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Reply #41: how much of the payday loan business is built on repeat customers? [View All]

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41. how much of the payday loan business is built on repeat customers?
You make is sound like somebody only gets one of those loans once every five years or something, but that's ridiculous. Many of the people I know who run behind on their money are always running behind. They get paid on Friday and have no money left by Monday, and they do that every payday.

People who get monthly checks are the worst, especially if they are on mental disability. Here we are asking somebody to plan their expenses for a whole month on a fairly small check. Not only that, but the person we are asking to do that has a mental disability. They run out of money by the 15th. Same with poor people living on social security.

You know what really contributes to their problems? Payday loans.

Here's how it works. Get a check for $600 on the 1st of the month (or the 3rd). Run out of money by the 21st. Get a payday loan on the 25th for $200 (less a $30 fee). On the next 3rd you get another check for $600. Only this time the check is only $400 because $200 of it just went to pay off the payday loan. Guess what. If you couldn't make it through the month on $600, you ain't gonna make it on $400 either. Not to worry though, because you can get another payday loan and pay another $30 fee. Ultimately that person is living on their small income minus $360 a year in payday loan fees. It's a hole they will have a very hard time getting out of.

But no worries. It's not like they are REALLY paying 390% interest? Just 180% interest on $200 borrowed 12 times.

Do you know why I know this is a likely scenario? Because I used to have friends in this exact same situation. They borrowed money from me every month (and paid it back when they got their checks, only to borrow again two weeks later when they ran out of money again). Which is how people would get by if there were no payday loan places - with a little help from their friends. The highly profitable payday loan industry - they are not one of them. They are no friend to the poor.
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  At the risk of arousing your ire, a couple of points about "payday loans". MercutioATC  Apr-06-09 08:10 PM   #0 
   they might provide a needed service -- but there is nothing, nothing  xchrom   Apr-06-09 08:15 PM   #1 
   But it's NOT 300% interest! That's the point!  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 08:19 PM   #2 
      if somebody renegs on something twentyfive times in a row  xchrom   Apr-06-09 08:22 PM   #4 
      Absolutely Agree  GA_ArmyVet   Apr-07-09 06:11 AM   #108 
      No, it's 300% interest!!!!  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 08:23 PM   #5 
      No. The total interest paid on thre principle is 11.54%  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 08:31 PM   #13 
         Sorry, but you are simply not being honest  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 08:37 PM   #16 
            Ok, what percentage of $200 is $23.08? It's 11.54%. How is that "dishonest"?  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 08:42 PM   #28 
               Bullshit  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 08:45 PM   #31 
                  Again, what is dishonest about anything I've presented?  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 08:49 PM   #35 
                  You keep saying the interest rate paid is 11.54%  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 08:50 PM   #36 
                     That's 100% true. The interest rate paid is 11.54%.  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 08:54 PM   #39 
                        The papers you sign say 300%  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 09:01 PM   #44 
                           You're being obtuse. End of discussion.  Dreamer Tatum   Apr-06-09 09:03 PM   #46 
                           Yes, 300% APR....but it's a 2-week loan.  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 09:05 PM   #48 
                              The interest rate, whichever way you slice it - is outrageous  Political Heretic   Apr-06-09 09:36 PM   #61 
                                 So what rate would you deem acceptable?  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 09:39 PM   #65 
                                    Multiple states have figured out something much more reasonable  Political Heretic   Apr-06-09 10:17 PM   #80 
                                       So do you have a suggested interest rate?  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 10:35 PM   #82 
                                          Even 36%....  Statistical   Apr-06-09 11:11 PM   #86 
                                             36% APR? So on a $200 loan for 2 weeks, what would I be paying back?  BlooInBloo   Apr-06-09 11:14 PM   #87 
                                                As referenced in the doc I linked less than 1% payback payday loan in 2 weeks  Statistical   Apr-06-09 11:22 PM   #91 
                                                Ah. Just refuse to answer the question. So be it.  BlooInBloo   Apr-06-09 11:24 PM   #92 
                                                So transparent....  Statistical   Apr-06-09 11:34 PM   #94 
                                                he answered it quite clearly.  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-09 11:36 PM   #95 
                                                No, he didn't...he evaded by attempting to raise a separate issue.  MercutioATC   Apr-07-09 12:15 AM   #102 
                                                but the loan contracts specify that they are to be paid in 2 weeks,  Lance_Boyle   Apr-08-09 10:13 AM   #115 
                                                $202.38  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-07-09 05:11 AM   #107 
                  Ok...let's see how "honest" you are....  MercutioATC   Apr-07-09 12:21 AM   #103 
      Yes it is.  Statistical   Apr-06-09 09:39 PM   #66 
      Next you'll be trying to sell the idea that PI should be an even 3.0 to make it easier.  TahitiNut   Apr-06-09 10:01 PM   #76 
   I think every fucking one fo them should be shut down  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 08:21 PM   #3 
   Ok, would you care to suggest an alternative?  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 08:24 PM   #7 
      Yes  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 08:27 PM   #11 
         If you honor the terms of the agreement, you pay interest of 11.54% of the principal.  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 08:38 PM   #19 
         Your bullshit interest rate is just that, bullshit. n/t  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 08:39 PM   #21 
         so according to you...everyone who pays their credit cards off every month...are paying interest?  angstlessk   Apr-06-09 09:22 PM   #57 
         he's talking interest paid, not interest rate  Lance_Boyle   Apr-08-09 10:18 AM   #116 
         Thats the whole point..  GA_ArmyVet   Apr-07-09 06:22 AM   #109 
         Before payday loan stores, there were those who would make risky, unsecured short-term loans  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-08-09 10:29 AM   #117 
   Ire?  ColbertWatcher   Apr-06-09 08:23 PM   #6 
   Thanks. Saved me a whole bunch of typing...  Junkdrawer   Apr-06-09 08:27 PM   #12 
      You're welcome. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Apr-06-09 08:40 PM   #25 
   Its like low-balling someone on a house or car they may be trying to sell  NNN0LHI   Apr-06-09 08:26 PM   #8 
   The risk to benefit measurement must apply however.  Liberal Veteran   Apr-06-09 08:37 PM   #15 
   Another point to consider:  Arkansas Granny   Apr-06-09 08:26 PM   #9 
   I know I went to school in the Stone Age, but "interest" back then always meant  Sal Minella   Apr-06-09 08:26 PM   #10 
   So what? "Annual interest rate" doesn't have any real bearing on 2-week loans.  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 08:35 PM   #14 
   The papers you sign have to list the real interest rate  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 08:38 PM   #18 
   Yes, they're legally obligated to calculate an APR.  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 08:39 PM   #22 
      Then your credit card only charges 0.75% interest  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 08:40 PM   #24 
         If you contractually had to pay your entire balance every month, that would be true.  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 08:45 PM   #30 
            PAyday loan stores are the lowest scum of the earth  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 08:47 PM   #33 
               Emotional response, but you haven't yet refuted anything I've stated.  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 08:51 PM   #37 
                  Peple who advocate for scum of the earth  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 09:02 PM   #45 
                     I stated two facts in the OP. I'm not advocating for anybody.  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 09:09 PM   #52 
                        What about a loan shark that charge 3% interest per day.  Statistical   Apr-06-09 10:14 PM   #79 
                           If the term of the loan was one day, absolutely.  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 10:38 PM   #83 
                              Except for the majority of payday loan consumers....  Statistical   Apr-06-09 11:02 PM   #85 
                                 And, again, how is the fault of the lender or the practice?  MercutioATC   Apr-07-09 12:00 AM   #99 
                                    Once again..... THE LENDER KNOW THIS  Statistical   Apr-07-09 08:21 AM   #113 
   The actual interest rate is 300% no matter how you want to slice it and dice it.  Sal Minella   Apr-06-09 08:42 PM   #29 
   The actual ANNUAL interest rate might be 300%, but the interest actually PAID is 11.54%  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 08:46 PM   #32 
      No, the interest rate PAID is 300%  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 08:47 PM   #34 
      How much did you borrow? How much did you pay back?  BlooInBloo   Apr-06-09 09:16 PM   #56 
      The interest PAID is 11.54% of amount borrowed. The interest RATE is 300%.  Sal Minella   Apr-06-09 08:56 PM   #40 
         The interest RATE is 11.54 for the term of the loan.  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 11:18 PM   #88 
            Wrong. You may have yourself convinced of this (which I doubt)  Sal Minella   Apr-06-09 11:58 PM   #98 
               If the stated unit is "Per Quart", then the price is per quart.  MercutioATC   Apr-07-09 12:08 AM   #101 
   how much of the payday loan business is built on repeat customers?  hfojvt   Apr-06-09 08:56 PM   #41 
      So who is really abusing the system?  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 11:20 PM   #90 
      99% of payday loan revnue is repeat customers  Statistical   Apr-06-09 11:38 PM   #96 
   When I did my Re-finance this year on my house  GA_ArmyVet   Apr-07-09 06:27 AM   #110 
   I don't know where you got your interest rates from but as I said  walldude   Apr-06-09 08:37 PM   #17 
   The OP is being less than honest n/t  WeDidIt   Apr-06-09 08:39 PM   #20 
   And I just saw a report on Amy's show that here in CA,  EFerrari   Apr-06-09 08:42 PM   #26 
   This is a joke, right? ETA: Link to Amy's report:  EFerrari   Apr-06-09 08:40 PM   #23 
   No, this is a failed attempt at advocacy. n/t  Junkdrawer   Apr-06-09 08:42 PM   #27 
   Does anyone have a 40 foot ladder I can borrow?  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 08:52 PM   #38 
   Having used them ......  cdsilv   Apr-06-09 09:05 PM   #47 
      Loan sharking is still loan sharking...  ddeclue   Apr-06-09 09:10 PM   #53 
      Just because I had to hock my class ring doesn't mean it isn't USURY.  EFerrari   Apr-06-09 09:11 PM   #54 
   CROOKS - All of them. 11% on 2 weeks is still NUTS  Ioo   Apr-06-09 08:57 PM   #42 
   What's maddening is how complainers needlessly exaggerate the matter into a caricature...  BlooInBloo   Apr-06-09 09:00 PM   #43 
   Your facts are factually WRONG.  Political Heretic   Apr-06-09 09:05 PM   #49 
   No, they aren't.  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 11:25 PM   #93 
   You dont have the $200 for a fuel pump this week, and by next week you won't either  SoCalDem   Apr-06-09 09:05 PM   #50 
   DING DING DING.  Statistical   Apr-06-09 10:11 PM   #78 
   I'm still not aroused. Can you read your post in a "sexy voice"?  Blue-Jay   Apr-06-09 09:06 PM   #51 
   Not even a little?  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 09:13 PM   #55 
   OK, so NOW do you guys see why Truth In Lending laws were needed?  Junkdrawer   Apr-06-09 09:25 PM   #58 
   How much do you borrow? How much do you pay back?  BlooInBloo   Apr-06-09 09:33 PM   #60 
      So I get a full year to make the check good?  Junkdrawer   Apr-06-09 09:38 PM   #64 
         Is that the deal you sign? Specify the parameters of the deal - don't be cute...  BlooInBloo   Apr-06-09 09:41 PM   #68 
            Oh, so I'm paying $23.08 to use $200 for TWO WEEKS? Gosh...that's 300% APR....  Junkdrawer   Apr-06-09 09:48 PM   #69 
               Do you know what the *century* percentage rate of that is? The millenial?  BlooInBloo   Apr-06-09 09:50 PM   #71 
                  I saw that in an earlier article...I really was going to post those numbers...  Junkdrawer   Apr-06-09 09:54 PM   #73 
                     Of course you were.  BlooInBloo   Apr-06-09 09:55 PM   #74 
                        Compound Interest on the "Rollovers"....  Junkdrawer   Apr-07-09 07:43 AM   #111 
   Go without beer and cigs for a month and then you'll have enough to open a checking account.  L0oniX   Apr-06-09 09:26 PM   #59 
   Many people are declined from opening checking accounts  Political Heretic   Apr-06-09 09:38 PM   #63 
   Isn't one of the rules of the loan to write a post-dated check as "security"?  flvegan   Apr-06-09 09:37 PM   #62 
   Most do and then threaten criminal charges for check fraud to keep the juice flowing. n/t  Statistical   Apr-06-09 11:39 PM   #97 
      The very act is a commission of a felony in Florida.  flvegan   Apr-07-09 12:26 AM   #105 
   Sorry, but payday loans don't provide a "needed" service  MadHound   Apr-06-09 09:41 PM   #67 
   +1 Great Post  Junkdrawer   Apr-06-09 09:51 PM   #72 
   +2  tjwash   Apr-06-09 11:19 PM   #89 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-09 09:50 PM   #70 
   The only real question should be: "Are the borrowers free to shop for a better deal?"  Egalitariat   Apr-06-09 09:58 PM   #75 
   At the risk of arousing your ire, a couple of points about "crack dealers"  Statistical   Apr-06-09 10:06 PM   #77 
   Oh, c'mon. You can do better than that.  MercutioATC   Apr-06-09 10:45 PM   #84 
   Your hand-waving about 11.54 percent kind of misses the point.  varkam   Apr-06-09 10:19 PM   #81 
   I'd love to see ALL of them closed down  donheld   Apr-07-09 12:02 AM   #100 
   Payday loans are made by bloodsucking weasels.  baldguy   Apr-07-09 12:25 AM   #104 
   To the loudest screamers.  TheMadMonk   Apr-07-09 02:33 AM   #106 
   So if you convert APR into an unfamiliar unit of measure, people have a hard time comparing rates?  Romulox   Apr-07-09 07:45 AM   #112 
      Par for the course for the OP. n/t  Junkdrawer   Apr-08-09 09:56 AM   #114 
 

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