hfojvt
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Mon Apr-06-09 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #14 |
| 41. how much of the payday loan business is built on repeat customers? |
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You make is sound like somebody only gets one of those loans once every five years or something, but that's ridiculous. Many of the people I know who run behind on their money are always running behind. They get paid on Friday and have no money left by Monday, and they do that every payday.
People who get monthly checks are the worst, especially if they are on mental disability. Here we are asking somebody to plan their expenses for a whole month on a fairly small check. Not only that, but the person we are asking to do that has a mental disability. They run out of money by the 15th. Same with poor people living on social security.
You know what really contributes to their problems? Payday loans.
Here's how it works. Get a check for $600 on the 1st of the month (or the 3rd). Run out of money by the 21st. Get a payday loan on the 25th for $200 (less a $30 fee). On the next 3rd you get another check for $600. Only this time the check is only $400 because $200 of it just went to pay off the payday loan. Guess what. If you couldn't make it through the month on $600, you ain't gonna make it on $400 either. Not to worry though, because you can get another payday loan and pay another $30 fee. Ultimately that person is living on their small income minus $360 a year in payday loan fees. It's a hole they will have a very hard time getting out of.
But no worries. It's not like they are REALLY paying 390% interest? Just 180% interest on $200 borrowed 12 times.
Do you know why I know this is a likely scenario? Because I used to have friends in this exact same situation. They borrowed money from me every month (and paid it back when they got their checks, only to borrow again two weeks later when they ran out of money again). Which is how people would get by if there were no payday loan places - with a little help from their friends. The highly profitable payday loan industry - they are not one of them. They are no friend to the poor.
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At the risk of arousing your ire, a couple of points about "payday loans". |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:10 PM |
#0 |

they might provide a needed service -- but there is nothing, nothing |
xchrom |
Apr-06-09 08:15 PM |
#1 |
 
But it's NOT 300% interest! That's the point! |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:19 PM |
#2 |

if somebody renegs on something twentyfive times in a row |
xchrom |
Apr-06-09 08:22 PM |
#4 |
 
Absolutely Agree |
GA_ArmyVet |
Apr-07-09 06:11 AM |
#108 |

No, it's 300% interest!!!! |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 08:23 PM |
#5 |
 
No. The total interest paid on thre principle is 11.54% |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:31 PM |
#13 |

Sorry, but you are simply not being honest |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 08:37 PM |
#16 |

Ok, what percentage of $200 is $23.08? It's 11.54%. How is that "dishonest"? |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:42 PM |
#28 |

Bullshit |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 08:45 PM |
#31 |

Again, what is dishonest about anything I've presented? |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:49 PM |
#35 |
 
You keep saying the interest rate paid is 11.54% |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 08:50 PM |
#36 |

That's 100% true. The interest rate paid is 11.54%. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:54 PM |
#39 |

The papers you sign say 300% |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 09:01 PM |
#44 |

You're being obtuse. End of discussion. |
Dreamer Tatum |
Apr-06-09 09:03 PM |
#46 |

Yes, 300% APR....but it's a 2-week loan. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 09:05 PM |
#48 |

The interest rate, whichever way you slice it - is outrageous |
Political Heretic |
Apr-06-09 09:36 PM |
#61 |

So what rate would you deem acceptable? |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 09:39 PM |
#65 |

Multiple states have figured out something much more reasonable |
Political Heretic |
Apr-06-09 10:17 PM |
#80 |

So do you have a suggested interest rate? |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 10:35 PM |
#82 |

Even 36%.... |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 11:11 PM |
#86 |

36% APR? So on a $200 loan for 2 weeks, what would I be paying back? |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-06-09 11:14 PM |
#87 |

As referenced in the doc I linked less than 1% payback payday loan in 2 weeks |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 11:22 PM |
#91 |

Ah. Just refuse to answer the question. So be it. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-06-09 11:24 PM |
#92 |

So transparent.... |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 11:34 PM |
#94 |

he answered it quite clearly. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-06-09 11:36 PM |
#95 |

No, he didn't...he evaded by attempting to raise a separate issue. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-07-09 12:15 AM |
#102 |

but the loan contracts specify that they are to be paid in 2 weeks, |
Lance_Boyle |
Apr-08-09 10:13 AM |
#115 |

$202.38 |
muriel_volestrangler |
Apr-07-09 05:11 AM |
#107 |

Ok...let's see how "honest" you are.... |
MercutioATC |
Apr-07-09 12:21 AM |
#103 |

Yes it is. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 09:39 PM |
#66 |

Next you'll be trying to sell the idea that PI should be an even 3.0 to make it easier. |
TahitiNut |
Apr-06-09 10:01 PM |
#76 |

I think every fucking one fo them should be shut down |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 08:21 PM |
#3 |
 
Ok, would you care to suggest an alternative? |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:24 PM |
#7 |

Yes |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 08:27 PM |
#11 |

If you honor the terms of the agreement, you pay interest of 11.54% of the principal. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:38 PM |
#19 |
 
Your bullshit interest rate is just that, bullshit. n/t |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 08:39 PM |
#21 |
  
so according to you...everyone who pays their credit cards off every month...are paying interest? |
angstlessk |
Apr-06-09 09:22 PM |
#57 |
  
he's talking interest paid, not interest rate |
Lance_Boyle |
Apr-08-09 10:18 AM |
#116 |
 
Thats the whole point.. |
GA_ArmyVet |
Apr-07-09 06:22 AM |
#109 |

Before payday loan stores, there were those who would make risky, unsecured short-term loans |
Freddie Stubbs |
Apr-08-09 10:29 AM |
#117 |

Ire? |
ColbertWatcher |
Apr-06-09 08:23 PM |
#6 |
 
Thanks. Saved me a whole bunch of typing... |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-06-09 08:27 PM |
#12 |

You're welcome. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Apr-06-09 08:40 PM |
#25 |

Its like low-balling someone on a house or car they may be trying to sell |
NNN0LHI |
Apr-06-09 08:26 PM |
#8 |
 
The risk to benefit measurement must apply however. |
Liberal Veteran |
Apr-06-09 08:37 PM |
#15 |

Another point to consider: |
Arkansas Granny |
Apr-06-09 08:26 PM |
#9 |

I know I went to school in the Stone Age, but "interest" back then always meant |
Sal Minella |
Apr-06-09 08:26 PM |
#10 |
 
So what? "Annual interest rate" doesn't have any real bearing on 2-week loans. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:35 PM |
#14 |
  
The papers you sign have to list the real interest rate |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 08:38 PM |
#18 |
   
Yes, they're legally obligated to calculate an APR. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:39 PM |
#22 |
  
Then your credit card only charges 0.75% interest |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 08:40 PM |
#24 |
  
If you contractually had to pay your entire balance every month, that would be true. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:45 PM |
#30 |
  
PAyday loan stores are the lowest scum of the earth |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 08:47 PM |
#33 |
  
Emotional response, but you haven't yet refuted anything I've stated. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:51 PM |
#37 |
  
Peple who advocate for scum of the earth |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 09:02 PM |
#45 |
  
I stated two facts in the OP. I'm not advocating for anybody. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 09:09 PM |
#52 |
  
What about a loan shark that charge 3% interest per day. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 10:14 PM |
#79 |
  
If the term of the loan was one day, absolutely. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 10:38 PM |
#83 |
  
Except for the majority of payday loan consumers.... |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 11:02 PM |
#85 |
  
And, again, how is the fault of the lender or the practice? |
MercutioATC |
Apr-07-09 12:00 AM |
#99 |
  
Once again..... THE LENDER KNOW THIS |
Statistical |
Apr-07-09 08:21 AM |
#113 |
  
The actual interest rate is 300% no matter how you want to slice it and dice it. |
Sal Minella |
Apr-06-09 08:42 PM |
#29 |
   
The actual ANNUAL interest rate might be 300%, but the interest actually PAID is 11.54% |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 08:46 PM |
#32 |
  
No, the interest rate PAID is 300% |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 08:47 PM |
#34 |
   
How much did you borrow? How much did you pay back? |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-06-09 09:16 PM |
#56 |
  
The interest PAID is 11.54% of amount borrowed. The interest RATE is 300%. |
Sal Minella |
Apr-06-09 08:56 PM |
#40 |
  
The interest RATE is 11.54 for the term of the loan. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 11:18 PM |
#88 |
  
Wrong. You may have yourself convinced of this (which I doubt) |
Sal Minella |
Apr-06-09 11:58 PM |
#98 |
  
If the stated unit is "Per Quart", then the price is per quart. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-07-09 12:08 AM |
#101 |
  
how much of the payday loan business is built on repeat customers? |
hfojvt |
Apr-06-09 08:56 PM |
#41 |
 
So who is really abusing the system? |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 11:20 PM |
#90 |
 
99% of payday loan revnue is repeat customers |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 11:38 PM |
#96 |
 
When I did my Re-finance this year on my house |
GA_ArmyVet |
Apr-07-09 06:27 AM |
#110 |

I don't know where you got your interest rates from but as I said |
walldude |
Apr-06-09 08:37 PM |
#17 |
 
The OP is being less than honest n/t |
WeDidIt |
Apr-06-09 08:39 PM |
#20 |
 
And I just saw a report on Amy's show that here in CA, |
EFerrari |
Apr-06-09 08:42 PM |
#26 |

This is a joke, right? ETA: Link to Amy's report: |
EFerrari |
Apr-06-09 08:40 PM |
#23 |
 
No, this is a failed attempt at advocacy. n/t |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-06-09 08:42 PM |
#27 |

Does anyone have a 40 foot ladder I can borrow? |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 08:52 PM |
#38 |
 
Having used them ...... |
cdsilv |
Apr-06-09 09:05 PM |
#47 |

Loan sharking is still loan sharking... |
ddeclue |
Apr-06-09 09:10 PM |
#53 |

Just because I had to hock my class ring doesn't mean it isn't USURY. |
EFerrari |
Apr-06-09 09:11 PM |
#54 |

CROOKS - All of them. 11% on 2 weeks is still NUTS |
Ioo |
Apr-06-09 08:57 PM |
#42 |

What's maddening is how complainers needlessly exaggerate the matter into a caricature... |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-06-09 09:00 PM |
#43 |

Your facts are factually WRONG. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-06-09 09:05 PM |
#49 |
 
No, they aren't. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 11:25 PM |
#93 |

You dont have the $200 for a fuel pump this week, and by next week you won't either |
SoCalDem |
Apr-06-09 09:05 PM |
#50 |
 
DING DING DING. |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 10:11 PM |
#78 |

I'm still not aroused. Can you read your post in a "sexy voice"? |
Blue-Jay |
Apr-06-09 09:06 PM |
#51 |
 
Not even a little? |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 09:13 PM |
#55 |

OK, so NOW do you guys see why Truth In Lending laws were needed? |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-06-09 09:25 PM |
#58 |
 
How much do you borrow? How much do you pay back? |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-06-09 09:33 PM |
#60 |

So I get a full year to make the check good? |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-06-09 09:38 PM |
#64 |

Is that the deal you sign? Specify the parameters of the deal - don't be cute... |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-06-09 09:41 PM |
#68 |

Oh, so I'm paying $23.08 to use $200 for TWO WEEKS? Gosh...that's 300% APR.... |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-06-09 09:48 PM |
#69 |

Do you know what the *century* percentage rate of that is? The millenial? |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-06-09 09:50 PM |
#71 |

I saw that in an earlier article...I really was going to post those numbers... |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-06-09 09:54 PM |
#73 |

Of course you were. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-06-09 09:55 PM |
#74 |

Compound Interest on the "Rollovers".... |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-07-09 07:43 AM |
#111 |

Go without beer and cigs for a month and then you'll have enough to open a checking account. |
L0oniX |
Apr-06-09 09:26 PM |
#59 |
 
Many people are declined from opening checking accounts |
Political Heretic |
Apr-06-09 09:38 PM |
#63 |

Isn't one of the rules of the loan to write a post-dated check as "security"? |
flvegan |
Apr-06-09 09:37 PM |
#62 |
 
Most do and then threaten criminal charges for check fraud to keep the juice flowing. n/t |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 11:39 PM |
#97 |

The very act is a commission of a felony in Florida. |
flvegan |
Apr-07-09 12:26 AM |
#105 |

Sorry, but payday loans don't provide a "needed" service |
MadHound |
Apr-06-09 09:41 PM |
#67 |
 
+1 Great Post |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-06-09 09:51 PM |
#72 |
 
+2 |
tjwash |
Apr-06-09 11:19 PM |
#89 |

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Name removed |
Apr-06-09 09:50 PM |
#70 |

The only real question should be: "Are the borrowers free to shop for a better deal?" |
Egalitariat |
Apr-06-09 09:58 PM |
#75 |

At the risk of arousing your ire, a couple of points about "crack dealers" |
Statistical |
Apr-06-09 10:06 PM |
#77 |
 
Oh, c'mon. You can do better than that. |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-09 10:45 PM |
#84 |

Your hand-waving about 11.54 percent kind of misses the point. |
varkam |
Apr-06-09 10:19 PM |
#81 |

I'd love to see ALL of them closed down |
donheld |
Apr-07-09 12:02 AM |
#100 |

Payday loans are made by bloodsucking weasels. |
baldguy |
Apr-07-09 12:25 AM |
#104 |

To the loudest screamers. |
TheMadMonk |
Apr-07-09 02:33 AM |
#106 |

So if you convert APR into an unfamiliar unit of measure, people have a hard time comparing rates? |
Romulox |
Apr-07-09 07:45 AM |
#112 |

Par for the course for the OP. n/t |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-08-09 09:56 AM |
#114 |