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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 09:13 AM
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137. So it's Fly Flu?
It's influenza. Not some unidentified pathogen.
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  -Some flu facts from a molecular biologist mrs_p  Apr-26-09 09:38 AM   #0 
  - Thank you.  crim son   Apr-26-09 09:42 AM   #1 
  - i know, just be careful what you breath  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 09:52 AM   #4 
  - Thank you!  liberalmuse   Apr-26-09 09:49 AM   #2 
  - Source may be US Hog Facility in Mexico  Chiquitita   Apr-27-09 07:30 AM   #123 
     - So it's Fly Flu?  Baby Snooks   Apr-27-09 09:13 AM   #137 
        - It may be more virulent in areas that lack clean air and water  Chiquitita   Apr-27-09 09:44 AM   #142 
  - Thank you for posting this.  drm604   Apr-26-09 09:51 AM   #3 
  - well, i guess i want to say we should be cautious  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 09:57 AM   #10 
  - I didn't even realize I was correcting your spelling.  drm604   Apr-26-09 10:15 AM   #15 
  - from what i've read  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 10:42 AM   #20 
  - That's encouraging.  drm604   Apr-26-09 10:54 AM   #21 
  - thank you -- that's the opposite of what I had read  northernlights   Apr-26-09 01:21 PM   #27 
  - Mexican Secretary of Health  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-09 01:26 PM   #28 
  - I was referring to age/health of typical victim  northernlights   Apr-26-09 03:37 PM   #55 
     - This age / fatality pattern also in the Spanish (1917) flu  Jim Pivonka   Apr-26-09 03:55 PM   #61 
     - The 1918 flu pandemic seemed to spare the very young and older adults.  elocs   Apr-26-09 09:46 PM   #106 
     - Exactly, they are atypical. Most likely cytokine production causing pnumonia.  FedUpWithIt All   Apr-26-09 06:44 PM   #86 
     - The healthier you are, the more at risk you are..  Baby Snooks   Apr-27-09 09:16 AM   #138 
     - Everyone can get flu. They go to a doctor when they get "sick". The fact that so many  McCamy Taylor   Apr-26-09 07:35 PM   #90 
     - that's not quite how it works  northernlights   Apr-26-09 09:18 PM   #100 
     - You are talking about two different things  Bluenorthwest   Apr-27-09 08:25 AM   #126 
  - What the empirical data shows us.  siligut   Apr-26-09 03:32 PM   #51 
  - Could there be a genetic reason to explain the high death rates in Mexico? RE Native American HLA's  mikekohr   Apr-26-09 03:32 PM   #52 
  - that is very interesting information  northernlights   Apr-26-09 03:48 PM   #57 
  - Tecumseh's Creed  mikekohr   Apr-26-09 04:02 PM   #63 
     - thank you  northernlights   Apr-26-09 05:40 PM   #71 
     - That is beautiful.  nyc 4 Biden   Apr-27-09 08:06 AM   #124 
  - This may answer a troubling observation  Jim Pivonka   Apr-26-09 04:12 PM   # 
  - It is also possible the death rate is decreasing because the virus is losing  mikekohr   Apr-26-09 04:23 PM   #65 
  - there could certainly be a genetic component  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 06:23 PM   #76 
     - That is probable more than possible  Baby Snooks   Apr-27-09 09:24 AM   #140 
  - that is what i heard  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 06:19 PM   #75 
  - I found my source -- the WHO  northernlights   Apr-26-09 09:22 PM   #101 
     - thanks!  mrs_p   Apr-27-09 08:55 AM   #128 
  - dupe  mrs_p   Apr-27-09 09:01 AM   #133 
  - hi - i have now heard  mrs_p   Apr-27-09 09:02 AM   #134 
  - Or is it a false mortality rate because X number of people who  hedgehog   Apr-26-09 03:09 PM   #39 
  - it's equally possible that x number of cases were pronounced  northernlights   Apr-26-09 03:15 PM   #44 
  - I was thinking this morning of a young seminarian who died  hedgehog   Apr-26-09 03:34 PM   #53 
  - very true  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 06:24 PM   #77 
  - "the dying have been the immune compromised, young, and old (which is characteristic of influenza"  FedUpWithIt All   Apr-26-09 06:41 PM   #84 
     - The quote from the WHO  Bluenorthwest   Apr-27-09 09:09 AM   #136 
  - There is no indication it is spreading within us yet.  ekwhite   Apr-26-09 06:08 PM   #73 
     - 1,300 cases, not 13,000  northernlights   Apr-26-09 09:25 PM   #103 
     - My bad - I misread the article  ekwhite   Apr-26-09 11:26 PM   #111 
     - It is now 103 out of 1600 cases.  FedUpWithIt All   Apr-26-09 10:16 PM   #110 
  - Background: WHO's Criteria for "Pandemic"  66 dmhlt   Apr-27-09 08:45 AM   #127 
  - 20 case in US, so far, no deaths so far known. That's good news. That's NOT  John Q. Citizen   Apr-27-09 09:28 AM   #141 
  - K&R...  SidDithers   Apr-26-09 09:53 AM   #5 
  - Extremely helpful, but  rusty fender   Apr-26-09 09:53 AM   #6 
  - Lots of better bioweapons on there if you wanted to get rid of one person  stray cat   Apr-26-09 09:56 AM   #8 
  - could be, but as a scentist  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 10:00 AM   #11 
  - Here's some data for you:  file83   Apr-26-09 11:55 AM   #23 
  - well, i never said it couldn't happen in a lab  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 06:29 PM   #79 
  - This is really horrific news. Note that folks in Europe may have partial  McCamy Taylor   Apr-26-09 07:45 PM   #91 
  - More info on the Austria company that released a human/avian product  McCamy Taylor   Apr-26-09 07:56 PM   #94 
     - Great links - say, have you read the book "LAB 257"?  file83   Apr-26-09 10:13 PM   #109 
  - Wouldn't they just use an avian flu?  Baby Snooks   Apr-26-09 03:47 PM   #56 
     - actually, this is a mixed swine/avian/human strain  northernlights   Apr-26-09 03:54 PM   #60 
  - There is no reason to believe that this is not natural.  drm604   Apr-26-09 10:04 AM   #13 
  - I gather you are not familiar with investigations underway  Jim Pivonka   Apr-26-09 03:37 PM   #54 
     - You gather incorrectly.  drm604   Apr-26-09 05:06 PM   #68 
        - Going with ANY explanation is premature. We need more evidence.  Jim Pivonka   Apr-30-09 05:21 PM   #150 
  - Where did it break out  malaise   Apr-26-09 10:19 AM   #16 
  - But they wouldn't release it in Mexico.  Lyric   Apr-26-09 10:22 AM   #17 
  - there are now-documented cases of release of bacteria in the us by the ptb.  Hannah Bell   Apr-26-09 02:01 PM   #34 
  - Apples and Oranges. Bacteria do not mutate  Lyric   Apr-26-09 08:56 PM   #98 
     - not apples & oranges at all. "they" have done similar things in the past, therefore i don't trust  Hannah Bell   Apr-27-09 01:04 AM   #116 
  - Unless the so called Elites had An antidote ?  Butch350   Apr-26-09 08:01 PM   #95 
     - No such thing for the flu.  Lyric   Apr-26-09 08:50 PM   #96 
  - Rusty fender, my open mind hears you loud and clear. . .  Lena inRI   Apr-26-09 02:42 PM   #35 
  - That seems backward  quakerboy   Apr-26-09 04:12 PM   #64 
  - Exactly  ekwhite   Apr-26-09 06:26 PM   #78 
     - As a former  quakerboy   Apr-26-09 07:47 PM   #92 
  - What do you do when your garden is full of weeds?  Butch350   Apr-26-09 07:47 PM   #93 
  - Part of your mind is sick. Get help.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-27-09 09:58 AM   #143 
  - recommend  xchrom   Apr-26-09 09:54 AM   #7 
  - Thank you. This is very informative. Kicked and rec'd  FedUpWithIt All   Apr-26-09 09:57 AM   #9 
  - (3) become informed and do not spread erroneous information  etherealtruth   Apr-26-09 10:00 AM   #12 
  - i have to go  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 10:06 AM   #14 
  - Mrs_p, any precautions for air travel. . .  Lena inRI   Apr-26-09 03:01 PM   #38 
     - best to talk with your doctor if you plan on traveling  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 06:17 PM   #74 
  - Great! Some facts...  Hugin   Apr-26-09 10:26 AM   #18 
  - THANKS FOR YOUR ADVICE -  southernyankeebelle   Apr-26-09 10:36 AM   #19 
  - kicking and recommending-- an excellent overview....  mike_c   Apr-26-09 11:11 AM   #22 
  - and use preventative health methods to not get sick  omega minimo   Apr-26-09 12:01 PM   #24 
  - Question:  cwydro   Apr-26-09 12:48 PM   #25 
  - Best to ask your doctor  Wednesdays   Apr-26-09 02:48 PM   #36 
  - NO  ekwhite   Apr-26-09 06:30 PM   #80 
  - probably not  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 06:33 PM   #81 
  - Thanks for you very nice overview ...  GeorgeGist   Apr-26-09 01:01 PM   #26 
  - Wouldn't it be some sort of poetic justice if Momma Nature killed more of us humans  ConcernedCanuk   Apr-26-09 01:35 PM   #29 
  - Momma Nature has already provided us with  Chorophyll   Apr-26-09 01:47 PM   #30 
  - That's a mean goddess you're worshiping there.  hedgehog   Apr-26-09 03:12 PM   #41 
  - That happened in 1918  ekwhite   Apr-26-09 11:38 PM   #112 
  - I know - we are overdue for another culling  ConcernedCanuk   Apr-27-09 12:12 AM   #115 
  - no, it wouldnt be poetic justice. it would be tragedy. as soon as you lose someone in your family  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-27-09 09:18 AM   #139 
  - Thanks for the information. nt  Chorophyll   Apr-26-09 01:47 PM   #31 
  - K&R for the good info  blaze   Apr-26-09 01:52 PM   #32 
  - question for medical types  safeinOhio   Apr-26-09 01:55 PM   #33 
  - That has been discouraged because people taking the medications when they don't need  hedgehog   Apr-26-09 03:13 PM   #42 
  - I wouldn't expect them to make it available as a prophylactic  northernlights   Apr-26-09 03:20 PM   #46 
  - K & R!  Wind Dancer   Apr-26-09 02:52 PM   #37 
  - For an anthropological projection, one could do worse than Guns, Germs, and Steel...  BlooInBloo   Apr-26-09 03:11 PM   #40 
  - Thanks!  PCIntern   Apr-26-09 03:13 PM   #43 
  - Legalize LSD. Have one hit for every man woman and child  truedelphi   Apr-26-09 03:18 PM   #45 
  - are you serious, or is this a joke??  inna   Apr-26-09 03:51 PM   #59 
  - There is a research group that  truedelphi   Apr-26-09 04:56 PM   #67 
  - hadn't heard that  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 06:36 PM   #82 
     - This issue needs all the infectious disease people it can garner on its  truedelphi   Apr-28-09 02:26 PM   #147 
  - Before the conspiracy theorists grab the narrative, could you comment on this  hedgehog   Apr-26-09 03:21 PM   #47 
  - in theory  mrs_p   Apr-26-09 06:40 PM   #83 
  - Sadly,  quidam56   Apr-26-09 03:21 PM   #48 
  - How ironic, that the local community hospital is being closed as of noon today!  hedgehog   Apr-26-09 03:26 PM   #50 
     - People would have to drive 10-30 miles? Wow, that'd be SO NICE!  havocmom   Apr-26-09 05:15 PM   #69 
  - So does it basically come down to how many proteases can cleave the HA for internal epithelia?  Reterr   Apr-26-09 03:24 PM   #49 
  - To early to attribute this one to "antigenic shift"  Jim Pivonka   Apr-26-09 03:49 PM   #58 
  - my thoughts exactly. welcome to the DU, btw! :) nt  inna   Apr-26-09 04:00 PM   #62 
  - Advice from another molecular biologist  chimpyisstillsatan   Apr-26-09 04:39 PM   #66 
  - Good advice  ekwhite   Apr-26-09 06:42 PM   #85 
  - I actually prefer the OP's version.  Pacifist Patriot   Apr-27-09 07:20 AM   #121 
     - sorry you felt patronized.  chimpyisstillsatan   Apr-27-09 08:17 AM   #125 
        - thought people might be interested  mrs_p   Apr-27-09 09:00 AM   #132 
        - I was interested and think this individual has it quite wrong.  Pacifist Patriot   Apr-27-09 10:20 AM   #144 
        - Keep contributing. Please  chimpyisstillsatan   Apr-29-09 07:03 AM   #148 
        - as a former professional writer  northernlights   Apr-27-09 10:45 AM   #146 
           - flu porn  chimpyisstillsatan   Apr-29-09 07:08 AM   #149 
  - If starting a thread can be done in lieu of an outbreak, I'm all for it!  Duer 157099   Apr-26-09 05:27 PM   #70 
  - I was debating whether to point this out. "Lieu" is an oft-misused word.  DesertDiamond   Apr-27-09 07:24 AM   #122 
  - i know  mrs_p   Apr-27-09 08:58 AM   #131 
  - K&R  ekwhite   Apr-26-09 06:03 PM   #72 
  - Thanks, but I didn't understand a word of that.  The Stranger   Apr-26-09 06:44 PM   #87 
  - Maybe this will help. It is a bit over simplified but it may clarify some.  FedUpWithIt All   Apr-26-09 06:48 PM   #89 
  - It is now unofficially a pandemic...  Baby Snooks   Apr-26-09 06:45 PM   #88 
  - actually, it is still an outbreak  mrs_p   Apr-27-09 08:57 AM   #130 
  - A few more words  McCamy Taylor   Apr-26-09 08:52 PM   #97 
  - So does swine flu kill via a cytokine storm  Juche   Apr-26-09 09:03 PM   #99 
  - Immune system over-response...  Baby Snooks   Apr-26-09 09:32 PM   #104 
  - cytakine storms occur in response to an entirely new pathogen  northernlights   Apr-26-09 09:40 PM   #105 
  - Tamiflu blocks the NA protein  Juche   Apr-26-09 09:51 PM   #107 
  - Elderberries (ie. sambucol) can increase Cytokine production.  FedUpWithIt All   Apr-26-09 11:42 PM   #113 
     - Thanks, I didn't know that  Juche   Apr-27-09 12:04 AM   #114 
     - thanks!  northernlights   Apr-27-09 06:06 AM   #119 
  - Tamiful mechanism of action  bluedawg12   Apr-26-09 09:52 PM   #108 
  - More than one possible cause of the atypical pattern of deaths  Jim Pivonka   Apr-30-09 05:47 PM   #151 
  - 2009 H1N1 viral haemagglutinin could induce high levels of chemokines and cytokines  Jim Pivonka   May-01-09 09:55 AM   #153 
  - I know this is macabre, but does this remind anyone of The Stand?  Hestia   Apr-26-09 09:22 PM   #102 
  - If the "experts" handle this as well as they did Lyme Disease..  kickysnana   Apr-27-09 05:27 AM   #117 
  - Senator Kyl  pjt7   Apr-27-09 06:05 AM   #118 
  - Would the last version of the annual "flu shot" contain anything  Vinca   Apr-27-09 06:07 AM   #120 
  - most likely, no  mrs_p   Apr-27-09 08:56 AM   #129 
  - Excellent post  slackmaster   Apr-27-09 09:05 AM   #135 
  - "Pandemic," "Epidemic," "Outbreak."  chrisa   Apr-27-09 10:26 AM   #145 
  - Excellent. Thank you. The most puzzling aspect of this strain to me, a layperson, is that  Mike 03   Apr-30-09 05:56 PM   #152 
     - You might look at "Genetics of the Influenza Virus" at Nature  Jim Pivonka   May-01-09 10:04 AM   #154 
 

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