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173. Implicit (if not explicit) in many posts is the expectation that one election ...
... is some "major solution" and all should be right with the world if the "right person" is elected. I suppose it's the imbalance created by all the "rally the base" and GOTV hype that precedes eveery election ... but it just ain't so and NEVER will be.

I've been consistent over my entire tenure on DU and even before that it's ESSENTIAL for any citizen of something that aspires to be a 'democratic republic' to continuously engage other citizens in political dialog, arming themselves with facts and logic and well-articulated principles, and diligently spreading sound, truthful, and well-grounded arguments. It is We The People whose attitudes, preferences, and demands are most important. It's NOT about one election or even a dozen elections, and it sure as Hell isn't about that mythical "60th seat" in the Senate or just the Presidency.

The expectation that we can relax and "let George (or Barack) do it" is doomed to result in disappointment and resentment. It's an appallingly childish viewpoint. If there's anything to which I can most attribute the disgusting and continuous shift to the right over the last 30 years it's the willingness of Liberals to (1) stop even identifying themselves as "liberals" out of some misguided sense of embarrassment and (2) stop speaking up and taking active stances in support of liberal principles and human values.

Clearly, many who fashion themselves as "liberals" or even "progressives" really aren't ... and find themselves supporting the left solely out of self-interest ... seeing themselves (often rightly so) as somehow deprived of equal footing in our body politic but unwilling to invest in defending the rights and liberties of others not similarly situated. The "politics of narrow self-interest" is NOT "liberal" even when that self-interest is other than white and male and straight!



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  A few people have expressed confusion about what is permitted here now that Obama is president. SkinnerAdmin  Apr-24-09 09:34 AM   #0 
   The petulance comes from both directions. nt  Captain Hilts   Apr-24-09 09:36 AM   #1 
   Yes, it does.  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 09:43 AM   #10 
      Very much so. Thanks for your help and for DU.  Captain Hilts   Apr-24-09 10:07 AM   #32 
   Well said  frogcycle   Apr-24-09 09:38 AM   #2 
   I used to think that.  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 09:39 AM   #3 
   You can beat opinionated adults to a pulp.  graywarrior   Apr-24-09 09:42 AM   #7 
   THat's correct, but  hootinholler   Apr-24-09 10:36 AM   #73 
   To keep their diapers on  graywarrior   Apr-24-09 12:49 PM   #239 
      Well the damned package said 25-35 pounds!  hootinholler   Apr-24-09 01:40 PM   #302 
         Yabut, 5 lbs of what?  graywarrior   Apr-24-09 04:23 PM   #493 
   Skinner, is there a DU policy regarding  shireen   Apr-25-09 12:36 AM   #670 
   LOL!  JohnnyLib2   Apr-24-09 09:47 AM   #15 
   Thank you Skinner. I just want to say that the last week or so  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 10:09 AM   #37 
   I think you noticed and improvement because:  Marrah_G   Apr-24-09 10:40 AM   #84 
   Mission accomplished.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 10:41 AM   #86 
   I don't know about that. I just know that when I go to the Greatest page  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 10:59 AM   #105 
   That's exactly correct. DU had become worse than Fox for a bit  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 11:09 AM   #112 
   And the reverse also happened -- people being browbeaten  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 12:07 PM   # 
   Sorry that's just not true  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 12:26 PM   #207 
   I'll PM you a link from last night. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 12:29 PM   #210 
   Check your mailbox. There certainly has been pressure here  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 12:47 PM   #233 
   The post that people trashed was a blatant lie-attributing Bush policies to Obama  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 12:49 PM   #240 
      The OP used THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE.  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 12:54 PM   #245 
      This is not name calling  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 01:00 PM   #256 
      That is the TITLE of the article. And unless you have two broken arms  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 01:06 PM   #263 
      Send me the link you are talking about.  Catherine Vincent   Apr-24-09 03:51 PM   #451 
      It seems people are talking past each other.  redqueen   Apr-24-09 01:23 PM   #287 
      The discussion didn't even mention Obama -- except for two posters  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 01:51 PM   #314 
      What "thought crimes" and who is "our" in "our thought crimes"?  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 01:57 PM   #318 
      I was referring to the posters who were having a discussion  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 02:00 PM   #320 
      I wholeheartedly agree with that.  redqueen   Apr-24-09 02:13 PM   #341 
      If nothing else, it slows down the reactions. And most people do better  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 02:15 PM   #345 
      You were the first person in that thread to mention Obama  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-09 03:05 PM   #395 
         Nope. Try again.  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 03:12 PM   #403 
            You *were* the first to talk about Obama in the thread  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-09 03:54 PM   #458 
               I was in no way critical of the *date* being brought up.  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 04:06 PM   # 
                  You objected twice to the date being brought up  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-09 04:58 PM   #530 
                     Nope. Wllful msreading. The discussion was focused elsewhere  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 05:53 PM   #570 
                        "Willful misreading"  omega minimo   Apr-25-09 12:16 AM   #665 
                        When forums attack!  EFerrari   Apr-25-09 12:23 AM   #667 
                        Flying Spaghetti Squash Monster?  omega minimo   Apr-25-09 12:29 AM   #668 
      I share your impression, though I don't know what specific story is being referenced either. nt  MADem   Apr-24-09 05:34 PM   #561 
      "shouting down"  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 02:17 PM   #348 
         I've been reading this person's stuff and all I can say is wow.  Political Heretic   Apr-25-09 01:51 AM   #678 
   Yes, it is true. nt  Hissyspit   Apr-24-09 01:18 PM   #281 
   you are leaving something important out  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 02:15 PM   #343 
   Most people can tell the difference between rational discourse and slander  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 02:52 PM   #383 
      Curious: why do you need to shout?  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 03:24 PM   #420 
      You are misunderstanding the definition in the context of a political forum  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 03:28 PM   #427 
         I don't think I'm misunderstanding at all.  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 03:44 PM   #444 
         that is misleading  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 03:50 PM   #450 
         ...and you never once specifically stated that it was you "shouting down" anybody  HughMoran   Apr-24-09 06:16 PM   #585 
            wrong spot  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 05:38 PM   #799 
      I'm the person who posted the story. I used the title of the story as given.  Hannah Bell   Apr-24-09 03:25 PM   #424 
      And I'm glad you did because the ensuing discussion here  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 03:32 PM   #431 
      that is right  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 04:03 PM   #476 
      You seem to be generating fantasies at this point  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 04:42 PM   #518 
         ok  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 05:03 PM   #534 
            Why, so you can complain?  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 05:07 PM   #538 
               I don't care  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 05:21 PM   #547 
                  This is why I defend the right to distinguish rational vs. irrational discourse  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 05:47 PM   #566 
                     as I said, I have to guess  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 07:25 PM   #619 
                     Define "irrationality" without making it a tautology and define "general silliness"  Political Heretic   Apr-25-09 01:56 AM   #680 
                     Falsehoods, Irrationality, or General Silliness As Defined By You?  NashVegas   Apr-25-09 07:41 AM   #712 
      You've not posted any substantive examples of "slander" yet.  Political Heretic   Apr-25-09 01:53 AM   #679 
   Agreed  SlingBlade   Apr-24-09 02:21 PM   #355 
   Fine. Since you're agreeing that what I posted was untrue  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 02:33 PM   #366 
      See post # 610 I thought it was obvious  SlingBlade   Apr-25-09 04:09 AM   #701 
         Nope. Mr. Moran is wrong and it's not obvious in any way.  EFerrari   Apr-25-09 04:11 PM   #783 
            Excuse me for interrupting your rant, But .....  SlingBlade   Apr-26-09 12:23 PM   #870 
               It's "ma'am" thanks, and charging me with emotionalism isn't  EFerrari   Apr-26-09 07:53 PM   #934 
                  Oh "ma'am," that explains the emotionalism..........just like sir explains  omega minimo   Apr-26-09 08:40 PM   #951 
   We have 2 DU's. "General" and "Presidential" That should tell you there is a problem.  McCamy Taylor   Apr-24-09 06:13 PM   #582 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-09 06:23 PM   #590 
   Agree completely  HughMoran   Apr-24-09 06:56 PM   #610 
   You're absolutely correct.  pecwae   Apr-25-09 06:56 AM   #709 
   provocative and inflammatory  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 02:04 PM   #329 
   I was thinking of suggesting a GD:Social Justice/Human Rights forum.  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 02:12 PM   #339 
   not bad  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 04:17 PM   #486 
      This board is for supporters of the Democratic Party and Democrats.  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 04:32 PM   #504 
   You sum up the problem very well.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 02:22 PM   #358 
   What nonsense  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 02:31 PM   #365 
   Insults like "What nonsense", a subject line which doesn't describe  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 02:35 PM   #367 
   "provocative and inflammatory" does? nt  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 02:38 PM   #370 
   I see you've declined to address the "critical analysis" in the body of the post.  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 03:01 PM   #389 
   New rules for me: If the subject line is abusive, I don't read further.  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 03:22 PM   #416 
      If you think 'nonsense' is abusive, you'll get very little discussion anywhere  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-09 04:02 PM   #475 
         I think I know exactly how much civility to expect from you, HamdenRice. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 04:12 PM   #483 
         You'd better read who posts are by, as well as the title (nt)  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-09 04:38 PM   #515 
            You know, you're right. And Edit #2  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 04:41 PM   #517 
               Go ahead. Plase do explain  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-09 05:01 PM   #531 
                  Thank you for yet another illustration of incivility at DU. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 05:56 PM   #572 
                     There's several subthreads here with Ignored being quite active  omega minimo   Apr-24-09 07:32 PM   #621 
         It's Insulting  NashVegas   Apr-24-09 06:38 PM   #601 
            NONSENSE refers to the argument, not the PERSON. It's not insulting.  MADem   Apr-24-09 07:54 PM   #628 
               Yeah, The Funny Thing Is  NashVegas   Apr-25-09 07:52 AM   #713 
               Well, there's levels of "nonsense" too. "True nonsense" is  MADem   Apr-25-09 10:41 AM   #744 
               depends  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 05:13 PM   #797 
                  That's still talking about "the posts," though--not the person.  MADem   Apr-25-09 09:13 PM   #814 
   "Nonsense" is perfectly fine.  woo me with science   Apr-25-09 09:26 AM   #730 
   Nor does "ridiculous".  urgk   Apr-26-09 07:29 AM   #841 
   I stand by my post  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 04:09 PM   #481 
   Will you address epistemology?  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 04:44 PM   # 
      of course  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 05:46 PM   #565 
      Your example #2 is an extreme corner case not representative if 99.9% of discussion here.  Political Heretic   Apr-25-09 02:04 AM   #681 
   Red-Baiting  Vanje   Apr-24-09 04:29 PM   #503 
   And a double "what nonsense" on you, Hamden.  LooseWilly   Apr-25-09 02:32 AM   #690 
   excellent post.. n/t  habitual   Apr-25-09 06:11 AM   #704 
   According to EarlG-->  HamdenRice   Apr-25-09 06:38 AM   #705 
      argumentum ad verecundiam  Starry Messenger   Apr-25-09 12:04 PM   #747 
      I'm not entirely sure that's quite the case.  MADem   Apr-25-09 08:53 PM   #810 
         I was replying to Hamden.  Starry Messenger   Apr-25-09 09:13 PM   #813 
            I realize that. I was noting that your argument --using the term, for which I provided  MADem   Apr-25-09 09:19 PM   #815 
               Yes.  Starry Messenger   Apr-25-09 09:33 PM   #819 
                  Certainly not absolute, but surely somewhat compelling?  MADem   Apr-25-09 09:45 PM   #822 
                     Is this the world?  Starry Messenger   Apr-25-09 09:56 PM   #825 
                        I think you're correct on all counts!  MADem   Apr-25-09 10:00 PM   #827 
      Survey says...  LooseWilly   Apr-25-09 03:19 PM   #769 
   There's nothing wrong with 'harsh'  pecwae   Apr-25-09 07:05 AM   #710 
      Of course not....but when it "echoes the tone and substance of our opponent's arguments" then we've  MADem   Apr-25-09 09:06 PM   #811 
   well said  Snazzy   Apr-24-09 03:39 PM   #440 
   Yeah it's the far left that gets all the criticism here, right?  dmallind   Apr-25-09 09:11 AM   #726 
   "There are places for them to post, like maybe some socialist workers pary website."  destes   Apr-24-09 05:26 PM   #552 
   welcome to DU  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 05:50 PM   #569 
      That's not a complicated question to answer, TA  Political Heretic   Apr-25-09 02:07 AM   #682 
      Weird  Vanje   Apr-25-09 09:58 AM   #737 
   Skinner seems to disagree with you . . .  defendandprotect   Apr-24-09 09:11 PM   #646 
   NJMaverick- this reply is a perfect example of a violation of what skinner just posted.  bluedawg12   Apr-24-09 03:03 PM   #392 
      Your whole point is predicated on the issue that there hasn't been anything wrong with DU  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 03:37 PM   #436 
      Another violation of what Skinner just posted.  bluedawg12   Apr-24-09 03:51 PM   #452 
      Was EarlG also violating the policy?  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 03:52 PM   #454 
         "I was just as sick of looking at that crap."- NJM  bluedawg12   Apr-24-09 03:57 PM   #466 
            Yet I made it clear that the crap is gone, that things have greatly improved  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 04:01 PM   #473 
               What "crap" was here and what "crap" was gone and how is that civil dialogue?  bluedawg12   Apr-24-09 04:06 PM   #480 
                  "crap" is the term EarlG used, I am quoting him  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 04:09 PM   #482 
                     That's the term you used. Stand up for what you say, don't hide behind others.  bluedawg12   Apr-24-09 04:36 PM   #511 
                        Yet you are willfully ignoring that I was referring to EarlG who talked about "crap"  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 05:05 PM   #535 
                           "Willfully ignoring?" Those are your words NJmaverick.  bluedawg12   Apr-24-09 06:16 PM   #584 
                              Using that logic, they are now your words  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 06:23 PM   # 
                                 That really wasn't an example of logic, it was fanciful. n/t  bluedawg12   Apr-24-09 06:55 PM   #609 
                                    As is your suggestiong that EarlG's "crap" was my word  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 07:04 PM   #615 
                                    Look up at your own post: "Yet I made it clear that the crap is gone"  bluedawg12   Apr-24-09 08:03 PM   #630 
      And yours is predicated on the idea that "whats wrong with DU"  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 03:55 PM   #463 
      in terms of civility and treating others with respect and avoiding labeling others  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 03:58 PM   #469 
         That seems right to me for this reason.  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 04:16 PM   #485 
            there was a post today that got locked down (thankfully)  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 04:26 PM   #498 
               It sounds like your problem is being handled. Good. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 04:50 PM   #527 
                  Yes it is, which is what I was saying in the first place  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 05:06 PM   #536 
      Great quote! That's what I've been trying to say. No one wants DU to be Fox. Please give link! nt  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 05:23 PM   #550 
      +1 infinity  waiting for hope   Apr-24-09 03:40 PM   #441 
      Wow. +16  NashVegas   Apr-24-09 06:46 PM   #604 
      Exactly bluedawg.  Starry Messenger   Apr-24-09 07:06 PM   #616 
      excellent post  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 07:36 PM   #623 
      Very well said. Thank you. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-24-09 08:20 PM   #635 
      Well-written, timely, and dead-on accurate. Thank you for taking the time.  Political Heretic   Apr-25-09 02:10 AM   #683 
   If they were offered a portable Italian meal on their way out, they'll be back  MADem   Apr-24-09 11:25 AM   #131 
   No- only one did that I know of and she was here for 8 years.  Marrah_G   Apr-24-09 11:46 AM   #151 
   The one that was banned earned it.  Renew Deal   Apr-24-09 12:05 PM   #181 
   ?  uppityperson   Apr-24-09 12:46 PM   #232 
   Which post are you referring to?  Midlodemocrat   Apr-24-09 12:54 PM   #247 
      ...  DevonRex   Apr-24-09 01:27 PM   #293 
         Oh, real nice..I wondered what the  Cha   Apr-24-09 01:43 PM   #308 
         And neither do we.  DevonRex   Apr-24-09 01:49 PM   #312 
            Precisely,  Cha   Apr-24-09 02:00 PM   #323 
         Oh. My. God. That had to have been lifted from a far-right site. A well-earned pizza...  Hekate   Apr-24-09 04:25 PM   #497 
         You KNOW that it was.  Number23   Apr-25-09 02:20 AM   #688 
         Good gravy!!!!!  MADem   Apr-24-09 05:47 PM   #567 
         you guys are kidding, right?  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 01:26 PM   #754 
            You're kidding, right?  yowzayowzayowza   Apr-25-09 03:09 PM   #767 
               didn't notice a link  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 03:33 PM   #771 
                  You responded to a post with nothing but the link.  yowzayowzayowza   Apr-25-09 03:52 PM   #779 
                     ignore it then  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 04:02 PM   #780 
                     So you commented w/o even having looked at it and...  yowzayowzayowza   Apr-25-09 08:09 PM   #809 
                        of course  Two Americas   Apr-26-09 01:23 PM   #878 
                           No, your comment was about "something that we could not brush off and forgive"...  yowzayowzayowza   Apr-26-09 02:38 PM   #896 
                              you know what?  Two Americas   Apr-26-09 03:27 PM   #905 
                                 Which is it?  yowzayowzayowza   Apr-26-09 05:28 PM   #917 
                     ?  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 04:05 PM   #782 
                     Nice  Vanje   Apr-25-09 06:04 PM   #803 
   Why the ascribing of motive or attitude to me?  MADem   Apr-24-09 12:14 PM   #191 
      because whether you mean it to or not that is how your post came across  Marrah_G   Apr-24-09 12:18 PM   #196 
         "Your attitude has been made pretty clear on this thread?"  MADem   Apr-24-09 12:26 PM   #208 
            No offense intended, but your attitude on this thread is crystal clear.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 02:42 PM   #373 
               You are deliberately misrepresenting me for purposes that I can't fathom.  MADem   Apr-24-09 03:07 PM   #397 
               i understood exactly the use of the capital ASS in the post  habitual   Apr-25-09 06:40 AM   #706 
   these blanket attacks  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 02:22 PM   #357 
      What blanket attacks? What are you talking about?  MADem   Apr-24-09 06:52 PM   #608 
         pretty obvious  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 07:29 PM   #620 
            Pretty obvious that you are "talking shit." Shame on you.  MADem   Apr-24-09 07:50 PM   #626 
               lol  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 03:37 PM   #774 
   Name names  Renew Deal   Apr-24-09 12:04 PM   #177 
   No.  Marrah_G   Apr-24-09 12:19 PM   #198 
      Then I don't buy it.  Renew Deal   Apr-24-09 12:30 PM   #212 
         hundreds maybe  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 07:35 PM   #622 
         Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-09 08:40 AM   #724 
         I don't what you buy.  Marrah_G   Apr-25-09 01:44 PM   #756 
            I think that is interesting  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 04:13 PM   #786 
               In the Age of Social Networking, Intellectual Property and Info Wars  NashVegas   Apr-26-09 01:08 PM   #876 
   Sorry to burst your bubble...but we lefties are still here.  earth mom   Apr-24-09 02:50 PM   #381 
   Yup  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 03:23 PM   #418 
   No we're not.  LooseWilly   Apr-25-09 03:00 AM   #693 
   You misunderstood my post  Marrah_G   Apr-25-09 08:33 AM   #716 
   And many more of us have taken to rarer visits  Creideiki   Apr-25-09 04:04 PM   #781 
   Well that was rude. So you interrupt a potentially rational thread with red-baiting.  readmoreoften   Apr-24-09 03:13 PM   #405 
   Like teh attacks against you almost whenever you post  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 03:24 PM   #419 
   "red-baiting"? i think you misunderstand either the poster or the definition.  Hannah Bell   Apr-24-09 03:49 PM   #448 
   I think that you misunderstood the poster. She was defending the lefties. She's one herself.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 03:50 PM   #449 
   I think you completely misunderstood my post  Marrah_G   Apr-25-09 08:39 AM   #722 
      ...and the savaging of many DUers "over there" is disgusting  HughMoran   Apr-25-09 09:09 AM   #725 
         Fortunately no one is forcing you to go to those darn leftie sites.  Marrah_G   Apr-25-09 09:51 AM   #736 
            That was not my point, nice evasion  HughMoran   Apr-25-09 10:03 AM   #739 
               I would consider such a person a troll  TorchTheWitch   Apr-25-09 05:48 PM   #801 
   Why is that a good thing?  caseycoon   Apr-24-09 05:20 PM   #546 
   It's not a good thing.  Marrah_G   Apr-25-09 08:34 AM   #717 
   How is that  Orwellian_Ghost   Apr-24-09 09:18 PM   #648 
   It's not an improvement  Marrah_G   Apr-25-09 08:35 AM   #718 
   What is a lefty?  NoSheep   Apr-25-09 02:45 AM   #691 
      Wikiepedia is your friend.  Marrah_G   Apr-25-09 08:35 AM   #719 
         Clearly, I should have asked: What is YOUR definition of a lefty. But I thought that would  NoSheep   Apr-25-09 01:25 PM   #753 
            I do that way to often!  Marrah_G   Apr-25-09 01:31 PM   #755 
   why re-open the wounds?  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 01:49 PM   #311 
   How is noting an improvement of DU "opening old wounds" or "malicious"?  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 02:25 PM   #360 
      What mind equates policy debate with de facto Dem bashing?  bluedawg12   Apr-24-09 03:17 PM   #409 
      It wouldn't but I think you have to admit there has been both "policy debate"  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 05:08 PM   #539 
         I think this post helps set the rules of conduct.  bluedawg12   Apr-24-09 06:04 PM   #578 
         Are you sure that Obama hasn't just come around on a couple of topics?  LooseWilly   Apr-25-09 03:30 AM   #695 
      here  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 07:42 PM   #625 
   Yes, A very perceptual change and for the better  SlingBlade   Apr-24-09 02:18 PM   #350 
   You're not kiddding...  Carni   Apr-24-09 10:16 AM   #42 
   You haven't met the right opinionated adults  DFW   Apr-24-09 10:40 AM   #83 
   Thanks, Skinner. Can we have threads about chicken in the Lounge again?  flvegan   Apr-24-09 12:16 PM   #194 
   Hah. Wait until they're teenagers.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-24-09 12:23 PM   #204 
   Just breast feed them in the Olive Garden..........oh wait, wrong room  BR_Parkway   Apr-24-09 04:04 PM   #477 
   Is more like trying to herd cats...  niceypoo   Apr-24-09 10:18 PM   #654 
      wow that's a long subthread Ignored started..............  omega minimo   Apr-24-09 10:51 PM   #656 
   That's a very long subthread that began:  omega minimo   Apr-26-09 12:30 AM   #832 
   Sounds good. Thanks for posting.  tekisui   Apr-24-09 09:40 AM   #4 
   That's perfect. Thanks, Skinner.  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 09:41 AM   #5 
   :thumbsup:  mainegreen   Apr-24-09 09:41 AM   #6 
   kicked and recommended  ixion   Apr-24-09 09:42 AM   #8 
   Thank you for the clarity  stillcool   Apr-24-09 09:43 AM   #9 
   Thanks Skinner...  kentuck   Apr-24-09 09:44 AM   #11 
   W is the worst ex President ever...nt  LeftHander   Apr-24-09 09:45 AM   #12 
   He suffers even more when compared to Carter and Clinton  DFW   Apr-24-09 10:45 AM   #91 
   Don't count on it...  Baby Snooks   Apr-24-09 12:54 PM   #246 
      There seem to be hints that he's considering taking a moment to "smell the torture"... before  LooseWilly   Apr-25-09 04:04 AM   #700 
      Don't hold your breath on his canonization  DFW   Apr-25-09 04:11 AM   #702 
   not for the wealthy  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 04:15 PM   #787 
   Thanks. The underlined "very important" sentence  JohnnyLib2   Apr-24-09 09:46 AM   #13 
   My president, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.  TacticalPeek   Apr-24-09 09:46 AM   #14 
   Does this mean that DU will enforce violations of the name-calling rule?  yardwork   Apr-24-09 09:47 AM   #16 
   Yup. See post 13.  JohnnyLib2   Apr-24-09 09:51 AM   #18 
   That doesn't address Yardwork's answer  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Apr-24-09 09:58 AM   #24 
      Mods -- this is Lostinva above, not Haruka  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 10:01 AM   #26 
   Yes, we -- the moderators and administrators -- are going to do what we can.  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 10:07 AM   #35 
   Well, Skinner, I could post dozens of examples that show otherwise.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 10:14 AM   #40 
   +1 -- you posted this as I was writing my response  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 10:18 AM   #44 
   I am well aware that many respectful posts are greeted with rude an obnoxious responses.  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 10:30 AM   #63 
   Oh, no! No THAT!  EFerrari   Apr-24-09 10:34 AM   # 
   Well Skinner, I think that I was known as a very polite and productive member of DU  yardwork   Apr-24-09 10:38 AM   #75 
   Is the use of poutrage and pony against the rules?  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 10:38 AM   #76 
      That would seem to fall in the same category as eyerolling smiley  uppityperson   Apr-24-09 12:48 PM   #236 
         They are perceived very differently.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 01:30 PM   #295 
            Reading the rest of this thread, I see that that has been an issue and I was wrong  uppityperson   Apr-24-09 02:48 PM   #379 
               Thank you. I really appreciate this post.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 02:58 PM   #387 
                  I didn't realize some of the implications, either, until now. You always  DevonRex   Apr-24-09 03:37 PM   #438 
                     Thank you again! It's been awful for gay DUers around here for more than a year.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 03:48 PM   #445 
   I wish this would have been posted before leftchick was banned.  Political Heretic   Apr-24-09 10:31 AM   #66 
   +1  shadowknows69   Apr-24-09 12:02 PM   #175 
   not leftchick!  Fireweed247   Apr-24-09 01:23 PM   #289 
   I don't believe she wants to return.  Marrah_G   Apr-25-09 09:13 AM   #728 
   I agree  leftstreet   Apr-24-09 02:08 PM   #332 
   "I guess you just don't want to see what's happening."  intheflow   Apr-24-09 02:55 PM   #386 
      I've been a mod so I know how it works. I've alerted and written to the mods many times.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 03:04 PM   #393 
         If you were a mod,  intheflow   Apr-24-09 05:31 PM   #556 
            Consensus Is a Funny Thing  NashVegas   Apr-24-09 06:57 PM   #611 
            This is true.  intheflow   Apr-26-09 01:40 PM   #882 
            I've seen it, both  pecwae   Apr-25-09 07:20 AM   #711 
   I respectfully disagree -- certain issues are "poutrage" hot buttons  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 10:17 AM   #43 
   I was called a teabagger the other day.  tekisui   Apr-24-09 10:21 AM   #49 
      I saw that  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 10:23 AM   #51 
      I stood up for you and objected on your behalf.  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Apr-24-09 10:28 AM   #61 
         It's pervasive, all over DU. It leads to anger.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 10:29 AM   #62 
         Yeah  Vanje   Apr-24-09 10:45 AM   #93 
         Well, thank you.  tekisui   Apr-24-09 10:47 AM   #95 
            My pleasure. I had a couple speak up for me when I had an insulting poster  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Apr-24-09 11:10 AM   #115 
   Note that there is an example of what I'm talking about right here in this thread.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 10:19 AM   #46 
   I was appalled when I read that a few minutes ago -- what a "fuck you" to Skinner and us  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 10:24 AM   #54 
   That isn't my experience  Orwellian_Ghost   Apr-24-09 10:32 AM   #68 
   About Iraq  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 10:45 AM   #90 
   That's it--exactly. nt  MADem   Apr-24-09 11:30 AM   # 
   Ding!  RoyGBiv   Apr-24-09 12:40 PM   #222 
   why?  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 02:31 PM   #759 
   What Hamden said, and also  Qutzupalotl   Apr-24-09 11:55 AM   #162 
   Unfortunately that doesn't happen lately.  Marrah_G   Apr-24-09 11:58 AM   #171 
   Established De/liberal posters shouldn't have to do that  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 12:05 PM   #180 
   Nobody has to do that.  Qutzupalotl   Apr-24-09 12:29 PM   #211 
   No, established shouldn't have to do that for "respectful discussion"  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 12:35 PM   #218 
   Nevertheless, here we are.  Qutzupalotl   Apr-24-09 01:03 PM   #259 
   Why should being 'established' give you the chance to be destructive?  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-09 01:16 PM   #279 
   It shouldn't. Even a long-time DUer shouldn't be allowed to call people "a disease."  yardwork   Apr-24-09 02:12 PM   #340 
   That's my question as well  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 02:20 PM   #354 
   I've noticed that problem, too.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 02:43 PM   #375 
   that cat is chasing its own tail  Two Americas   Apr-24-09 04:44 PM   #522 
   Let's recap what was said in this sub-thread:  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-09 05:33 PM   #560 
      misrepresentation  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 01:13 PM   #752 
      What a crock. In this case, MV, actions speak louder than words  omega minimo   Apr-26-09 12:03 AM   #830 
   Some Democrats Are Destructive When It Comes to Progressive Values  NashVegas   Apr-25-09 05:44 PM   #800 
   Established posters have more privileges WRT civility?  HughMoran   Apr-24-09 07:54 PM   #627 
   no  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 04:19 PM   #788 
   Newer posters often  Grateful for HopeDU Moderator   Apr-26-09 01:00 AM   #836 
   There's a Search Function  NashVegas   Apr-25-09 05:34 PM   #798 
   I think this response shows part of the problem at DU  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 02:18 PM   #351 
   Except I didn't say that at all, which you know  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 02:58 PM   #388 
   I doubled checked and that suggestion of saying you are a "dem/liberal" was never made  NJmaverick   Apr-24-09 03:16 PM   #407 
   And the poster/s need to understand it begins with themselves and doesn't have to be earned.  omega minimo   Apr-26-09 12:40 AM   #834 
   the post you replied to, for those reading this very long, constructive discussion:  omega minimo   Apr-26-09 12:37 AM   #833 
   Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-24-09 03:11 PM   #401 
   Do what? Be respectful? Be constructive? Use complete sentences? Refrain from X forum mob attacks?  omega minimo   Apr-26-09 12:28 AM   #831 
   it makes no difference  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 03:47 PM   #776 
   total agreement with the Ghost.  Donnachaidh   Apr-24-09 12:19 PM   #197 
   here's the problem with your assessment:  cali   Apr-24-09 02:08 PM   #334 
   Could you define "you people"? I need to know. I might be one of them. Then again, maybe not.  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Apr-24-09 03:38 PM   #439 
   I'm Definitely One of "You People"  NashVegas   Apr-24-09 07:02 PM   #613 
   "you people?"  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 05:50 PM   #802 
   What the Ghost said/nt  readmoreoften   Apr-24-09 03:24 PM   #422 
   I think it's quite telling that the example you provide is entirely from one side of the fence  Maven   Apr-24-09 11:52 AM   #155 
   Well, the reason I used that particular example...  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 01:00 PM   #255 
      While you're discussing me in the third person, may I comment?  yardwork   Apr-24-09 01:50 PM   #313 
         For the record, my reference to "side of the fence" was not a reference to your sexual orientation.  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 01:55 PM   #317 
            I think that there is no such divide - it's a myth.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 02:03 PM   #328 
               You're okay by me. :)  DevonRex   Apr-24-09 02:09 PM   #336 
               Thank you!  yardwork   Apr-24-09 02:14 PM   #342 
                  And I think you're right. :)  DevonRex   Apr-24-09 02:16 PM   #346 
               Look, when I said "Obama Critics/Obama Defenders divide" I was using rhetorical shorthand.  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 02:28 PM   #363 
                  I have never classified anybody as mindless.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 02:49 PM   #380 
                  Just call it a hunch...  Wednesdays   Apr-24-09 03:48 PM   #446 
                  This is the problem.  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 03:58 PM   #470 
                  Aren't personal attacks against DU rules?  yardwork   Apr-24-09 04:13 PM   #484 
                  I think you know the answer to that.  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 04:26 PM   #500 
                     You started this thread because you perceive a problem with incivility on DU.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 04:34 PM   #508 
                        I think you misunderstand.  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 04:38 PM   #514 
                           Thank you for that clarification. I will take you at your word.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 04:39 PM   #516 
                  So poutrage and Pony AREN'T against the rules  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 04:22 PM   #488 
                  That is not what I said.  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 04:33 PM   #507 
                     Thank you for that clarification. I will resume alerting on them and hope that they will be deleted  yardwork   Apr-24-09 04:37 PM   #512 
                     That is how I read what you said -- if I'm mistaken, I honestly apologize  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 04:43 PM   #521 
                  Rachel Maddow, a gay American, used the "poutrage" word on tee vee.  MADem   Apr-24-09 05:58 PM   #574 
                  Uses of "poutrage" in search results for the term using google.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-24-09 04:26 PM   #499 
                  I wish people would give the benefit of the doubt to those who post  pacalo   Apr-24-09 05:20 PM   #545 
                     Very good post. I agree.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 06:18 PM   #586 
                     Well,  pacalo   Apr-24-09 09:06 PM   #644 
                     Well put. Some are used to a black & white world. And some are afraid to think about the big picture  omega minimo   Apr-24-09 08:39 PM   #640 
                        Yes, I'd love to see constructive, respectful discussions & some humility shown  pacalo   Apr-24-09 09:03 PM   #643 
   I agree, if we keep our language neutral and stay on topic it should not degenerate  bluedawg12   Apr-24-09 03:41 PM   #442 
   BEST Damn Response in this Thread.  Number23   Apr-25-09 02:18 AM   #686 
      Except People Who Defend Obama Aren't the Issue  NashVegas   Apr-26-09 09:34 AM   #859 
   Still didn't get that pony?  No More Bushbots   Apr-24-09 10:16 AM   #41 
      " Still didn't get that pony?" -- thanks for proving Yardwork's point  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 10:20 AM   #47 
      They post with impunity because there are no consequences.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 10:20 AM   #48 
         Enjoy  NashVegas   Apr-25-09 08:11 AM   #715 
      That's helpful.  tekisui   Apr-24-09 10:22 AM   #50 
      If that post is moderated, it will be the very first time.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 10:25 AM   #57 
         ergo my "certain hot-button issues"  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 10:26 AM   # 
         Not true...poutrage is used against anyone with phony outrage  Uzybone   Apr-24-09 11:23 AM   #128 
         Wrong -- it is mainly used against liberal/Dem DUers  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 11:30 AM   #137 
         +1  Midlodemocrat   Apr-24-09 12:49 PM   #238 
         I agree, but I'm also troubled that Obama supporters are called variations of the Hallelujah Chorus  CreekDog   Apr-24-09 01:15 PM   #278 
         Exactly. It has a meaning other than what some are trying to ascribe to it  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 11:36 AM   #142 
         Why do you believe gay rights to be a source of "phony outrage"?  ZombieHorde   Apr-24-09 03:57 PM   #465 
         Strawman. No one ever said that. Try again. nt  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 05:22 PM   #548 
            Poutrage came to DU in the wake of a certian bigot being given a prestigious stage.  ZombieHorde   Apr-24-09 05:57 PM   #573 
         ...yes, indeed  Vanje   Apr-24-09 05:15 PM   #541 
         It is a gay bashing term, used against gay DUers. There are no Republican DUers  Lilith Velkor   Apr-24-09 11:40 AM   #145 
         Thnak you  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 11:58 AM   #168 
         Rachel Maddow used "Poutrage" on her show last night  WonderGrunion   Apr-24-09 02:02 PM   #326 
         Did she? Very interesting  Uzybone   Apr-24-09 02:19 PM   #352 
         context  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 03:36 PM   #772 
         On DU, it's usually a gay-bashing term.  Lilith Velkor   Apr-24-09 02:36 PM   #369 
         It is also used on DU as Feminist bashing! GBLT and Feminist bashing  saracat   Apr-24-09 03:13 PM   #404 
         That is correct. A poster in this very thread continues to accuse us of "phony outrage."  yardwork   Apr-24-09 03:19 PM   #413 
         Because certain issues have ceased to be important and or  saracat   Apr-24-09 03:25 PM   #423 
         so true, saracat. I'm male (gay), but I've seen feminist and GLBT bashing go hand in hand  jesus_of_suburbia   Apr-24-09 05:56 PM   #571 
         Usually? Do you have statistics that demonstrate that?  Common Sense Party   Apr-26-09 01:17 AM   #838 
         Why? Because you say so?  NorthernSpy   Apr-26-09 03:37 PM   #907 
         The context at DU has been to silence LGBT members.  Duncan Grant   Apr-24-09 02:47 PM   #378 
         The term is used on DU in a very specific way to bully gay DUers.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 02:53 PM   #384 
         I've also seen (and experienced) it used to shout down people complaining about racism  fishwax   Apr-24-09 08:31 PM   #638 
            Exactly. n/t  QC   Apr-24-09 09:47 PM   #651 
         Well, look at that. Two perfect examples have arrived.  Maven   Apr-24-09 12:12 PM   #189 
         Your reply shows why changing the tone here will be hard  Uzybone   Apr-24-09 12:36 PM   #219 
            On the contrary, your post in defense of the term "poutrage" as a weapon  Maven   Apr-24-09 12:41 PM   #228 
            Two DU members who don't meet some undefined standard, perhaps?  MADem   Apr-24-09 12:47 PM   #235 
               No, two examples who consistently use anti-social tactics to silence those with whom they disagree.  Maven   Apr-24-09 12:51 PM   #243 
                  How does disagreeing with someone amount to silencing them  Uzybone   Apr-24-09 12:55 PM   #248 
                  Do you continue to believe it is acceptable to belittle those with criticisms  Maven   Apr-24-09 12:56 PM   #252 
                     I do not think people who use Poutrage are doing it to attack homosexuality  Uzybone   Apr-24-09 01:07 PM   #266 
                     Of course, it's  Cha   Apr-24-09 01:55 PM   #316 
                     The term originated, and was popularized here, by a group (yourself included)  Maven   Apr-24-09 02:25 PM   #361 
                     As a gay person, I recognize when I'm being insulted for being gay.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 03:01 PM   #391 
                     Speaking as objectively as I can, I think you're seeing things that aren't there  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 03:15 PM   #406 
                        Yes, your behavior in that thread is a fine example of civility.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 03:24 PM   #421 
                        And what were the topics. I notice you didn't address that at all. nt  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 03:26 PM   #425 
                           What were the topics? You linked to a locked thread full of incivility  yardwork   Apr-24-09 03:27 PM   #426 
                              It was a poutrage thread. The topics were: CIA prisons, economics, slashing military spending  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 03:30 PM   #429 
                                 Nobody disagrees that words have different meanings in different contexts.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 03:31 PM   #430 
                                 So you now agree, poutrage was not a term ...  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 03:34 PM   #434 
                                 that was not the claim  Two Americas   Apr-25-09 04:39 PM   #791 
                        While you may be speaking as objectively "as you can" your constant disdain for LGBT issues  readmoreoften   Apr-24-09 03:54 PM   #460 
                     Adjective parade  Bluenorthwest   Apr-24-09 03:04 PM   #394 
                     Someone had better alert Rachel Maddow NOW!!!!  MADem   Apr-24-09 03:10 PM   #400 
                     A sincere thanks for posting this -- you've proved our point!  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 03:28 PM   #428 
                     First I've ever heard of this accusation  HughMoran   Apr-24-09 07:07 PM   #617 
                        One Must Look At the Usage  NashVegas   Apr-25-09 08:37 AM   #721 
                     The only context that I've seen the word has to do with people who  MADem   Apr-24-09 01:22 PM   #286 
                  I find it best to come right out and say what I mean.  MADem   Apr-24-09 01:13 PM   #274 
         The vast majority of times I have seen the word "poutrage" used was to belittle  ZombieHorde   Apr-24-09 03:54 PM   #461 
            That's certainly how the term was first used on DU. It appears to be crossing over now  yardwork   Apr-24-09 04:48 PM   #525 
            Originally It Was Used to Belittle Clinton Supporters  NashVegas   Apr-25-09 08:40 AM   #723 
         The pizza was delivered and the soil fertilized.  TahitiNut   Apr-24-09 11:33 AM   #140 
         Nothing gets "moderated" until someone hits alert, for the most part.  MADem   Apr-24-09 11:39 AM   #144 
         I was a mod for two terms, so I know how it works.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 11:45 AM   #150 
            Can you see how you might be misinterpreting events?  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 11:51 AM   #154 
            Thank You, Sir  The Magistrate   Apr-24-09 02:55 PM   #385 
               Then perhaps the phrase should be reserved for those who are truly right-wing.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 03:06 PM   #396 
                  That Is Certainly My Practice, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Apr-24-09 03:09 PM   #398 
                     I don't think that you've ever used the term to bully DUers, but others do.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 03:17 PM   #411 
                     I guess it is an eye of the beholder thing  foo_bar   Apr-24-09 06:08 PM   #580 
                        Yes, context is very important. I don't think that you spend a lot of time in the GLBT forum.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 06:21 PM   #589 
                           I've seen a good mix of baiting and schadenfreude  foo_bar   Apr-24-09 07:09 PM   #618 
                     You Sir, have not repeatedly used it to belittle the GBLT community here  Marrah_G   Apr-25-09 09:12 AM   #727 
                     Links?  HamdenRice   Apr-25-09 10:02 AM   #738 
                        Nice try- but no.  Marrah_G   Apr-25-09 10:16 AM   #742 
                           If you look upthread, that post was about CIA prisons, economics, impeachment  HamdenRice   Apr-25-09 10:32 AM   #743 
                     Notes on 'poutrage' given here due to tone of respect  Bluenorthwest   Apr-25-09 10:07 AM   #740 
            Now, see, there ya go.  MADem   Apr-24-09 11:54 AM   #161 
               You didn't see something because there was nothing to see  HamdenRice   Apr-24-09 11:57 AM   #165 
               Hmmm.  MADem   Apr-24-09 12:04 PM   #179 
               You sound excited and confrontational.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 11:57 AM   #166 
               Because I pointed out that you didn't even bother to read what I wrote? nt  MADem   Apr-24-09 12:15 PM   #192 
                  No, it was your use of the words fuck, ass, all-caps, and !!!!!  yardwork   Apr-24-09 01:35 PM   #298 
                     Well, that's inaccurate, too.  MADem   Apr-24-09 02:00 PM   #321 
                        You sound accusatory and defensive. Also, you claim to know what I read and didn't read.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 02:05 PM   #331 
                        Well, they're not. But you have a nice day anyway. nt  MADem   Apr-24-09 02:17 PM   #349 
                        "you're going out of your way to be deliberately hypersensitive"  HughMoran   Apr-24-09 08:04 PM   #631 
               I know you've never seen it, but perhaps you will notice it now  Marrah_G   Apr-24-09 11:58 AM   #167 
                  I'll be on the lookout now, certainly. If you'd like,  MADem   Apr-24-09 12:17 PM   #195 
         I think that's because mocking and abrasiveness is still allowed  CreekDog   Apr-24-09 01:10 PM   #271 
         Not to mention the fact that LGBT DUers have been targeted as racists.  Duncan Grant   Apr-24-09 01:21 PM   #285 
         Yes, and it is often used against anyone who has a criticism  tnlefty   Apr-24-09 08:07 PM   #632 
         " "poutrage"... is used almost entirely against gay DUers and their supporters."...  BlooInBloo   Apr-25-09 03:21 PM   #770 
         Wrong. Dead wrong. I've seen it used countless times on DU  Common Sense Party   Apr-26-09 01:14 AM   #837 
      This person has been banned. (nt)  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 10:34 AM   #70 
      Good, he has been insulting people on here left and right all week  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 10:39 AM   #78 
      Shoot, I always miss the good stuff.  Pacifist Patriot   Apr-24-09 03:20 PM   #414 
         He said Unitarians who live in Florida are Freepers  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 03:32 PM   #432 
            Pphhhfffttt!!!! Cute, very cute.  Pacifist Patriot   Apr-24-09 03:34 PM   #433 
               God made me do it  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 03:37 PM   #437 
                  Got back Sunday night....make that Monday morning.  Pacifist Patriot   Apr-24-09 05:32 PM   #558 
      That person was mild in comparison to some others.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 10:39 AM   #80 
      Thank You, Skinner!!!  tekisui   Apr-24-09 10:49 AM   #96 
      Now that was a Walt-worthy tombstoning!  TK421   Apr-24-09 10:54 AM   #100 
      Thank you. It has been a long week from that one. nt  uppityperson   Apr-24-09 12:51 PM   #242 
      Good!  TorchTheWitch   Apr-24-09 08:08 PM   #633 
      Heres a perfect example  Vanje   Apr-24-09 10:41 AM   #85 
      If I were a mod, I would ban you for this post.  closeupready   Apr-24-09 10:52 AM   #99 
      Here's your hat, what's your hurry?...nt  SidDithers   Apr-24-09 11:58 AM   #170 
      Hire whoever delivered that pizza, will ya? n/t  Donnachaidh   Apr-24-09 12:20 PM   #199 
      Exhibit A n/t  Raineyb   Apr-24-09 12:39 PM   #221 
   K&R  drm604   Apr-24-09 09:50 AM   #17 
   Thank You. Great post.  mikelgb   Apr-24-09 09:51 AM   #19 
   Obviously timely. Bookmarked for use during emergencies.  dixiegrrrrl   Apr-24-09 09:53 AM   #20 
   How will replies of "poutrage" or "you didn't get your pony!" be met by Mods and Admins?  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Apr-24-09 09:56 AM   #21 
   This is Lostinva posting above  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 10:01 AM   #28 
   Very good point.  Redbear   Apr-24-09 10:02 AM   #29 
   I know several who no longer post, or very little because of this  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 10:10 AM   #38 
   It's A Personal Attack, Which Clearly Violates The Rules.  MannyGoldstein   Apr-24-09 10:07 AM   #33 
   I agree with you, but it currently appears to be hit or miss  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 10:08 AM   #36 
   I would use it as a signal to hit the "ignore" button  CreekDog   Apr-24-09 01:27 PM   #292 
      No, that's not fair to people who DO follow the rules  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 03:01 PM   #390 
         hey  CreekDog   Apr-24-09 03:18 PM   #412 
   I think it's just intellectually lazy. Sometimes it also acts like a dog whistle  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Apr-24-09 10:39 AM   #79 
      The "pony" and "poutrage" accusations are designed to dehumanize.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 10:44 AM   #89 
         Perhaps We Should All Be Careful To Flag All Of Those "Pony" Posts  MannyGoldstein   Apr-24-09 01:06 PM   #265 
            I'm in  LostinVA   Apr-24-09 01:18 PM   #280 
            I thought the "ponies" meme was designed to (gently) mock Obama supporters  foo_bar   Apr-25-09 12:59 AM   #672 
   I consider those to be personal attacks.  SkinnerAdmin   Apr-24-09 10:43 AM   #87 
      Thank you very much for asking the moderators to delete personal attacks.  yardwork   Apr-24-09 10:45 AM   #92 
      Thank you!  Marrah_G   Apr-24-09 11:06 AM   #108 
         "Poutrage" is a term I will not miss  CreekDog   Apr-24-09 01:30 PM   #294 
            But we can still use it  polmaven   Apr-24-09 02:31 PM   #364 
   thank you! great "disambiguation"  nashville_brook   Apr-24-09 09:57 AM   #22 
   Excellent post  malaise   Apr-24-09 09:58 AM   #23 
   Thank you Skinner for your clarity. I have seen attacks on both sides and the worst when one  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-24-09 09:59 AM   #25 
   Skinner, can you please keep this pinned?  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-24-09 10:01 AM   #27 
   +1 nt  ZombieHorde   Apr-24-09 04:05 PM   #479 
   k&r. thanks. n/t  orleans   Apr-24-09 10:03 AM   #30 
   Thanks, Skinner! n/t  Spazito   Apr-24-09 10:06 AM   #31 
   It has to be asked--the definition of "supporters"  MADem   Apr-24-09 10:07 AM   #34 
   Hopefully she will resign soon. there is a fantastic progressive candidate ready to run  robinlynne   Apr-24-09 11:12 AM   #116 
   Well, I'd like to see evidence of a crime before she's convicted.  MADem   Apr-24-09 11:19 AM   #121 
      The tapes will not be made public until after the trial which is sheduled to start in June or July.  robinlynne   Apr-24-09 11:28 AM   #133 
      I agree.  LooseWilly   Apr-25-09 03:45 AM   #698 
   P.S. As per Harman, public opinion was against her a long time before  robinlynne   Apr-24-09 11:36 AM   #143 
   I still find it unseemly to convict her before her case has been heard.  MADem   Apr-24-09 11:47 AM   #152 
      ok.  robinlynne   Apr-24-09 11:58 AM   #169 
   I agree with you. We're better than them. Let's not convinct before  DevonRex   Apr-24-09 12:31 PM   #215 
   How about those of us that wish him well in his Presidency, but  Creideiki   Apr-25-09 03:52 PM   #778 
      How do you know that he is "caving in to rightwing extremists?" See, you don't know that.  MADem   Apr-25-09 09:40 PM