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Reply #11: Partly, they don't figure they could ever be the ones being tortured [View All]

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11. Partly, they don't figure they could ever be the ones being tortured
I don't know if I'm just weird -- but there has been more than one period over the years when I've spent a considerable amount of time asking myself how I would react if this country ever went full-on totalitarian and the price for simply speaking out included the possibility of arrest, torture, even death. Would I continue to speak up and take that risk? Or would I duck and hide?

It's one of those questions I pull out every decade or so, chew over for a while, and then tuck away again -- because I've never come up with a definitive answer. I guess nobody really knows how they'd act in that sort of situation unless it actually happens.

But the one thing I have concluded for sure is that the very existence of torture is incompatible with a free and open society. Whether it's 17th century freethinkers expressing their most heretical insights only in code for fear of the Inquisition, or 19th century Italian patriots cheering operas that were thinly veiled allegories of their oppression by the Austrian Empire, torture forces authentic thought and feeling underground at best -- or makes them unutterable at worst.

That is why torture becomes the defining issue. In its absence, all other issues are on the table and can be freely debated and resolved. In its presence, all other issues become taboo.

But for the Peggy Noonans and George Wills of this world, that isn't the case. In their privileged enclaves they -- or their historical equivalents -- have always been able to speak freely among their fellows without fear of reprisal. In effect, the greatest perk of the kind of stratified society which tends to be created and sustained by torture is the right to act and speak as though torture does not exist.

And that, quite simply, is why Will and Noonan have no clue as to what is at stake here -- and no right to speak in the name of the people of this country.

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  Peggy Noonan Regrets Release of Torture Memos: “Some of Life Has to Be Mysterious” babylonsister  Apr-19-09 06:53 PM   #0 
   She is another one that doesn't want to "trouble her beautiful mind"  annabanana   Apr-19-09 06:54 PM   #1 
   Of course they don't want the world to know what their precious Bushy  dkf   Apr-19-09 06:55 PM   #2 
   Trouble is, the rest of the world did know - we were the only ones  Booster   Apr-19-09 07:02 PM   #4 
   let's torture peggy and keep it quiet  spanone   Apr-19-09 07:02 PM   #3 
   This isn't a matter of punishing criminals...  yella_dawg   Apr-19-09 07:03 PM   #5 
   One of life's mysteries is how Noonan appears to be alive without even having  mbperrin   Apr-19-09 07:04 PM   #6 
   Hard to believe  noise   Apr-19-09 07:04 PM   #7 
   I wonder if she sweeps all the dirt under the rugs at her house, too.  tanyev   Apr-19-09 07:34 PM   #8 
   Peggy sweep? You're kiddin', right?! nt  babylonsister   Apr-19-09 08:26 PM   #9 
   Great nations don't torture. We will once again be a great nation.  Faryn Balyncd   Apr-19-09 09:09 PM   #10 
   Partly, they don't figure they could ever be the ones being tortured  starroute   Apr-19-09 09:24 PM   #11 
   "Some of Life Has to Be Mysterious"... Such as, why does anyone think  CAG   Apr-19-09 09:49 PM   #12 
   What a sick, sick woman.  Odin2005   Apr-19-09 09:51 PM   #13 
 

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