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Reply #56: Actually, it's apparent that you DON'T see. [View All]

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56. Actually, it's apparent that you DON'T see.
Edited on Tue Apr-21-09 01:14 PM by TahitiNut
Every rational, law-abiding person incorporates considerations regarding their personal safety into their behavior. We all, to one degree or another, think about what we might do that makes us more or less likely to be the victim of a crime. It's not about "blaming the victim" as much as it is about making choices that are in our own power to make. For example, to be less likely to be the victim of a robbery we might commonly choose to avoid carrying valuables, carrying large amounts of cash, or putting ourselves in situations that make help less likely to intervene. Likewise, women commonly choose more modest clothing and choose well-lighted areas, preferring to remain in the company of others whenever in public. There are many things that we can choose to do in going about our daily lives ... choices that don't excessively infringe upon our liberties.

We cannot, however, CHOOSE not to be black, or change our racial make-up. We cannot reasonably choose to change our gender. And, furthermore, we SHOULD not change our political or religious choices based on fear, since that corrupts the very nature of our civil society. After all, the very definition of "terrorism" is the creation of fear to cause people to modify their political or religious choices.

Thus, a "hate crime" is not only a crime against the single victim of any instance of that crime ... it is ALSO a crime against all members of the class of victim selected! It's NOT the same crime! It's a kind of social TERRORISM. Get that through your $%^&** skull!

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  Racism is Alive and Well in America Soylent Brice  Apr-21-09 12:06 PM   #0 
   I fear that your well made point will end up sinking like a stone  Raineyb   Apr-21-09 12:09 PM   #1 
   i think you're right too, but so it goes.  Soylent Brice   Apr-21-09 12:13 PM   #3 
   I think you're right.  tbyg52   Apr-21-09 12:10 PM   #2 
   not too mention that it's like pulling teeth  Soylent Brice   Apr-21-09 12:15 PM   #4 
      why not just have laws  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:18 PM   #7 
         ...  Soylent Brice   Apr-21-09 12:21 PM   #10 
         and what  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:25 PM   #16 
            it's like i'm talking to a wall.  Soylent Brice   Apr-21-09 12:29 PM   #20 
               If a crime  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:32 PM   #26 
                  do you believe in the possibility that maybe, just maybe, sometimes  Soylent Brice   Apr-21-09 12:37 PM   #32 
                     I see  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:41 PM   #35 
                        i see. so what you're really saying is:  Soylent Brice   Apr-21-09 12:52 PM   #42 
                        hahahahahaha  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 01:00 PM   #50 
                           You are so fucking wrong  CBGLuthier   Apr-21-09 01:51 PM   #75 
                        Actually, it's apparent that you DON'T see.  TahitiNut   Apr-21-09 01:06 PM   #56 
                           you're right  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 01:15 PM   #62 
                           STANDING OVATION  Soylent Brice   Apr-21-09 01:17 PM   #65 
                           It's a kind of social TERRORISM.  conscious evolution   Apr-21-09 03:21 PM   #121 
                           but isn't gang warfare also the same thing?  northzax   Apr-22-09 12:30 PM   #146 
         Hate crime laws DO cover all races -  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-21-09 01:00 PM   #48 
            GMTA (See my post #56.)  TahitiNut   Apr-21-09 01:10 PM   #57 
   At my PUblix I have two AA women, one a manager, one a cashier, with  monmouth   Apr-21-09 12:16 PM   #5 
   excellent example. had a similar conversation at work here last week.  Soylent Brice   Apr-21-09 12:24 PM   #13 
   i don't think that's it, so much. as i remember the freepers talking  Hannah Bell   Apr-21-09 02:43 PM   #114 
   I'm sure they were pleasantly surprised to be wrong.  Raineyb   Apr-21-09 01:10 PM   #59 
   Oh that's exactly what it was. I mean it's not as if we hang around  monmouth   Apr-21-09 01:32 PM   #72 
   You're not alone, I'd say the same thing out loud. And I do.  Sequoia   Apr-21-09 02:31 PM   #108 
   Your claim to be white doesn't validate anything.  laureloak   Apr-21-09 03:13 PM   #120 
      Get a grip okay??? You obviously missed my point..n/t  monmouth   Apr-21-09 03:47 PM   #127 
      I didn't miss your point at all, but you seem to have missed mine.  laureloak   Apr-21-09 05:02 PM   #136 
         I don't see that at all.  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-22-09 12:21 PM   #145 
      The "divide" is no longer between black and white as much as it's ...  TahitiNut   Apr-21-09 04:24 PM   #130 
         I see anti-white threads on here every day. Time to stop it. n/t  laureloak   Apr-21-09 05:03 PM   #137 
   hahaha  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:16 PM   #6 
   States rights? Limiting power and scope of government?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 12:19 PM   #8 
   srsly?  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:22 PM   #11 
   YA RLY.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 12:24 PM   #14 
      maybe because it's  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:28 PM   #18 
      You mean beside fucking redneck racist shitbags?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 01:47 PM   #73 
      it was about money & power. slavery second-hand to the money & power,  Hannah Bell   Apr-21-09 01:56 PM   #78 
         It was about slavery, period.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 01:59 PM   #80 
            omg  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:02 PM   #84 
            Oh, it is a fact.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 02:05 PM   #86 
               srsly r u srsly  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:06 PM   #88 
                  Look it up yourself.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 02:07 PM   #90 
                     by whom  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:09 PM   #92 
                        Do you own this book?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 02:26 PM   #101 
                           i dunno  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:30 PM   #107 
            the slavery supported one faction's money & power. if not for the $,  Hannah Bell   Apr-21-09 02:11 PM   #95 
            Georgias letter of seccession  conscious evolution   Apr-21-09 03:37 PM   #125 
            I thought it was about preserving the union?  JonLP24   Apr-21-09 05:06 PM   #138 
               Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union because the South seceded over slavery.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 05:12 PM   #141 
      You're really arguing  ohheckyeah   Apr-21-09 02:43 PM   #113 
         Exactly - there may have been many other issues involved, but  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-21-09 04:27 PM   #131 
            Of course it was.  ohheckyeah   Apr-21-09 04:45 PM   #133 
      And since most of the men who fought in the Civil War didn't own  Kalyke   Apr-21-09 12:59 PM   #47 
      history  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 01:04 PM   #54 
      I think you would need to learn it.  Kalyke   Apr-21-09 01:10 PM   #58 
         yes  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 01:16 PM   #64 
      The rights for states to own slaves was their issue.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 01:48 PM   #74 
      taxes  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:00 PM   #82 
         Taxes were no major issue leading to the Civil War...  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 02:04 PM   #85 
            srsly r u srsly  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:07 PM   # 
            lol  d_b   Apr-21-09 02:30 PM   #105 
            Obviously, as the vast majority of them have just gotten tax CUTS,  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-21-09 04:53 PM   #135 
      Don't make the common mistake of thinking the rationales given to the cannon fodder are ...  TahitiNut   Apr-21-09 02:10 PM   #93 
      Most of the men who fought  conscious evolution   Apr-21-09 03:43 PM   #126 
      Slavery wasn't the only issue of the Civil War  Chisox08   Apr-21-09 05:40 PM   #142 
      Taxes had little to do with the start of the Civil War  Thothmes   Apr-21-09 07:47 PM   #143 
      It makes no difference if they DID own slaves or not.  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-22-09 12:10 PM   #144 
      Careful with that.  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-21-09 01:05 PM   #55 
   Absolutely right  conscious evolution   Apr-21-09 03:27 PM   #123 
   Uh, you're kidding, right.....? nt  tbyg52   Apr-21-09 12:25 PM   #15 
   not kidding  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:28 PM   #19 
   Then where were these nuts during the past 7 yrs.?  tnlefty   Apr-21-09 12:30 PM   #22 
   partisanship  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:35 PM   #28 
   So it was partianship that kept them from giving a damn about  tnlefty   Apr-21-09 12:48 PM   #39 
      that's a better  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:49 PM   #40 
         don't believe anyone called them "ALL" racists.  Soylent Brice   Apr-21-09 12:54 PM   #44 
         your going on speculation  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 01:03 PM   #52 
            Have you seen the signs from the 'tea-parties'?  stillcool   Apr-21-09 01:12 PM   #60 
               no  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 01:17 PM   #66 
                  They are the same people...  stillcool   Apr-21-09 01:20 PM   #68 
                     found a  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 01:23 PM   #71 
                        well I found a few that had to do with taxes  stillcool   Apr-21-09 02:21 PM   #99 
         Maybe not all, just 98.9999999% are racially motivated.  tnlefty   Apr-21-09 12:54 PM   #45 
   not about the puppets, but the puppetmasters.  Hannah Bell   Apr-21-09 02:00 PM   #83 
      I suppose we remember it a little differently. I remember  tnlefty   Apr-21-09 03:03 PM   #119 
   you're a fool if you think that's what it's all about-  Bluerthanblue   Apr-21-09 12:30 PM   #23 
   oh please history buff  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:35 PM   #29 
      I'd be more than happy to  Bluerthanblue   Apr-21-09 02:44 PM   #115 
   Wow. I was about to post the same thing.  TahitiNut   Apr-21-09 12:34 PM   #27 
   education in America  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:36 PM   #31 
      Cute. So, anyone who disagrees with you is young and ignorant, huh?  TahitiNut   Apr-21-09 12:40 PM   #34 
      thanks  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:43 PM   #37 
         i feel honored that you  Soylent Brice   Apr-21-09 12:50 PM   #41 
            appreciate that  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 12:54 PM   #43 
               It's revisionist history with racial undertones.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 01:52 PM   #76 
      If the issue was NOT slavery, why is it that only slave states turned traitor?  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-21-09 01:13 PM   #61 
         Coincidence? They were more "attuned" to Constitutional values and civil liberties?  TahitiNut   Apr-21-09 01:16 PM   #63 
         maybe  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 01:20 PM   #69 
            The ones that kicked racist South ass.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 01:54 PM   #77 
               racism, for the south only :rofl:  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:05 PM   #87 
                  Oh, I never said is was only in the south.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 02:07 PM   #89 
                  you =  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:08 PM   #91 
                     Not at all.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 02:28 PM   #103 
                  "So that there are African Americans in bondage well into the antebellum era."  TahitiNut   Apr-21-09 02:27 PM   #102 
                     she was referring to northern states  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:35 PM   #109 
                     I think she was using it correctly if you correct the punctuation in  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-21-09 04:10 PM   #129 
   Then explain the Fugitive Slave Act.  NorthernSpy   Apr-21-09 01:02 PM   #51 
   Let's not forget the "Missouri Compromise."  TahitiNut   Apr-21-09 01:22 PM   #70 
   States don't have rights  WeDidIt   Apr-21-09 02:10 PM   #94 
   limited only in regards to  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:19 PM   #98 
      And powers delegated to the federal government  WeDidIt   Apr-21-09 02:25 PM   #100 
         obviously  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:30 PM   #104 
         Wrong  WeDidIt   Apr-21-09 04:46 PM   #134 
         obviously  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:30 PM   #106 
   The Declaration of Causes of Secession say otherwise.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-21-09 02:12 PM   #96 
   for which state?  pnutbutr   Apr-21-09 02:16 PM   #97 
      All four of them: Georgia, Mississippi, S. Carolina and Texas list slavery as their cause.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-21-09 02:38 PM   #111 
      Also, not every state that seceded published their causes.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-21-09 02:39 PM   #112 
   So after 8 years of trampling on states rights,  EOTE   Apr-21-09 02:50 PM   #116 
   "denying rights to others"  ieoeja   Apr-21-09 05:11 PM   #140 
   Example?  ieoeja   Apr-21-09 05:06 PM   #139 
   What I like about these threads...  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-21-09 12:20 PM   #9 
   and BINGO was his name-o.  Soylent Brice   Apr-21-09 12:26 PM   #17 
   lol  barbtries   Apr-21-09 12:36 PM   #30 
   They can't help themselves.  AspenRose   Apr-21-09 12:59 PM   #46 
   Indeed. n/t  Raineyb   Apr-21-09 01:03 PM   #53 
   degenerated???`  Froward69   Apr-21-09 12:22 PM   #12 
   racism  Peace_Sells   Apr-21-09 12:29 PM   #21 
   Once upon a time, many thought that a synonym for "liberal" was "n_____-lover."  TahitiNut   Apr-21-09 12:37 PM   #33 
      I believe you're right. nt  raccoon   Apr-21-09 01:00 PM   #49 
   i completely agree. nt  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-21-09 12:31 PM   #24 
   caveat:  barbtries   Apr-21-09 12:31 PM   #25 
   no shit?  datasuspect   Apr-21-09 12:42 PM   #36 
   me too  La Lioness Priyanka   Apr-21-09 12:43 PM   #38 
   I guess you forgot the vermont secessionist and alaska secessionist movements  cbc5g   Apr-21-09 01:19 PM   #67 
   Was going to say same thing  Fendius   Apr-21-09 02:37 PM   #110 
   I haven't forgotten, but there is  Bluerthanblue   Apr-21-09 02:58 PM   #118 
   when was Vermont?  hfojvt   Apr-21-09 03:32 PM   #124 
   First thing I said when I heard secession - "Who knew one black man in a white house could  Maru Kitteh   Apr-21-09 01:58 PM   #79 
   No Shit. K & R  mudesi   Apr-21-09 02:00 PM   #81 
   I agree  Two Americas   Apr-21-09 02:54 PM   #117 
   You forgot the second time was actually in the mid sixties during the Civil Rights struggle  Taverner   Apr-21-09 03:23 PM   #122 
   I always wonder why..  butterfly77   Apr-21-09 03:55 PM   #128 
   It's the violent last gasp of bigotry against African-Americans  Odin2005   Apr-21-09 04:42 PM   #132 
 

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