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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:51 PM
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15. And the legislature has granted American citizens the right to sue for
violations of the Constitution. The allegations are that the government violated the Fourth Amendment and also FISA. The plaintiffs should be allowed to proceed. If states secrets are involved, the courts are a co-equal branch of government, and the judge can review the documents containing the secrets in camera. The executive branch cannot hold itself above the judicial branch by refusing to provide evidence based on states' secrets. If the day comes when the government can simply refuse to subordinate itself to the co-equal judicial branch, government pursuant to the U.S. Constitution is over. Finished. We are no longer the United States of America. We are no longer governed by the Constitution of the United States of America. On that day, our Constitution has been replaced by something, who knows what else.
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  -There is something seriously wrong going on here re: state secrets/warrantless wiretapping LINK Blackhatjack  Apr-10-09 12:24 PM   #0 
  - Learn a bit about the legal system before posting inflammatory remarks.  Windy   Apr-10-09 12:25 PM   #1 
  - But does it look as though this admin is TRYING to change it?  FiveGoodMen   Apr-10-09 12:27 PM   #2 
  - Legislative law comes from the legislature, which means congress....  Windy   Apr-10-09 12:29 PM   #5 
     - Public statements of direction come from the White House quite often  FiveGoodMen   Apr-10-09 12:32 PM   #7 
     - And the legislature has granted American citizens the right to sue for  JDPriestly   Apr-10-09 12:51 PM   #15 
  - You are accepting of this b.s. to your peril my friend. "they didn't come for me.." n/t  antimatter98   Apr-10-09 12:29 PM   #4 
  - What precident do we have for the President's torture program?  ThomWV   Apr-10-09 12:34 PM   #8 
  - I agree follow 'precedent' like the Constitution ....  Blackhatjack   Apr-10-09 12:35 PM   #9 
  - What law are you talking about, Windy.  JDPriestly   Apr-10-09 12:43 PM   #11 
  - Well said and to the point ... once Constitutional rights are violated, a remedy must be afforded...  Blackhatjack   Apr-10-09 12:59 PM   #16 
  - Asking why is only inflammatory to people who don't feel the need  rucky   Apr-10-09 12:45 PM   #12 
  - This isn't a matter of following existing law vs. not following it.  Realityhack   Apr-10-09 02:55 PM   #23 
  - Bullshit.  alarimer   Apr-10-09 04:57 PM   #32 
  - Just about everyone I've read in the civil liberties business agrees with you. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-10-09 12:29 PM   #3 
  - Haven't you heard - he's only been in office 70 days - why worry?  ThomWV   Apr-10-09 12:32 PM   #6 
  - "Transparent Government" was a nice campaign slogan. Easily trumped political expediency.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-10-09 12:39 PM   #10 
  - Perhaps when he said "transparent" he really meant "invisible" n/t  Duer 157099   Apr-10-09 02:49 PM   #22 
  - if i remember correctly, he has always stood with this position, and i strongly disagreed  seabeyond   Apr-10-09 12:48 PM   #13 
  - This was the perfect opportunity for the Obama Admin to tell the court they believed in warrants....  Blackhatjack   Apr-10-09 12:49 PM   #14 
  - Making this about Obama is separate from what is really going on.  L. Coyote   Apr-10-09 01:01 PM   #17 
  - It absolutely is about Obama and the positions his Admin has taken on these issues...  Blackhatjack   Apr-10-09 01:12 PM   #18 
  - That makes sense.  bvar22   Apr-10-09 02:21 PM   #20 
  - President Obama supports the DOJ position  noise   Apr-10-09 02:42 PM   #21 
     - Noise... I think the post you responded too was sarcastic. n/t  Realityhack   Apr-10-09 03:01 PM   #25 
  - You didn't read the OP much less the article did you?  Realityhack   Apr-10-09 03:01 PM   #24 
  - Apparently, someone from the CIA  nichomachus   Apr-10-09 02:09 PM   #19 
  - All abord the woo woo express n/t  Realityhack   Apr-10-09 03:02 PM   #26 
     - You're late. I was expecting the asshole reponse much quicker than than n/t  nichomachus   Apr-10-09 03:53 PM   #29 
        - Sorry I was attending to things that actually exist/happened n/t  Realityhack   Apr-10-09 04:51 PM   #31 
  - Saw Pelosi on Olberman and she was nervous as hell when he brought up  KoKo   Apr-10-09 03:04 PM   #27 
  - Maybe  Hawkowl   Apr-10-09 03:08 PM   #28 
  - Didn't she say in tht interview also, that parts of the Patriot Act would be allowed to expire?  notadmblnd   Apr-10-09 04:18 PM   #30 
     - I think it might be seperate...but...if it's's still sad that Dems are  KoKo   Apr-10-09 07:42 PM   #33 
  - He's either bought and sold  latebloomer   Apr-10-09 08:11 PM   #34 
  - The imput a President receives from advisors always comes with an agenda attached...  Blackhatjack   Apr-10-09 08:50 PM   #35 

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