain I agree with every tenet listed |
NobleCynic |
Apr-02-07 01:21 PM |
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Wow -- don't you know that fertilizers recycle hazardous wastes? |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 09:11 PM |
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No. It isn't debatable. |
NobleCynic |
Apr-03-07 03:26 AM |
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Ready for a little debate on this? |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-03-07 04:29 PM |
#117 |
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I agree with you more than you realize |
NobleCynic |
Apr-03-07 11:22 PM |
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You make some good points... and I even agree with you some of the time |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-07 07:29 PM |
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A ten year plan might be acceptable |
NobleCynic |
Apr-05-07 08:05 PM |
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You are basically correct with most of what you're saying here |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-06-07 06:49 PM |
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A dignified discourse is always appreciated |
NobleCynic |
Apr-06-07 08:55 PM |
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The green revolution saved the lives of billions |
gravity |
Apr-02-07 01:33 PM |
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That's what we were taught in public school, but I'm not sure that it's true. |
yardwork |
Apr-02-07 02:24 PM |
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The green revolution is a cheap-petroleum supported lie. |
piedmont |
Apr-02-07 04:39 PM |
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That's false |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 10:39 AM |
#111 |
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It saved billions of lives |
gravity |
Apr-03-07 11:04 AM |
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Totally false |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 05:40 PM |
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Industrial agriculture uses fertilizers with hazardous waste, even low level radioactive waste!!!! |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 02:34 PM |
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US-Europe Heavy Metal Contaminant Standards |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 05:07 PM |
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Heavy metals, toxic waste, radioactive waste allowed in US fertilizers |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 05:33 PM |
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Nice job of cherry picking the information. |
Buzz Clik |
Apr-03-07 10:56 PM |
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I'm not sure I understand |
Jcrowley |
Apr-04-07 07:40 PM |
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You seem to be afraid of a real debate |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-05-07 10:51 AM |
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As a Biotech major, I dispute assertion #7 |
Odin2005 |
Apr-02-07 02:51 PM |
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Odin2005 - so you say you dispute the OP's item number 7? |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 04:28 PM |
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With what evidence? |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 05:08 PM |
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The problems with GMOs have to do with regulating the industry, NOT the technology itself. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-02-07 05:33 PM |
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Let me ask one single question. How do you "regulate" trillions of GMO pollen floating in the air? |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 05:41 PM |
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That's not much of a case |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 05:58 PM |
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Where's your evidence for #7? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 07:00 PM |
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Here it is |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 07:59 PM |
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That's got nothing to do with #7. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 08:08 PM |
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You bailed out n/t |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 08:22 PM |
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You never left the ground. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 08:23 PM |
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You are in denial --and should apologize to the OP for wasting his time |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-03-07 05:38 PM |
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"made no effort at a real debate." |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-03-07 09:07 PM |
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Naughty you --- you must not have read his detailed replies to you -- n/t |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-07 07:31 AM |
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I guess that's true. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-04-07 07:47 PM |
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Actually it's you who is being unfair-- and with shallow comments, not facts |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 08:50 PM |
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... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-04-07 07:45 PM |
#145 |
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You are obviously not well-read on this topic. You need to examine your conscience |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-05-07 10:39 AM |
#147 |
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I'm quite well read on the subject. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-05-07 11:18 AM |
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Chem/Pharm/Biotech firms are patenting seeds that have existed for centuries |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-06-07 09:26 PM |
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You are completely ignorant on this topic |
Jcrowley |
Apr-06-07 09:44 PM |
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Can you cite some examples? |
Jcrowley |
Apr-06-07 09:46 PM |
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Gosh, where'd ya go, college boy? LOL...... |
bettyellen |
Apr-06-07 10:21 PM |
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As a natural human being of planet Earth, I dispute your dispute |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-02-07 07:14 PM |
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Equilibrium will be restored to the planet. Even if it means we |
Rex |
Apr-02-07 05:10 PM |
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#3 Truth is Impossible |
Nederland |
Apr-02-07 05:14 PM |
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If you thought about it a bit more you would see that it's reasonable |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 06:28 PM |
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You didn't look at the numbers |
Nederland |
Apr-03-07 09:30 AM |
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Nederland -- you totally ignored the OPs statement when you made your |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-03-07 05:02 PM |
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You don't get it |
Nederland |
Apr-03-07 05:45 PM |
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I do get it..... you are looking at the problem linerally -- not laterally |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-03-07 08:00 PM |
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Those costs cannot be calculated |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 09:02 PM |
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That conceit began with the OP |
Nederland |
Apr-04-07 10:56 AM |
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Two questions |
Nederland |
Apr-04-07 10:25 AM |
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Yeah, we should all go back to pre-industrial agriculture like Cambodia did under Pol Pot. |
Crandor |
Apr-02-07 05:36 PM |
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that is a specious argument n/t |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 06:03 PM |
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I didn't see the "sarcasm" note. Sorry about that. n/t |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-07 07:57 AM |
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They have a great Renewable Energy Fair in Wisconsin in June |
Annces |
Apr-02-07 05:41 PM |
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K & R and should be posted every day until everyone here |
Faux pas |
Apr-02-07 07:44 PM |
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Wheat gluten |
lonestarnot |
Apr-02-07 07:59 PM |
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Poison on the wind |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 09:30 PM |
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eeeeeeeeee gads! |
lonestarnot |
Apr-02-07 10:49 PM |
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Actually, low level chronic exposures are much more insidious and dangerous than acute exposures |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-07 09:51 AM |
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k & r !!! |
NotGivingUp |
Apr-02-07 08:31 PM |
#92 |
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Seeds of Deception |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 10:32 PM |
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Interesting thread |
riverdeep |
Apr-02-07 10:39 PM |
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Chemical Trespass: Pesticides in Our Bodies and Corporate Accountability |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 10:22 AM |
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Read "Chemicals and the Developing Brain" to understand |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-03-07 05:21 PM |
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Death of the Central Dogma |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 09:06 PM |
#127 |
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7 Falsehoods in the 7 Truths |
Buzz Clik |
Apr-03-07 10:37 PM |
#129 |
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We need a new myth |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 10:59 PM |
#133 |
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Don't bother responding. |
Buzz Clik |
Apr-03-07 11:11 PM |
#134 |
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bump from someone who's seen firsthand a factory chicken farm |
stuntcat |
Apr-03-07 10:45 PM |
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thought I'd share this...found this years ago.... |
Dakini23 |
Apr-03-07 11:23 PM |
#136 |
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For some reason, the photo for No. 2 embarrasses me... |
KansDem |
Apr-05-07 10:57 AM |
#149 |
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Yes indeed. K & R n/t |
InvisibleTouch |
Apr-06-07 10:03 PM |
#157 |
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Well, I couldn't "R" anymore, so... |
InvisibleTouch |
Apr-06-07 10:06 PM |
#158 |
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