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Mon Apr-02-07 11:36 AM
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The shorter our food chain is, the healthier our diet will be. The healthier our diet, the healthier our body. The healthier we are... well, we all need our strength for the days ahead.
Michael Pollan had a wonderful essay in the NY Times recently related to this subject.
One rule we could all strive to live by, is don't eat food your great-grandmother wouldn't recognize as food.
IOW: make it yourself, from ingredients on-hand and from local/trustworthy sources.
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| -7 DEADLY MYTHS OF INDUSTRIAL AGRICULTURE |
Jcrowley |
Apr-01-07 09:51 PM |
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Thank you. |
jwirr |
Apr-01-07 09:53 PM |
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Nominated. |
H2O Man |
Apr-01-07 09:53 PM |
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Excellent post...and very timely with the wheat gluten scare. |
brer cat |
Apr-01-07 09:55 PM |
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thanks for posting this. k&r. n/t |
orleans |
Apr-01-07 09:56 PM |
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Kick. |
pinto |
Apr-01-07 09:56 PM |
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K & R, bookmarked & copied |
havocmom |
Apr-01-07 09:59 PM |
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Yeah , this is what they call PROGRESS . |
blues90 |
Apr-01-07 10:06 PM |
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Mulligan Stew |
Rydz777 |
Apr-01-07 10:09 PM |
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this is a beautiful post! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-02-07 12:21 AM |
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Well you got the noms... |
hang a left |
Apr-02-07 12:35 AM |
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I highly recommend this excellent article. |
Vidar |
Apr-02-07 01:31 AM |
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K&R and when you consider the factory farming of animals EXTREMELY CRUEL too |
Reterr |
Apr-02-07 01:43 AM |
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K&R-not to mention the horror that is the meat industry.nt |
nam78_two |
Apr-02-07 01:45 AM |
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K&R-not to mention the horror that is the meat industry.nt |
nam78_two |
Apr-02-07 01:45 AM |
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sorry |
nam78_two |
Apr-02-07 01:46 AM |
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Hey, it was something that bears repeating! ....n/t |
WiseButAngrySara |
Apr-02-07 05:46 AM |
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K&R-not to mention the horror that is the meat industry.nt |
nam78_two |
Apr-02-07 01:45 AM |
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Have you seen this film? |
Lorien |
Apr-02-07 01:47 AM |
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"The Future of Film" seems like a good film to watch. |
mcg |
Apr-02-07 06:07 AM |
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Thanks for this! |
countryjake |
Apr-02-07 03:55 AM |
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K & R. ...n/t |
WiseButAngrySara |
Apr-02-07 05:52 AM |
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If you want clean food for yourself and your family, check out CSA |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-02-07 07:42 AM |
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Excellent idea! Buy Fresh, Buy Local! |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-02-07 07:59 AM |
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And with CSA your create a local oasis of environmental health |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-02-07 08:06 AM |
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Exactly. I've been convinced of that for years. |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-02-07 08:13 AM |
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and help build/support community |
Morgana LaFey |
Apr-02-07 06:38 PM |
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CSA |
Le Taz Hot |
Apr-02-07 08:56 AM |
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That is an outstanding link SpiralHawk |
JetCityLiberal |
Apr-02-07 03:08 PM |
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De nada |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-02-07 05:53 PM |
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Go to localharvest.org to find CSAs, Farmers Markets, and local growers nt |
mycritters2 |
Apr-02-07 10:38 PM |
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Eat food. Not too much. Plants mostly! |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-02-07 08:08 AM |
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Again, about "myth #5 = More Choices" The pet food crisis puts the lie |
annabanana |
Apr-02-07 08:10 AM |
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K & R |
YankeyMCC |
Apr-02-07 08:12 AM |
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CSA farms have been around for 21 years, and |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-02-07 08:32 AM |
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Menu Foods, Anyone? |
Crisco |
Apr-02-07 08:35 AM |
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The violence of the green revolution |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 08:41 AM |
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Would you buy food from Bush and Cheney? |
cassiepriam |
Apr-02-07 09:27 AM |
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Excellent post with excellent points. |
DemExpat |
Apr-02-07 09:31 AM |
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WHAT are the real costs of food? |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 11:29 AM |
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I'm happy to K&R.... |
Dora |
Apr-02-07 11:36 AM |
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challenged. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 11:45 AM |
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Bornaginhooligan--your critique of the post is industry propaganda. You've been brainwashed |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 02:19 PM |
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I've been brainwashed, eh? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 02:36 PM |
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you probably believe |
druidity33 |
Apr-02-07 03:16 PM |
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Um, yeah, I do. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 04:19 PM |
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Uh... bornagain...the potato famine was because of monoculture, i.e, lack of diversity |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 06:00 PM |
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Well, yeah. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 06:05 PM |
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You won't get away with that one |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 07:12 PM |
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I didn't take a "for corporate" farming position. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 07:19 PM |
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I would prefer diversity over poisoning food. Plants develop natural resistance to disease over |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 08:38 PM |
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do your research |
druidity33 |
Apr-02-07 06:01 PM |
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I'm quite familiar with the subjects. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 06:07 PM |
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just a coupla links... |
druidity33 |
Apr-02-07 06:27 PM |
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Did you know... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 06:46 PM |
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never read it... n/t |
druidity33 |
Apr-02-07 08:25 PM |
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Whoops. I just saw this |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 07:24 PM |
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I have never read that this is the real reason the Irish starved to death |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 07:04 PM |
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The potato blight was the last blow to a people already badly oppressed |
mycritters2 |
Apr-02-07 10:43 PM |
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thank you |
druidity33 |
Apr-03-07 06:07 AM |
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Organic vs. Conventional Agriculture |
jpak |
Apr-02-07 03:54 PM |
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This seems illogical |
Nederland |
Apr-02-07 05:34 PM |
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you can't |
druidity33 |
Apr-02-07 06:09 PM |
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Less energy (fossil fuels) but more labor-intensive, thus more expensive in the short run |
piedmont |
Apr-02-07 06:34 PM |
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In terms of energy efficiency, corporate farming is the most inefficient method there is |
eridani |
Apr-02-07 08:06 PM |
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Yep. nt |
piedmont |
Apr-02-07 10:54 PM |
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You didn't answer me |
Nederland |
Apr-03-07 09:32 AM |
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They are seeking to maximize profits |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 10:33 AM |
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Response |
Nederland |
Apr-03-07 10:38 AM |
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Definitely not |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 10:48 AM |
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Food is not a right |
Nederland |
Apr-03-07 10:51 AM |
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That's an abstraction |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 10:54 AM |
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Of course its an abstraction |
Nederland |
Apr-03-07 11:08 AM |
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I don't think anyone said it was more profitable |
piedmont |
Apr-03-07 04:39 PM |
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Yes, I did answer. The question is-- |
eridani |
Apr-03-07 08:49 PM |
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Conservative farm culture plus unrelenting propaganda from seed/fertilizer/pesticide industry |
jpak |
Apr-02-07 06:35 PM |
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Yeah the Amish using GM crops |
gravity |
Apr-02-07 07:02 PM |
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Organic food can produce similar yields |
gravity |
Apr-02-07 06:59 PM |
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That's based on a false premise |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 08:35 PM |
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The chem/pharm industry also owns most of the seed companies |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 08:03 PM |
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Illogical? "Screw that logic shit." - Monsanto and Chemical Giants |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-04-07 10:12 AM |
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Excellent post. |
Buzz Clik |
Apr-03-07 10:38 PM |
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Worried about your cat food? |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Apr-02-07 11:48 AM |
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A great book: |
elmerdem |
Apr-02-07 11:52 AM |
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I'm not certain I agree with every tenet listed |
NobleCynic |
Apr-02-07 01:21 PM |
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Wow -- don't you know that fertilizers recycle hazardous wastes? |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 09:11 PM |
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No. It isn't debatable. |
NobleCynic |
Apr-03-07 03:26 AM |
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Ready for a little debate on this? |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-03-07 04:29 PM |
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I agree with you more than you realize |
NobleCynic |
Apr-03-07 11:22 PM |
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You make some good points... and I even agree with you some of the time |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-07 07:29 PM |
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A ten year plan might be acceptable |
NobleCynic |
Apr-05-07 08:05 PM |
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You are basically correct with most of what you're saying here |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-06-07 06:49 PM |
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A dignified discourse is always appreciated |
NobleCynic |
Apr-06-07 08:55 PM |
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The green revolution saved the lives of billions |
gravity |
Apr-02-07 01:33 PM |
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That's what we were taught in public school, but I'm not sure that it's true. |
yardwork |
Apr-02-07 02:24 PM |
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The green revolution is a cheap-petroleum supported lie. |
piedmont |
Apr-02-07 04:39 PM |
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That's false |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 10:39 AM |
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It saved billions of lives |
gravity |
Apr-03-07 11:04 AM |
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Totally false |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 05:40 PM |
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Industrial agriculture uses fertilizers with hazardous waste, even low level radioactive waste!!!! |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 02:34 PM |
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US-Europe Heavy Metal Contaminant Standards |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 05:07 PM |
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Heavy metals, toxic waste, radioactive waste allowed in US fertilizers |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 05:33 PM |
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Nice job of cherry picking the information. |
Buzz Clik |
Apr-03-07 10:56 PM |
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I'm not sure I understand |
Jcrowley |
Apr-04-07 07:40 PM |
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You seem to be afraid of a real debate |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-05-07 10:51 AM |
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As a Biotech major, I dispute assertion #7 |
Odin2005 |
Apr-02-07 02:51 PM |
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Odin2005 - so you say you dispute the OP's item number 7? |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 04:28 PM |
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With what evidence? |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 05:08 PM |
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The problems with GMOs have to do with regulating the industry, NOT the technology itself. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-02-07 05:33 PM |
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Let me ask one single question. How do you "regulate" trillions of GMO pollen floating in the air? |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 05:41 PM |
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That's not much of a case |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 05:58 PM |
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Where's your evidence for #7? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 07:00 PM |
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Here it is |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 07:59 PM |
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That's got nothing to do with #7. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 08:08 PM |
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You bailed out n/t |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 08:22 PM |
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You never left the ground. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-07 08:23 PM |
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You are in denial --and should apologize to the OP for wasting his time |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-03-07 05:38 PM |
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"made no effort at a real debate." |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-03-07 09:07 PM |
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Naughty you --- you must not have read his detailed replies to you -- n/t |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-07 07:31 AM |
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I guess that's true. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-04-07 07:47 PM |
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Actually it's you who is being unfair-- and with shallow comments, not facts |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 08:50 PM |
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... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-04-07 07:45 PM |
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You are obviously not well-read on this topic. You need to examine your conscience |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-05-07 10:39 AM |
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I'm quite well read on the subject. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-05-07 11:18 AM |
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Chem/Pharm/Biotech firms are patenting seeds that have existed for centuries |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-06-07 09:26 PM |
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You are completely ignorant on this topic |
Jcrowley |
Apr-06-07 09:44 PM |
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Can you cite some examples? |
Jcrowley |
Apr-06-07 09:46 PM |
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Gosh, where'd ya go, college boy? LOL...... |
bettyellen |
Apr-06-07 10:21 PM |
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As a natural human being of planet Earth, I dispute your dispute |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-02-07 07:14 PM |
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Equilibrium will be restored to the planet. Even if it means we |
Rex |
Apr-02-07 05:10 PM |
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#3 Truth is Impossible |
Nederland |
Apr-02-07 05:14 PM |
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If you thought about it a bit more you would see that it's reasonable |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 06:28 PM |
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You didn't look at the numbers |
Nederland |
Apr-03-07 09:30 AM |
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Nederland -- you totally ignored the OPs statement when you made your |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-03-07 05:02 PM |
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You don't get it |
Nederland |
Apr-03-07 05:45 PM |
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I do get it..... you are looking at the problem linerally -- not laterally |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-03-07 08:00 PM |
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Those costs cannot be calculated |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 09:02 PM |
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That conceit began with the OP |
Nederland |
Apr-04-07 10:56 AM |
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Two questions |
Nederland |
Apr-04-07 10:25 AM |
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Yeah, we should all go back to pre-industrial agriculture like Cambodia did under Pol Pot. |
Crandor |
Apr-02-07 05:36 PM |
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that is a specious argument n/t |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-02-07 06:03 PM |
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I didn't see the "sarcasm" note. Sorry about that. n/t |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-07 07:57 AM |
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They have a great Renewable Energy Fair in Wisconsin in June |
Annces |
Apr-02-07 05:41 PM |
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K & R and should be posted every day until everyone here |
Faux pas |
Apr-02-07 07:44 PM |
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Wheat gluten |
lonestarnot |
Apr-02-07 07:59 PM |
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Poison on the wind |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 09:30 PM |
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eeeeeeeeee gads! |
lonestarnot |
Apr-02-07 10:49 PM |
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Actually, low level chronic exposures are much more insidious and dangerous than acute exposures |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-07 09:51 AM |
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k & r !!! |
NotGivingUp |
Apr-02-07 08:31 PM |
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Seeds of Deception |
Jcrowley |
Apr-02-07 10:32 PM |
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Interesting thread |
riverdeep |
Apr-02-07 10:39 PM |
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Chemical Trespass: Pesticides in Our Bodies and Corporate Accountability |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 10:22 AM |
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Read "Chemicals and the Developing Brain" to understand |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-03-07 05:21 PM |
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Death of the Central Dogma |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 09:06 PM |
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7 Falsehoods in the 7 Truths |
Buzz Clik |
Apr-03-07 10:37 PM |
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We need a new myth |
Jcrowley |
Apr-03-07 10:59 PM |
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Don't bother responding. |
Buzz Clik |
Apr-03-07 11:11 PM |
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bump from someone who's seen firsthand a factory chicken farm |
stuntcat |
Apr-03-07 10:45 PM |
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thought I'd share this...found this years ago.... |
Dakini23 |
Apr-03-07 11:23 PM |
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For some reason, the photo for No. 2 embarrasses me... |
KansDem |
Apr-05-07 10:57 AM |
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Yes indeed. K & R n/t |
InvisibleTouch |
Apr-06-07 10:03 PM |
#157 |
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Well, I couldn't "R" anymore, so... |
InvisibleTouch |
Apr-06-07 10:06 PM |
#158 |
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