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18. The terrible and tragic background for these astounding events,
is that people are being scammed and either don't know it or are comfortable with it as long as a lot of other people are getting scammed, as well.

The same b.s. happened here in St. Louis, with years and years of the greedy manipulators, in collusion with the leaders, convincing the public that the new stadium would be a financial bonanza for everybody within a hundred miles. Not so, in practice.

At Scott air base, base housing was adequate but not outstanding and had a long history of complaints from its temporary occupants. Millions of dollars were spent on upgrading and adding facilities, including major improvements to the housing itself.
During that time the wild hares of local government decided that a magnificent new joint use jet terminal and airport was just the thing the area needed, as an attempt to attract the bulk of the St. Louis airport business. A requirement of the new airport was leveling and removing the base housing that had just had many millions of taxpayers' funds spent on it.

This under utilized facility still sits there, a sprawling airport behemoth on the Illinois prairie, billions invested, and no one particularly interested in using it, due to its remoteness in relationship to St. Louis area business.

The scamming goes on and, yes, these public giveaways to big business were instituted primarily by republicker pushers and shakers.
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  -Taxpayers last to benefit from stadiums proud2Blib  Mar-31-07 01:03 AM   #0 
  - No shit! ... Recommended  Bozita   Mar-31-07 01:07 AM   #1 
  - In the winter, when the trees are bare, I can stand on the playground at my school  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 01:18 AM   #5 
     - Amen! ... Amen! ... Amen!  Bozita   Mar-31-07 01:29 AM   #10 
     - Let the pro players buy the damn stadium if they want it so badly  silverojo   Mar-31-07 02:53 AM   #17 
     - The Chiefs want a roof? Our Twin Cities Metrodome HAS a roof, but  CLW   Apr-01-07 12:48 AM   #70 
  - "22 men in desperate need of rest, and 50,000 people in desperate need of exercise"  Ron_Green   Mar-31-07 01:07 AM   #2 
  - Ain't this the truth.  riverdeep   Apr-01-07 01:03 PM   #77 
  - I heard that the rental car system is often jacked up w/fees in order to pay for stadiums  EVDebs   Mar-31-07 01:12 AM   #3 
  - I believe that is how they are paying for our new arena here  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 01:20 AM   #6 
     - That's $14,200 per seat. How long, how many events to pay it off?  Bozita   Mar-31-07 01:58 AM   #14 
        - Yes this one is replacing another one that is just fine  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 08:40 AM   #31 
  - University Of Alabama recently did a $100 million upgrade...  Syrinx   Mar-31-07 01:13 AM   #4 
  - Pro sports teams are better extortionists  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 01:21 AM   #7 
     - And college sports are more fun anyway  Syrinx   Mar-31-07 01:28 AM   #9 
        - We have both pro and college sports here  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 09:09 AM   #39 
        - Well, college football is really minor-league football, and college basketball minor-league Bball.  kath   Mar-31-07 11:45 PM   #63 
           - You said it your self "big-bucks"  RL3AO   Mar-31-07 11:58 PM   #65 
           - In Alabama, those thoughts would elicit horror**nm  misanthrope   Apr-01-07 12:51 AM   #71 
           - why don't you try to constructively change the political climate in Alabama?  Syrinx   Apr-01-07 02:30 AM   #73 
              - Where's your sense of humor?...  misanthrope   Apr-01-07 04:53 PM   #83 
                 - sounds a bit like the Ann Coulter sense of humor  Syrinx   Apr-02-07 01:58 AM   #84 
                    - Gimme a break...  misanthrope   Apr-02-07 03:03 AM   #85 
                       - I don't know you either, but you have a lot of hate  Syrinx   Apr-02-07 03:51 AM   #86 
           - speaking (unofficially) for the University Of Alabama  Syrinx   Apr-01-07 02:25 AM   #72 
  - I'm still paying for the Kingdome in Seattle and  Suich   Mar-31-07 01:28 AM   #8 
  - at least we got some cool video  Syrinx   Mar-31-07 01:30 AM   #11 
     - speaking of which, video here:  ComerPerro   Mar-31-07 01:51 AM   #13 
        - excellent!  Syrinx   Mar-31-07 02:03 AM   #15 
  - But civic pride makes up for that  Oeditpus Rex   Mar-31-07 01:48 AM   #12 
  - Sounds like Junior's scam with the Texas Rangers  Lasher   Mar-31-07 02:51 AM   #16 
  - Not only that, but Bush's name allowed the group to steal a bunch  Nay   Mar-31-07 05:37 AM   #19 
  - for more info on the Rangers' deal ...  cosmicdot   Mar-31-07 10:25 PM   #56 
     - Thanks for the good scoop  Lasher   Apr-01-07 03:28 AM   #75 
  - The terrible and tragic background for these astounding events,  EST   Mar-31-07 03:36 AM   #18 
  - And since you all in St Louis got state funding to pay for your stadiums,  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 08:43 AM   #32 
     - You betcha!  EST   Mar-31-07 03:03 PM   #54 
  - Well duh, the mark isn't SUPPOSED to profit  youngdem   Mar-31-07 07:16 AM   #20 
  - BEST response yet!  annabanana   Mar-31-07 07:57 AM   #24 
  - MIke Lupica wrote a book about this  wilt the stilt   Mar-31-07 07:46 AM   #21 
  - Replacement for Yankee Stadium in the Bronx was sold to New Yorkers  no_hypocrisy   Mar-31-07 07:54 AM   #22 
  - It's time for the Sports cartels to pay their own way..  annabanana   Mar-31-07 07:56 AM   #23 
  - Time for the art cartels to pay their own way too  Rage for Order   Mar-31-07 11:50 AM   #52 
  - I've always gotten a kick...  sendero   Mar-31-07 08:03 AM   #25 
  - There should be a "team has to win" clause  Bill McBlueState   Mar-31-07 08:07 AM   #26 
  - And do what the Minnesota Twins did...  HypnoToad   Mar-31-07 08:10 AM   #28 
  - But The Chiefs haven't won a Super Bowl in 37 years!!  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 08:48 AM   #33 
     - that's what's so odd about the Chiefs  Bill McBlueState   Mar-31-07 11:08 AM   #51 
  - The sky is also blue unless there is a thunderstorm, in which case the sky is dark gray.  HypnoToad   Mar-31-07 08:08 AM   #27 
  - welfare for the poor is bad; welfare for the rich is GOOD  alarimer   Mar-31-07 10:02 AM   #43 
  - In Pittsburgh, they Built TWO stadiums: One for the Pirates, One for the Steelers....  Junkdrawer   Mar-31-07 08:10 AM   #29 
  - LOL That is Kansas City's fault you know  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 08:52 AM   #34 
  - And if you recall, there was a ballot referendum about  PA Democrat   Mar-31-07 09:08 AM   #38 
  - This is one thing that drives me bonkers.  JackDragna   Mar-31-07 08:33 AM   #30 
  - The Chiefs meet their budget with TV revenues alone!!  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 09:01 AM   #36 
  - Thanks for the link, looks informative.  eppur_se_muova   Mar-31-07 06:08 PM   #55 
  - No big surprise to me, but if it's in Business Week, it may open some official civic eyes.  blondeatlast   Mar-31-07 09:00 AM   #35 
  - What big businesses are you referring to?  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 09:04 AM   #37 
     - I'm not sure, but there were no teams behind the Sprint Center.  Telly Savalas   Mar-31-07 09:41 AM   #42 
     - Sprint is losing money big time  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 10:20 AM   #45 
     - Whatever corporation named the AZ Cardinals stadium this week, Chase Bank, US Airways for starters.  blondeatlast   Mar-31-07 10:07 AM   #44 
        - But how do they profit from having their name on a stadium?  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 10:21 AM   #46 
           - How could they not? Advertising, PR, oodles of cushy box seats, etc.  blondeatlast   Mar-31-07 10:29 AM   #49 
              - So will we see an end here to the massive Sprint layoffs  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 10:42 AM   #50 
  - Nashville TN gave about 300 million for Titans & stadium.  spanone   Mar-31-07 09:13 AM   #40 
  - I don't think the taxpayers who paid for Arrowhead in KC EVER get to use it  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 10:22 AM   #47 
  - Its garbage, here in KC, Jackson County gets to fund stadiums that only JoCo can afford to go to.  newportdadde   Mar-31-07 09:28 AM   #41 
  - I am one of those 'yuppies' in Johnson County and I detest this argument  proud2Blib   Mar-31-07 10:28 AM   #48 
  - Could use a few hundred million in Ohio to improve water pollution control  TheBorealAvenger   Mar-31-07 12:16 PM   #53 
  - That Is Ever So True ...  USA_1   Mar-31-07 11:01 PM   #57 
  - Whats this world class hockey arena in Minneapolis?  RL3AO   Mar-31-07 11:27 PM   #59 
     - You talking about the Met? IIRC, that place was demolished when they built the Mall of America.  JonathanChance   Apr-01-07 02:42 AM   #74 
     - Try the Target Center ...  USA_1   Apr-01-07 12:43 PM   #76 
        - Better than MSG? Yeah right.  RL3AO   Apr-01-07 02:16 PM   #80 
  - Google: Curtis-Mathes Bush  SoCalDem   Mar-31-07 11:24 PM   #58 
  - Bull pucky  cgrindley   Mar-31-07 11:35 PM   #60 
  - I agree. Cant wait for the new Twins stadium.  RL3AO   Mar-31-07 11:37 PM   #61 
     - It's a shame  cgrindley   Mar-31-07 11:42 PM   #62 
        - BTW...I hate the Yankees.  RL3AO   Mar-31-07 11:56 PM   #64 
           - Is there anything better than baseball?  cgrindley   Apr-01-07 12:09 AM   #66 
              - In Minnesota, hockey is up there. But I still prefer baseball.  RL3AO   Apr-01-07 12:11 AM   #67 
                 - I was a lifelong Canucks fan  cgrindley   Apr-01-07 12:16 AM   #68 
                    - Canucks fan? Now I really hate you.  RL3AO   Apr-01-07 12:21 AM   #69 
  - Last? I didn't realize we were even in line at all! Fuck the Sonics - let em leave - greedy bastards  BlooInBloo   Apr-01-07 01:12 PM   #78 
  - This is really a question of what  riverdeep   Apr-01-07 01:28 PM   #79 
  - It has so much popularity because...  RL3AO   Apr-01-07 02:21 PM   #81 
  - Sidebar to this topic but it's interesting...  libnnc   Apr-01-07 02:28 PM   #82 

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