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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 08:49 PM
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2. if you have any opinion about this you better know what the "albeido effect" is
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 09:04 PM by populistdriven
We are all the way back to the 1980s when Jim Hansen claimed soot was the cause of glacier melting. No shit. Black shit, albeido, melts away. New snow white more snow more soot back to melt in summer.

But this was not fair to developing nations because US already had the lowest Particulate levels in the developed world and had already passed legislation to reduce further.

Then it was Greenhouse Gases as a whole, then focus on CO2, then Methane was the monster needing most direct curbing. Now with 2008 being a cool year we are back to Black.

In case you do not know who James Hansen is he started with Carbon Black back in 1980s.

It is getting colder, CO2 is still increasing, ice is thickening, and recovering with major increases and James Hansen is saying he saw it all along. Of course this could just be a brief respite.

Even Jim chicken little the sky is falling shows it getting cooler. Look at his graphs and his solar irradiance references at the end of the presentation. He called people that quoted solar irradiance info in the past 10 years deniers.

Again the media doesnt report when the liars are proven wrong, talk double talk out of both sides of their mouths.

The fix is in. This is amazing stuff to watch unfold at the exact time legislation is being drafted and considered on Global Warming and now back stepping to Carbon Black.

Back step. Back Step.. / /

the fact is we don't have enough information to be making predictions as to
1 the cause of global warming
2 the amount of global warming we will have in the next 50 years

how can Obama make sound climate policy if the models show the data we have is not accurate enough? we need better information to make sensible policy

about the only thing we have a consensus on is that those glaciers melted because of soot not CO2

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