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Sun Apr-01-07 02:23 AM
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| 65. No, what's silly is you're applying my statement to you when it doesn't apply |
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Even the absence of a belief system is a belief system. If you believe you don't believe, you're still believing
something. That's Zen 101.
But if your belief system is not fundamentalist, then I'm not talking about you.
If you come from a standpoint of true non-belief, then you're not weighing in and proclaiming that you, as Dawkins,
have the answers to everything. Fundamentalist atheists absolutely have a fundamental belief system, if you come
from the perspective that science has answered the *fundaments* of all of existence, everything is explicable and there
is no place for other perspectives. That's every bit as fundamentalist, authoritarian and Old Testament-like a "god"
as any far-right fundie Christian's.
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| -NEWSWEEK: 27% of atheists& agnostics think God guided evolution; 13% say God made us as we are |
Bucky |
Mar-31-07 04:56 PM |
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Is Pascal's Wager making a comeback? |
Kutjara |
Mar-31-07 05:00 PM |
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The ultimate CYA. |
karlrschneider |
Mar-31-07 05:02 PM |
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I'm a dyslexic atheist. |
Dr.Phool |
Mar-31-07 05:39 PM |
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I'm a dyslexic theist... |
Bucky |
Mar-31-07 05:50 PM |
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The Santa Clause is a corollary of Pascal's Wager. |
karlrschneider |
Mar-31-07 05:52 PM |
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No. eom |
varkam |
Mar-31-07 05:28 PM |
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Maybe it's proof that 30% of the given population is an error ratio? ;) N/T |
ends_dont_justify |
Mar-31-07 05:50 PM |
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I'd like to think so, but given the 30 percenters... |
Kutjara |
Mar-31-07 05:59 PM |
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Fundamentalist Athiests |
DCKit |
Mar-31-07 05:00 PM |
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"Fundamentalist atheists?" |
Warpy |
Mar-31-07 05:20 PM |
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It doesn't actually mean anything. |
varkam |
Mar-31-07 05:29 PM |
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Apparently so |
Warpy |
Mar-31-07 06:57 PM |
#46 |
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Of course there's a holy writ and tradition to atheism |
melody |
Mar-31-07 05:43 PM |
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Sorry |
Warpy |
Mar-31-07 06:56 PM |
#45 |
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No, what's silly is you're applying my statement to you when it doesn't apply |
melody |
Apr-01-07 02:23 AM |
#65 |
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Your statement was in reply to my post |
Warpy |
Apr-01-07 11:24 AM |
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Very typical of a fundamentalist thinker |
melody |
Apr-01-07 02:57 PM |
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I hope you're joking |
Canuckistanian |
Mar-31-07 07:53 PM |
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self delete |
Robbien |
Mar-31-07 05:02 PM |
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well, considering that 27% of Atheists/Agnostics... |
progdonkey |
Mar-31-07 05:08 PM |
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Sounds like 27% of respondents were too embarrassed to admit |
hlthe2b |
Mar-31-07 05:16 PM |
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My thoughts exactly.... |
ClintonTyree |
Mar-31-07 06:55 PM |
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Agnostics think there is something out there at the start of the universe. Could |
applegrove |
Mar-31-07 05:12 PM |
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The belief that some intelligence started the whole shebang... |
Kutjara |
Mar-31-07 05:20 PM |
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I lumped them together b/c Newsweek lumped them together. Newsweek did so because... |
Bucky |
Mar-31-07 05:20 PM |
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Yup. Weird little poll. |
applegrove |
Mar-31-07 05:29 PM |
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Ayup |
charlie |
Mar-31-07 05:37 PM |
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That's probably it |
bananas |
Mar-31-07 07:14 PM |
#49 |
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Agnostics think there is no proof |
Zensea |
Mar-31-07 06:02 PM |
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Thanks for going into detail. I was being vague to make a point. I've never |
applegrove |
Mar-31-07 06:11 PM |
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Agnosticism is the expression of a lack of knowledge.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-31-07 06:12 PM |
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"Can I assume that there's some error in the polling methodology?" |
Wiley50 |
Mar-31-07 05:17 PM |
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What difference does anyone's opinion of God or evolution |
theoldman |
Mar-31-07 05:19 PM |
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The difference is in what they know versus a personal hunch |
melody |
Mar-31-07 05:27 PM |
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Evolution is a natural process that is incredibly well supported by empircal evidence |
varkam |
Mar-31-07 05:33 PM |
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Yeh, but you have to admit that they're shitty at marketing compared to Creationists |
Bucky |
Mar-31-07 05:56 PM |
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I don't think it's a problem with marketing at all |
varkam |
Mar-31-07 08:39 PM |
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You can't ignore inconvenient facts and then criticize fundies for doing the same. |
Bucky |
Apr-01-07 03:03 PM |
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Why is it then |
varkam |
Apr-02-07 09:47 AM |
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Got to blame the agnostics here. |
rug |
Mar-31-07 05:32 PM |
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In fact, you should be blaming the Clenis |
Bucky |
Mar-31-07 05:57 PM |
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too true |
ComerPerro |
Apr-01-07 12:12 AM |
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Those probably were agnostics - people who think there is |
Clark2008 |
Mar-31-07 05:44 PM |
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I wonder how many bible-thumping fundamentalists don't believe in god? |
baldguy |
Mar-31-07 05:48 PM |
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Peer Pressure turning the religious to agnostic/atheist - interesting :-) |
papau |
Mar-31-07 05:48 PM |
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Doubt it |
charlie |
Mar-31-07 06:09 PM |
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Maybe people who aren't religious, but aren't true Agnostics, |
Eric J in MN |
Mar-31-07 06:04 PM |
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I think the margin of error in this nation |
symbolman |
Mar-31-07 06:06 PM |
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ATHEISTS believe God guided evolution? |
jmowreader |
Mar-31-07 06:06 PM |
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I'm guessing the latter |
WindRavenX |
Mar-31-07 06:10 PM |
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They probably just muddled the categories. But still, it invites a closer look at their work |
Bucky |
Mar-31-07 06:30 PM |
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how can something or someone you don't believe guide anything? |
chimpsrsmarter |
Mar-31-07 06:15 PM |
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You mean outside of the Republican party, right? |
Bucky |
Mar-31-07 06:31 PM |
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Apparently the Newsweek pollsters are idiots. n/t |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-31-07 06:16 PM |
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The question is more than 12 words long. |
Warren Stupidity |
Mar-31-07 06:47 PM |
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That statement was written at a post-grad level? |
WindRavenX |
Mar-31-07 06:53 PM |
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I just report what the numbers are. |
Warren Stupidity |
Apr-01-07 10:02 AM |
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I barely graduated from high school and I had no problem understanding the question.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-31-07 07:01 PM |
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Yeh, but you read printed words. They heard those words over the phone just once. |
Bucky |
Mar-31-07 07:18 PM |
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Good point... |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-31-07 09:55 PM |
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also, respondents were probably cold-called |
Bill McBlueState |
Apr-01-07 09:08 PM |
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According to the poll |
edhopper |
Mar-31-07 07:07 PM |
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That may be because the other categories are too small to subdivide meaningfully |
muriel_volestrangler |
Apr-03-07 08:52 AM |
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More proof that these polls are dumb. |
SmokingJacket |
Mar-31-07 07:17 PM |
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Is Princeton Survey Research Associates in any way affiliated |
Phredicles |
Mar-31-07 07:30 PM |
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Since Atheists/Agnostics were only 10% of those polled ... |
TahitiNut |
Mar-31-07 07:46 PM |
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I assume the self-described Agnostics are responsible for the |
Marr |
Mar-31-07 07:55 PM |
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Religious zealots screwing with the poll, Sorry, but atheists, agnostics aren't that stupid. n/t |
ToeBot |
Mar-31-07 09:49 PM |
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Ditto your advice n/t |
Synnical |
Mar-31-07 09:56 PM |
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They must all have Bush for a last name... |
paparush |
Mar-31-07 10:05 PM |
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Although it's a controversial topic in Atheism |
cgrindley |
Mar-31-07 11:26 PM |
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Interesting.. |
Jonathan50 |
Apr-01-07 08:32 AM |
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It merits a chapter in Dawkins' latest book |
cgrindley |
Apr-01-07 05:39 PM |
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My Gods! That's why I don't believe in polls (any more than God) |
The Count |
Mar-31-07 11:42 PM |
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how did they classify non-Christians who were not agnostic or atheist? |
ComerPerro |
Apr-01-07 12:13 AM |
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It looks like they oversampled members of the Atheists for Jesus organization |
Telly Savalas |
Apr-01-07 10:11 AM |
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Even an atheist is required to go on faith at some point |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Apr-01-07 10:18 AM |
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er, uh, no. |
Warren Stupidity |
Apr-01-07 07:38 PM |
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there are tons of scientists working on these problems |
Bill McBlueState |
Apr-01-07 09:12 PM |
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The polling population was flawed unless they were also trying to target those who are believers but |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-01-07 10:19 AM |
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That's got to be the dumbest statement I've ever seen |
shrike |
Apr-01-07 10:22 AM |
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Shorter headline: Americans are batshitfucking stupid. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-01-07 03:05 PM |
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Looks like the answer came from mixing Atheists and Agnostics |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-01-07 03:12 PM |
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I could believe that many agnostics hold that as a possibility... |
MN Against Bush |
Apr-01-07 06:01 PM |
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I'm so confused! |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-01-07 07:47 PM |
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agnostics and athiests are entirely different. Agnostics have no/little faith. Atheists do |
w4rma |
Apr-01-07 09:19 PM |
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"Guided evolution" = Intelligent Design |
Lars39 |
Apr-01-07 09:21 PM |
#84 |
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