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Thu Apr-09-09 05:08 AM
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Sounds to me like an excellent way to insure that things are run by shadowy, behind-the-scenes forces, with the elected reps becoming mostly irrelevant.
It's a really complex world out there. Your suggestion would accomplish getting people in positions of power that have no ulterior agendas to serve, but it wouldn't put skilled and competent people in place.
If the reps are a bunch of ignorant average joes, I think the more savvy and diabolically brilliant career corporate goons will have a field day with them. Easy pickings.
I think this is really high-level work, requiring immense understanding and intelligence.
We could just say to hell with all of the complexity, seems to me to be what the repugs do since most of them can't get their heads around it anyway, but what happens then is that those that actually can and do master the ins and outs of how things work just do what they want while the reps argue about irrelevant straw men put in place to give them the appearance of relevancy. The repugs think this is fine since most of them are laissez-faire anyway, but we know where that leads, we're there right now!
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| -We’re Screwed and I think you know it. |
rhett o rick |
Apr-07-09 04:22 PM |
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Well, if you want to feel that way, that's your choice. |
Deja Q |
Apr-07-09 04:25 PM |
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Tell that to the people living in cars and tents. Tell that to the millions losing their retirements |
rhett o rick |
Apr-07-09 04:32 PM |
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The "Greatest" generation saddled... |
yowzayowzayowza |
Apr-07-09 05:04 PM |
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Yeah - we are all ever so happy to be in this position - The poster said none of those things |
debbierlus |
Apr-08-09 04:18 PM |
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Thank you and well said. We have a major problem right here in Democratic-River City |
rhett o rick |
Apr-08-09 05:26 PM |
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I don't agree with your premise. Legislators represent their constituents. |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 04:27 PM |
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But who are their constituents? |
RufusTFirefly |
Apr-07-09 04:32 PM |
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Look, you can fiddle with verbiage all day. The point I make, in plain language, is that |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 04:39 PM |
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Sorry, but you're still missing the point |
RufusTFirefly |
Apr-07-09 04:48 PM |
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We agree on something. THAT's INERTIA. |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 05:00 PM |
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The public does not give a shit |
BeFree |
Apr-07-09 06:03 PM |
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Naaah. My glass is half full. We, The People just need to be made sufficiently |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 06:11 PM |
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And they'll do what? |
BeFree |
Apr-07-09 06:29 PM |
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People got pretty uncomfortable in the 1930's. |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 06:53 PM |
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Enjoy? |
BeFree |
Apr-07-09 07:00 PM |
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My comment was conditional. IF (see that word, if??) that shoe fits, you go on and wear it. |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 07:25 PM |
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Ha |
BeFree |
Apr-07-09 10:42 PM |
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Wow, that's some interesting reinvention of very recent history. |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 10:52 PM |
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Gross |
BeFree |
Apr-08-09 09:19 AM |
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I am not "offering" anything. All I am saying is you can run around like a chicken with your |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 11:48 AM |
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Whoa, nelly! |
BeFree |
Apr-08-09 01:56 PM |
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"And what is your answer? Follow Obama." |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 02:25 PM |
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You don't attack anyone? |
BeFree |
Apr-08-09 05:47 PM |
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You have a problem with comprehension, I see. |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 08:07 PM |
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Note observed behaviors? |
BeFree |
Apr-08-09 08:18 PM |
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Yes--I note observed behaviors. |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 08:36 PM |
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Sweet Dreams, sugarpie. |
BeFree |
Apr-08-09 09:05 PM |
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Ir wasn't Desert Storm. It was holding the hostages. |
Cetacea |
Apr-08-09 02:36 PM |
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DESERT ONE--not DESERT STORM. DESERT ONE. |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 08:11 PM |
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Great post |
get the red out |
Apr-08-09 03:47 PM |
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I believe the public does care. We cared enough to believe |
yy4me |
Apr-08-09 04:36 PM |
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Yeah |
BeFree |
Apr-08-09 06:06 PM |
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I understand your point. |
Andy823 |
Apr-07-09 05:30 PM |
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Two words: Campaign financing |
RufusTFirefly |
Apr-07-09 07:03 PM |
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yup |
kenfrequed |
Apr-08-09 03:13 PM |
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It is not that simple. |
bvar22 |
Apr-07-09 06:28 PM |
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"The voters ARE GIVEN...." See--you're one of the "passive ones." |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 07:08 PM |
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I can see you've never been nose-to-nose.... |
bvar22 |
Apr-07-09 07:32 PM |
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Hahahahahaha! |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 07:38 PM |
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Actually, I had the honor of working on Wellstone's last campaign. |
bvar22 |
Apr-07-09 07:45 PM |
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Ok, so what are you telling me--party bosses killed Wellstone? |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 07:48 PM |
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OK . I can understand how those of you.... |
bvar22 |
Apr-08-09 10:58 AM |
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Dean was "shut out" because Obama didn't want him. Winning has consequences. |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 11:55 AM |
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Obama showed up in Iowa with $100Million, a political machine, |
bvar22 |
Apr-08-09 12:16 PM |
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You're just determined to turn him into Boss Tweed, aren't you? |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 12:56 PM |
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There you go again with the preaching. |
bvar22 |
Apr-08-09 01:31 PM |
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"Those of us who know better"---and you call me "preaching?" |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 01:33 PM |
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As much... |
kenfrequed |
Apr-08-09 03:09 PM |
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Sometimes I wish Paul had stayed home. |
truedelphi |
Apr-07-09 10:23 PM |
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So do I. I wish he'd hauled out that old green bus instead. NT |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 11:57 AM |
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Exactly Bvar |
dflprincess |
Apr-08-09 02:42 PM |
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And therein lies the crux of the matter |
TechBear_Seattle |
Apr-07-09 04:43 PM |
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And they do it on BOTH sides of the aisle. |
Deny and Shred |
Apr-09-09 06:17 PM |
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I get your point. But I don't agree with your premise. |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-07-09 04:37 PM |
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Pull the string, and you SEE the constituents--they're the damned VOTERS. |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 04:45 PM |
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Agreed, but the fact that their interest goes no further than you have stated |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-07-09 05:46 PM |
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It all starts with the voters, though. Without them, you're screwed. |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 05:51 PM |
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Imagine, I'm a man and I totally agree. Although the women that tend to get voted in today |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-07-09 06:02 PM |
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Its not who votes, its who counts the votes |
the other one |
Apr-08-09 07:21 AM |
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Sure, Mister Stalin. Another "hopeless" post. |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 01:00 PM |
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Congress-critters represent constituents by definition only. |
rhett o rick |
Apr-07-09 06:31 PM |
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Enough of them vote to put the person in the seat, though. |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 07:36 PM |
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"if the electorate gets off their asses and works for a change", is definitely what we |
rhett o rick |
Apr-08-09 09:29 AM |
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The Lieberman example is bullshit. Sorry. Lamont fucked up. |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 01:06 PM |
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I disagree. Lamont defeated Lieberman in the primary, which is extremely rare. |
rhett o rick |
Apr-08-09 05:07 PM |
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YES---and Lamont was sitting in the catbird seat. But as the campaign progressed, |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 08:31 PM |
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I am not sure where you are going with this line of argument. |
rhett o rick |
Apr-08-09 11:17 PM |
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Where I am going is this-- "It CAN be done." |
MADem |
Apr-09-09 12:41 AM |
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"Legislators represent their constituents." |
leftofthedial |
Apr-07-09 09:26 PM |
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Who votes them in, then, Santy Claus? |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 10:56 PM |
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we "vote" them in, |
leftofthedial |
Apr-07-09 11:14 PM |
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That's all I'm saying. WE are "the problem." |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 11:25 PM |
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I think you're dead wrong on this. |
Dr.Phool |
Apr-08-09 02:53 PM |
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I agree of course. nm |
rhett o rick |
Apr-08-09 05:09 PM |
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OK Dr. Phool....you ran a campaign. Just supposing you got a whole lotta |
MADem |
Apr-08-09 08:56 PM |
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I'm pretty sure we're doomed and they're doing all the wrong things to stop it |
librechik |
Apr-07-09 04:31 PM |
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Yeah, I know. That's why I take Xanax. Best drug to ride out the end of the world with |
shadowknows69 |
Apr-07-09 04:32 PM |
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Vodka |
rhett o rick |
Apr-07-09 04:33 PM |
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yep, pretty much agree. nt |
Mari333 |
Apr-07-09 04:35 PM |
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Here's what I got from your OP: |
redqueen |
Apr-07-09 04:43 PM |
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I'm walking on air today and not all the "we're doomed" posts in the world |
cali |
Apr-07-09 04:46 PM |
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I am happy for you (no sarcasm intended). nm |
rhett o rick |
Apr-07-09 05:55 PM |
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Life isn't perfect. |
Boomerang Diddle |
Apr-07-09 05:58 PM |
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The Democratic leaders are in a dangerous position |
leftstreet |
Apr-07-09 04:53 PM |
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good post. |
Mari333 |
Apr-07-09 05:02 PM |
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Agree. Too many examples of astonishing, frustrating, mystifying behavior by |
wiggs |
Apr-07-09 05:08 PM |
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Common ground between right and left |
RufusTFirefly |
Apr-07-09 05:24 PM |
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You'll be pretty frustrated with reactions to this view up to the day that the empire comes crashing |
Democracyinkind |
Apr-07-09 05:48 PM |
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Dodd will probably be gone.. |
girl gone mad |
Apr-07-09 05:16 PM |
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i'm 48, with no kids, retired due to permanent disability... |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-07-09 05:21 PM |
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There's a seven year old boy named... |
LanternWaste |
Apr-07-09 05:47 PM |
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I totally agree that life in these United States is better than a good share of the world. |
rhett o rick |
Apr-07-09 06:21 PM |
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Talk about PERSPECTIVE. If I could recommend a post, I'd recommend yours. |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 07:50 PM |
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Yes, we are |
BeFree |
Apr-07-09 06:08 PM |
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My wife and I decided to quit. |
bvar22 |
Apr-07-09 07:02 PM |
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4-11 is start -- and it's just around the corner. nt |
xchrom |
Apr-07-09 07:17 PM |
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UR right rhett o rick |
jemma |
Apr-07-09 07:19 PM |
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There aren't ten actual Democrats in DC. |
leftofthedial |
Apr-07-09 07:19 PM |
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And that is a really good point. n/t |
TBF |
Apr-07-09 08:16 PM |
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Ponies for everyone! |
balantz |
Apr-07-09 07:48 PM |
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Ohh - Pretty pony ... |
waiting for hope |
Apr-07-09 08:06 PM |
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You two crack me up... I know you're making those |
TBF |
Apr-07-09 08:15 PM |
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A spy in our Belize compound! |
balantz |
Apr-07-09 08:30 PM |
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Production is a bitch - let me tell you. |
waiting for hope |
Apr-07-09 08:40 PM |
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The ruling class... and the rest of us - |
TBF |
Apr-07-09 08:12 PM |
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As Michael Moore put it: Face It, You'll Never Be Rich |
FiveGoodMen |
Apr-08-09 02:32 PM |
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And he wrote that in 2003 - a very good article. |
TBF |
Apr-09-09 07:32 AM |
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campaign finance reform |
dreamnightwind |
Apr-08-09 12:03 AM |
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free cable & network time. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-08-09 12:17 AM |
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it should help, not a complete fix though |
dreamnightwind |
Apr-08-09 05:11 AM |
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"paying our reps a ton of money, huge salaries" ... have we learned |
TBF |
Apr-08-09 07:04 AM |
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sounds like we've learned different things |
dreamnightwind |
Apr-09-09 04:45 AM |
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Campaign finance reform, Universal Single Payer Health Care, all the big issues |
truedelphi |
Apr-08-09 01:27 PM |
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the way things are currently structured it will never happen |
dreamnightwind |
Apr-09-09 04:56 AM |
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Thank you for the compliment. I fear that I am far too |
truedelphi |
Apr-09-09 02:55 PM |
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Here's my take on reform.. |
twitomy |
Apr-08-09 03:08 PM |
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Easy pickings |
dreamnightwind |
Apr-09-09 05:08 AM |
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well, i know we're screwed around here: |
orleans |
Apr-08-09 12:11 AM |
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I've known it for a long time, and you are correct. nt |
LWolf |
Apr-08-09 07:24 AM |
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The primary concern of politicians is to get re-elected. Serving the country is a slogan. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-08-09 09:27 AM |
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K&R-- I agree with you 100 percent.... |
mike_c |
Apr-08-09 10:46 AM |
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ditto |
Last Stand |
Apr-08-09 11:01 AM |
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They prostrated themselves before Dubya |
Jack Sprat |
Apr-08-09 03:13 PM |
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Oh Mr.Nader Your Ignorant Little Wah Wah Rants Never Cease To Be Hilarious! |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Apr-08-09 11:29 AM |
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Some of us have railed against the corporatists for years |
nolabels |
Apr-08-09 01:52 PM |
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pls read C. Wright Mills: The Power Elite |
amborin |
Apr-08-09 01:54 PM |
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Thanks for the recommendation but, will it make me feel better or worse? |
rhett o rick |
Apr-08-09 08:03 PM |
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difficult to say |
amborin |
Apr-08-09 08:05 PM |
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Senator B. Everett Jordan lost his Senate seat by being defeated in the primary |
Freddie Stubbs |
Apr-08-09 02:48 PM |
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Do you support the blue dog Democrats Freddie?? nm |
rhett o rick |
Apr-09-09 09:32 AM |
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Freddie, please tell us if you support the blue dog Democrats. nm |
rhett o rick |
Apr-09-09 04:41 PM |
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Honestly, you make a good case. |
Jack Sprat |
Apr-08-09 03:00 PM |
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You could start with a list of those.... |
bvar22 |
Apr-08-09 04:06 PM |
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I rate your post as one of the top 10 ever written here at DU |
wundermaus |
Apr-08-09 06:21 PM |
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Thanks very much. The important thing here tho is to understand: |
rhett o rick |
Apr-08-09 08:55 PM |
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Defeatist Hyperbole |
ProfessorGAC |
Apr-09-09 05:15 AM |
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Now that's some strange logic. I should root for a dictatorship because I think |
rhett o rick |
Apr-09-09 09:30 AM |
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Ok rhett |
BeFree |
Apr-09-09 10:59 AM |
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If I had to guess... |
BeFree |
Apr-09-09 10:24 AM |
#135 |