| 1. TSA looks for weapons... |
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...but if looking for weapons they find evidence of other crimes, they are not required to ignore it. Maybe the dude is telling the truth. Maybe it is a cover story. Usually, travelling with a large amount of cash indicates an illegal business, usually drugs.
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| -Man Detained and Threatened by TSA for Flying with $4,700 Cash |
snot |
Apr-07-09 08:55 AM |
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TSA looks for weapons... |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 08:59 AM |
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got data to support your claim that people carrying cash are criminals? nt |
msongs |
Apr-07-09 09:02 AM |
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Trial testimony of numerous cops talking about their experience. |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 09:14 AM |
#11 |
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Cops testimony isn't proof that carrying large amounts of cash is suspicious. |
Gormy Cuss |
Apr-07-09 10:49 AM |
#79 |
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That's claim is just stupid |
nichomachus |
Apr-07-09 02:17 PM |
#162 |
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As if that means anything. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-07-09 02:25 PM |
#164 |
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The fact SOME criminals carry cash isn't probable cause for arrest. |
mainer |
Apr-07-09 04:45 PM |
#180 |
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Or maybe you found a car on Craigslist in another city.. |
Fumesucker |
Apr-07-09 09:04 AM |
#6 |
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Yes, it may be perfectly innocent. nt |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 09:13 AM |
#10 |
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It IS perfectly innocent |
WolverineDG |
Apr-07-09 11:26 AM |
#111 |
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cash is not "evidence of other crimes" and he does not get to be treated as criminal |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 09:07 AM |
#8 |
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It's not conclusive or beyond reasonable doubt... |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 09:12 AM |
#9 |
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It is evidence of nothing. |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 09:31 AM |
#21 |
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Oh really? |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 09:54 AM |
#27 |
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Sure it is |
Coyote_Bandit |
Apr-07-09 09:57 AM |
#32 |
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Funny... you cite a "probable cause" example (drugs) |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:20 AM |
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in a police state |
datasuspect |
Apr-07-09 11:14 AM |
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Apr-07-09 09:33 AM |
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Apr-07-09 09:57 AM |
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i say all are cowards that are so fuckin fearful they are willing to give up rights |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 10:00 AM |
#35 |
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She said from 1500 miles away. |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 10:05 AM |
#38 |
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Privacy for starters |
WolverineDG |
Apr-07-09 11:30 AM |
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Oooh! I'll play! |
14thColony |
Apr-07-09 12:28 PM |
#146 |
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Acutally it is |
WolverineDG |
Apr-07-09 11:27 AM |
#113 |
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You're insane |
Hawkowl |
Apr-07-09 01:46 PM |
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I agree.. what a disgusting assumption to make |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 09:30 AM |
#19 |
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i am so sick and tired of the cowards of this nation that must allow SOMEONE to CONTROL |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 09:40 AM |
#24 |
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This is an airport. |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 10:00 AM |
#34 |
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OM FRIGGIN G> cause it is all just so out of control gonna wet my pants i am so afraid |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 10:02 AM |
#36 |
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Frankly, your language makes you sound like a little kid. |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 10:09 AM |
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Apr-07-09 10:30 AM |
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. n/t |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 10:54 AM |
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So.... |
14thColony |
Apr-07-09 12:35 PM |
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so right on, couldnt agree more and you are funny..... lol lol. n/t |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 12:39 PM |
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It is not an assumption, it is suspicion. |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 09:58 AM |
#33 |
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"If he had an INNOCENT explanation"..... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:08 AM |
#40 |
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Innocent until proven guilty is a procedural rule for trial. |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 10:11 AM |
#44 |
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The pre-trial equivalent is "probable cause" |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:17 AM |
#45 |
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And he wasn't indicted, so you can throw that out the window, too. |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-07-09 10:20 AM |
#47 |
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It is NOT reason to detain. which they did |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:21 AM |
#48 |
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His refusal to answer questions was. |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-07-09 10:25 AM |
#49 |
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You are not obligated to answer questions that they are not |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:32 AM |
#55 |
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You are not ***OBLIGATED*** |
Coyote_Bandit |
Apr-07-09 10:35 AM |
#60 |
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Of course you have the right to remain silent, |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-07-09 10:38 AM |
#64 |
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that is the wrong of it. your looks.... detain. they have the right. what you wear,.... detain |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 10:42 AM |
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Police may only detain you based on reasonable suspicion. |
Statistical |
Apr-07-09 11:34 AM |
#125 |
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I don't see any evidence they aren't authorized to ask those questions. |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-07-09 10:37 AM |
#62 |
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Since when is $4700 = $10K? |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:38 AM |
#63 |
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Let's try this again, this time with you reading my post. |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-07-09 10:39 AM |
#65 |
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So, what WAS he "under suspicion of (sic)?" |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:41 AM |
#67 |
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Probably drug trafficking, given how they were talking about the DEA. |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-07-09 10:45 AM |
#72 |
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If you think so... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:46 AM |
#75 |
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As do I. |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-07-09 10:52 AM |
#81 |
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and Merriam Webster now cites "NUCULAR" as an acceptable |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:59 AM |
#85 |
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The "no-prepositions" rule is something of a recent innovation as well, |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-07-09 11:13 AM |
#95 |
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he didn't have to answer |
CreekDog |
Apr-07-09 12:34 PM |
#148 |
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Agree 100 percent with you |
14thColony |
Apr-07-09 12:40 PM |
#152 |
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He only demanded his rights. Now THAT'S illegal???? |
mainer |
Apr-07-09 04:47 PM |
#181 |
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Have you got case law for that? |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 10:31 AM |
#54 |
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If your read the entire thread, at least 6 people have pointed out |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:32 AM |
#56 |
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I don't have time for that. |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 10:34 AM |
#58 |
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You've got to be kidding. Is your reading comprehension that |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:36 AM |
#61 |
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Blame public education. |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 01:16 PM |
#156 |
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I don't suffer fools lightly... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 02:28 PM |
#166 |
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... |
Individualist |
Apr-07-09 06:35 PM |
#191 |
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Oh, please |
Coyote_Bandit |
Apr-07-09 10:48 AM |
#78 |
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I've done it. I passed the bar exam. |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 01:18 PM |
#157 |
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Right... And I have marsh land in the the Gulf of Mexico for sale |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 02:28 PM |
#165 |
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. |
Deep13 |
Apr-08-09 07:46 AM |
#193 |
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Yes, the citation is on CBP Declaration Form 6059B |
14thColony |
Apr-07-09 04:44 PM |
#179 |
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You have a right not to answer their questions. |
Dr.Phool |
Apr-07-09 11:31 AM |
#118 |
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He has no obligation to provide evidence against himself. |
Statistical |
Apr-07-09 11:41 AM |
#130 |
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By coincidence, there was no arrest or indictment either. |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 10:30 AM |
#53 |
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Cowardice in those who will not stand up for their own rights... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:33 AM |
#57 |
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leads to more abuse of authority and erosion of our rights.... preach it brother/sister.... |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 10:40 AM |
#66 |
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What the hell are you talking about? |
Deep13 |
Apr-07-09 01:40 PM |
#158 |
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It's not a procedural rule, it's in the constitution |
CreekDog |
Apr-07-09 12:31 PM |
#147 |
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I see you aren't buying his claim either.... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 02:29 PM |
#167 |
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actually i do (in part) |
CreekDog |
Apr-07-09 03:22 PM |
#172 |
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Actually the grammarian is another poster... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 03:58 PM |
#174 |
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aw shoot |
CreekDog |
Apr-07-09 04:32 PM |
#175 |
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I've been a paralegal for fifteen years and I'm sure as |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-07-09 06:11 PM |
#189 |
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1. Most times checks are not accepted in |
shraby |
Apr-07-09 09:18 AM |
#15 |
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"Cash is privacy." |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 09:19 AM |
#16 |
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Plus we're talking about PEANUTS. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-07-09 10:42 AM |
#69 |
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....he acted as though he had rights!!! Why the NOIVE of that guy! |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 11:22 AM |
#105 |
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he acted as though he had rights!!! .... YES. EXACTLY. the audacity |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:23 AM |
#108 |
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I routinely carry large sums of cash in the operation of my business. |
Ikonoklast |
Apr-07-09 09:22 AM |
#18 |
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is it illegal to carry $4700 in cash? |
dysfunctional press |
Apr-07-09 10:08 AM |
#41 |
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WTF? |
Statistical |
Apr-07-09 10:59 AM |
#86 |
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two earrings, detain. tattoo, detain. shaved head... d etained. |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:07 AM |
#89 |
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It only takes a dozen or so lawsuits. |
Statistical |
Apr-07-09 11:25 AM |
#110 |
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What kind of insulated little world do you live in? |
tuckessee |
Apr-07-09 11:11 AM |
#93 |
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You got anything to back that up that assertion |
MadHound |
Apr-07-09 11:33 AM |
#122 |
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Sheer codswollop. |
Richard Steele |
Apr-07-09 11:40 AM |
#128 |
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You watch way too much TV |
Lorien |
Apr-07-09 12:01 PM |
#141 |
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bwahahaha....cash = crime? usually drugs? bwahahahahaa |
spanone |
Apr-07-09 03:01 PM |
#171 |
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LMAO... $4700 bucks, must have been some shitty drugs |
walldude |
Apr-07-09 05:19 PM |
#186 |
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It is not a crime to carry cash..or to refuse to use the banks. |
winyanstaz |
Apr-08-09 08:18 AM |
#195 |
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My husband was a tour manager for |
a la izquierda |
Apr-08-09 08:29 AM |
#196 |
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Yet another reason we need to disband the TSA |
derby378 |
Apr-07-09 09:02 AM |
#2 |
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TSA, DHS... all these fascist agencies need to be disbanded... |
ixion |
Apr-07-09 09:03 AM |
#4 |
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The TSA is a monster that grows larger daily..... |
lib2DaBone |
Apr-07-09 09:04 AM |
#5 |
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Wow, FOX NEWS, too. Talk about "Left is right, up is down!" |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 09:05 AM |
#7 |
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Fox only gets in a tizzy when one of 'their people' get hassled |
Blue_Tires |
Apr-07-09 11:32 AM |
#120 |
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I think this guy would have, despite his RP affiliation, gotten the "Sit down and SHUT UP" treatment |
MADem |
Apr-07-09 02:42 PM |
#168 |
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the cutoff is 10K, and if he wasn't required to declare it |
sui generis |
Apr-07-09 09:15 AM |
#12 |
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I think that cut-off only applies to international flights |
mainer |
Apr-07-09 04:36 PM |
#176 |
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Yes, it's only for international travel |
14thColony |
Apr-07-09 05:03 PM |
#184 |
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good thing we live in America, land of the free |
sui generis |
Apr-08-09 07:59 AM |
#194 |
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TSA Inspector Damages 9 American Eagle Aircraft....tax dollars at work.. |
lib2DaBone |
Apr-07-09 09:16 AM |
#13 |
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$4,700 is not a lot money |
Wickerman |
Apr-07-09 09:17 AM |
#14 |
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And carrying it with you is probably safer than investing it these days. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Apr-07-09 10:57 AM |
#84 |
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Its not an unreasonable question why he's got thousands of dollars in cash on him. |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 09:22 AM |
#17 |
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cause i want to carry 4700 is as much a reasonable answer. question asked, question answered |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 09:39 AM |
#23 |
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see #98 |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 11:19 AM |
#100 |
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only the coward, the fearful, the weak would support ths. n/t |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:21 AM |
#104 |
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Not suspicious at all. |
Mother Of Four |
Apr-07-09 09:49 AM |
#25 |
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There is a history - people who commit crimes usually behave in a particular way. |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 10:26 AM |
#50 |
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How awful of him to insist on his (alleged) rights! |
Tesha |
Apr-07-09 10:46 AM |
#73 |
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He has the right to carry any amount of cash he wants. |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 11:16 AM |
#98 |
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i am soooo afraid of the big bad terrorist..... lock down the airports. |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:20 AM |
#102 |
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Please quote me the section of *ANY* law that gives the TSA the right to question him. (NT) |
Tesha |
Apr-07-09 05:10 PM |
#185 |
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Uhm- |
Mother Of Four |
Apr-07-09 10:50 AM |
#80 |
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Did you even watch the video? |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 11:08 AM |
#90 |
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First of all- |
Mother Of Four |
Apr-07-09 11:53 AM |
#138 |
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There is no legal def of "flaky". |
Statistical |
Apr-07-09 12:35 PM |
#150 |
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So when I got agitated a few years ago when they almost |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-07-09 06:28 PM |
#190 |
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Hey, baldguy |
BeFree |
Apr-07-09 09:56 AM |
#29 |
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I'm sure you can supply documentation from Skinner, EarlG & Elad granting that authority? |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 11:12 AM |
#94 |
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constitutional rights.... anyone. cause it is government doesnt mean a free for all on their part |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:17 AM |
#99 |
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How you behave depends on what you want. |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 11:23 AM |
#107 |
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don't expect to get on the plane in time. .... cause of people like you and the others that support |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:24 AM |
#109 |
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They don't let cows on commercial flights. |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 11:29 AM |
#115 |
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but cowards. now cowards are ushered thru. little sheep... quietly walking along the line |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:32 AM |
#121 |
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Question the feds? |
BeFree |
Apr-07-09 11:30 AM |
#117 |
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The feds are my friends.... ya |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:34 AM |
#124 |
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Exactly |
BeFree |
Apr-07-09 11:40 AM |
#129 |
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and a whole bunch of really cowardly people willing to give up all THeir rights |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:43 AM |
#131 |
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What suspicious behavior? |
Statistical |
Apr-07-09 11:28 AM |
#114 |
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Limit is $10,000 and that's for leaving the country. This was a domestic flight. It none of their |
OregonBlue |
Apr-07-09 09:31 AM |
#20 |
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$10,000 is also the limit |
Coyote_Bandit |
Apr-07-09 09:55 AM |
#28 |
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I also travel for business frequently out of the country. Last trip a TSA official was stationed |
OregonBlue |
Apr-07-09 11:44 AM |
#132 |
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this is what pisses me off. you do it, to get on the plane and do what you gotta do. and they KNOW |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:48 AM |
#133 |
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TSA is too damn inconsistent in enforcing the rules |
Coyote_Bandit |
Apr-07-09 12:51 PM |
#155 |
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my brother worked for the TSA |
Mari333 |
Apr-07-09 09:53 AM |
#26 |
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i dont. i wouldnt, couldnt be so foolish to believe they make us safe. |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 09:56 AM |
#30 |
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but I do believe it. |
rucky |
Apr-07-09 02:20 PM |
#163 |
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I'll carry as much cash as I chose fuck you very much... |
truebrit71 |
Apr-07-09 10:03 AM |
#37 |
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$4,700 buys a lot of lap dances and those TSA agents sounded like they needed it. |
Stevenmarc |
Apr-07-09 10:06 AM |
#39 |
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There's no security threat. They had reason to suspect he might be a drug dealer, |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-07-09 10:19 AM |
#46 |
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which is beyond the scope of their authority and duties... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:35 AM |
#59 |
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I don't believe it is. |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-07-09 10:42 AM |
#68 |
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If you read the congressional record that lays out the authorities |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:44 AM |
#71 |
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"Do the research" is often shorthand for "I have no fucking clue." nt |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-07-09 10:46 AM |
#74 |
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No, it is putting the oneness for taking one's time in YOUR lap |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 10:47 AM |
#76 |
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And it isn't my responsibility to educate you, either. I think the TSA |
Occam Bandage |
Apr-07-09 10:56 AM |
#83 |
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TSA are not authorized as subsitute for law enforcement. |
hlthe2b |
Apr-07-09 11:00 AM |
#87 |
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merely having cash cannot make you a suspect any more than having a third eye. n/t |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:08 AM |
#92 |
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No citizen is required to answer unlawful questions and accept "routine" detainment. |
Statistical |
Apr-07-09 11:04 AM |
#88 |
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He didn't refuse to answer any questions. He asked if he was legally required to answer them |
Gormy Cuss |
Apr-07-09 11:08 AM |
#91 |
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Hmmm, the guy was a Ron Paul campaign worker, and worked for the campaign |
MiniMe |
Apr-07-09 10:28 AM |
#51 |
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Flying with cash is a crime????? |
Vinca |
Apr-07-09 10:48 AM |
#77 |
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He wasn't charged with any crime. |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 11:27 AM |
#112 |
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We was DETAINED despite meeting NO requirement for reasonable suspicion. |
Statistical |
Apr-07-09 11:31 AM |
#119 |
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Actually the guy was a Campaign for Liberty Staffer. A Paul-bot. |
galileoreloaded |
Apr-07-09 11:13 AM |
#96 |
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Why would it? |
rcrush |
Apr-07-09 01:55 PM |
#160 |
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He could inflict nasty paper cuts on the flight crew! |
leftofthedial |
Apr-07-09 11:20 AM |
#101 |
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I wouldn't carry that much cash, but I mean this is getting out of control. |
sarcasmo |
Apr-07-09 11:21 AM |
#103 |
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Just wait until the economic chickens come home to roost. |
MilesColtrane |
Apr-07-09 11:22 AM |
#106 |
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Much Ado About Nothing. In Fact, The TSA Did Its Job Appropriately. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Apr-07-09 11:33 AM |
#123 |
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and the coward will always "spew their falsely righteous outrage" defending the oppressor. |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:37 AM |
#126 |
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If Only You Realized How Silly You Look. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Apr-07-09 11:53 AM |
#140 |
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it is the difference between the people willing to keep the authority honest.... cause we arent |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 12:08 PM |
#143 |
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Bingo. |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 11:51 AM |
#135 |
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This thread is an example why authoritarians and anti-authoritarians will never get along |
Zodiak |
Apr-07-09 11:39 AM |
#127 |
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No, the paulites aren't anti-authoritarians - they're whiners. |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 11:50 AM |
#134 |
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instead you prefer to blindly follow without question. rollin eyes.... n/t |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:52 AM |
#137 |
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Gawd |
BeFree |
Apr-07-09 11:53 AM |
#139 |
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So are you ok w/ civil rights being trampled.... OR |
Statistical |
Apr-07-09 12:44 PM |
#153 |
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Tell you what. |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 03:50 PM |
#173 |
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STRAWMAN ALERT.... STRAWMAN ALERT..... |
Statistical |
Apr-07-09 04:48 PM |
#182 |
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Legally, the whole airport is a checkpoint. |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 05:50 PM |
#187 |
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TSA authority isn't unlimited. |
Statistical |
Apr-07-09 06:04 PM |
#188 |
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Ok, when was he being detained? |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 06:35 PM |
#192 |
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not all of us can or know how to be sheep. we have got to be allowed our rights.... where |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 11:51 AM |
#136 |
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damn right, seabeyond |
noiretextatique |
Apr-07-09 12:07 PM |
#142 |
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the fucking COWARDS didn't bother to show up,.... cowards i tell you. |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 12:15 PM |
#144 |
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WTF. The man took all the monetary donations from Ron Paul's campaign |
npk |
Apr-07-09 12:20 PM |
#145 |
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Seems a bit early to decide that is the only reason he was detained. |
DevonRex |
Apr-07-09 12:47 PM |
#154 |
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Just another victim from the insanity created by the War Against Some Drugs, now cash is illegal. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-07-09 02:02 PM |
#161 |
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When cash is outlawed, only outlaws will have cash |
KamaAina |
Apr-07-09 02:45 PM |
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maybe he was gonna bribe the pilot to fly into tall buildings???? |
spanone |
Apr-07-09 03:00 PM |
#170 |
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So TSA is FORCING Americans to have credit cards? |
mainer |
Apr-07-09 04:39 PM |
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It is not against the law to demand your rights. ACLU should be on this. |
mainer |
Apr-07-09 04:42 PM |
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me too. not against the law to demand your right.... say it loud |
seabeyond |
Apr-07-09 04:51 PM |
#183 |
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